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View Poll Results: What Is Your Main Speaker Configuration?
Soundbar 4 0.27%
Soundbar w/subwoofer 19 1.28%
2.0 31 2.10%
2.1 32 2.16%
3.1 47 3.18%
4.1 20 1.35%
5.1 622 42.06%
6.1 31 2.10%
7.1 530 35.84%
9.1 77 5.21%
11.1 26 1.76%
More than 11.1 40 2.70%
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post #31 of 259 Old 05-01-2014, 11:54 PM
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I'm set up for 14.3 channels:

 

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All Martin Logan

 

Front Ctr     Theater    (600w bridged)           
Front R/L     Request   (2x200w Bi-amp)                                                                     
Wide R/L     Aerius      (2x200w Bi-amp) 
Height R/L   Script      (200w)
Side R/L      Clarity     (200w)
Rear R/L      Script      (200w
Rear Ctr       Cinema   (200w)
Ceiling R/L   SLM XL   (200w)     

 

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Front           Danley DTS-10
Rear R/L      Energy EPS-150*
                    *(changing to 2x Marty/UXL-18
                      with iNuke DSP-6000)    
 
Processor     

 

Marantz AV 8801        (11.2)
SMART 3CX               (Rear Ctr)
SMART 3CX               (Ceiling R/L)
Behringer DSP 1124    (DTS-10)
 
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7 Adcom GFA 555II
1 Adcom GFA 555I
1 Adcom GFA 5503
1 QSC 4050HD
 
7 Dedicated 20 amp circuits
(2-subs, 5-amps, 1-source/video)
 

 

 

Even before there was surround sound I wanted more than 2 speakers. Back in the 1970's I had a pair of Quad electrostats with a DBX 3BX delay module, two Marantz integrated amps and four DCM Time Windows for a 6 channel surround system. Later on when home theater started in earnest with Dolby 5.1 I had a Lexicon CP-1 processor. Then I moved up to 7.1 channels with a Lexicon MC-1. I got my first SMART 3CX to add a center rear channel when Dolby changed from 6.1 Digital EX to 7.1 Dolby Surround. The Lexicon got replaced with an Onkyo 5509 processor with 9.1 channels (height or width) and the DSP-1124 to manage a Danley DTS-10 kit that I built. Finally I changed to the Marantz AV 8801 which had 13 discreet channels to accommodate both height and width channels plus 2 subs for 12.2 with the 3CX. 

 

The evolution in processors from 2.0 Dolby Stereo in 1975 to Audyssey DSX 11.1 (and now 13.1 with Datasat adding Auro 3D height channels to their next processor) over the years has always been to keep up with the movie experience available at the local commercial cinema. Many theaters are now transitioning to Dolby's Atmos or Barco's Auro 11.1 surround sound systems. Although they differ in implementation, one thing they share in common is the addition of what the Dolby and Barco engineers are calling the "VOG"  (voice of God) channels directly above the listener,  These are different from the front height channels that are mainly for localizing sound across the height of the front sound stage,  

 

The rows of ceiling speakers installed in cineplexes are the VOG channels that allow panned sounds to transition across the room in a much more cohesive and immersive manner. The next practical evolution is going to a 13+ codex to add the VOG channels on the ceiling. Some are planning just 2 additional R/L speakers above the listener. Still others are talking about multiple "height" channels (on the wall above the surround speakers). 

 

Each time I added channels things sounded better, the sound field was more enveloping, and the immersion in the movie was greatly enhanced.  We have an Arclight  theater near us with the Dolby Atmos system. The sound is spectacular and it's the only commercial theater we attend. When our theater area was remodeled they installed 1" conduit to all the surround channels including junction boxes in the ceiling for speakers directly above the listening position. I recently found another SMART 3CX and got a pair of Martin Logan Motion SLM XL's which I'm making a ceiling bracket for to add the overhead channels for the next evolution of immersive AV formats that are on the horizon. In the mean time the 3CX will create phantom ceiling channels until the real thing comes along.

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Here are some pictures; (This was before the DTS-10):

 

 

The Danley DTS-10 will be corner loaded front left

Rear wall: Side R/L: ML Clarity Rear R/L: ML Scripts Rear Ctr: ML Theater-i (SMART DSP for phantom center channel)

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I have an 11.4

1 X Onkyo TX NR5010 for the 9.4
1 Pioneer runnnig the additional front wide speakers 2.
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I tried 9 channel the other day with my Denon x4000 and it sounded bloody awful, like one of those crappy dsp modes. For me straight up 5.1 with bookshelf speakers on the back wall for surrounds is still the best, it creates the cleanest and most coherent multi channel sound in my opinion.
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I voted 11.1, but actually I'm 11.3.
With appropriate PDCA, Plan-Do-Check-Act, including acoustic analysis and treatments, 11.3 can truly be a enveloping experience.
Here's a thread in the HT Construction forum, "Moving past 7.1 into 9.1/11.x/3D ObjectAudio in HT via AudysseyDSX/DolbyPLIIz/DTS Neo:X™/Auro-3D"
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1435778/moving-past-7-1-into-9-1-11-x-3d-objectaudio-in-ht-via-audysseydsx-dolbypliiz-dts-neo-x-auro-3d
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[edit March-15-2014, added Auro-3D to title, as I'll be doing this in future..Dolby Atmos/DTS-UHD™ have not made clear their Home Theater strategy - yet]
I'm sure many here have built their Dedicated Home Theater to 7.1 (or 5.1) surround sound, did nice job pre-routing the speaker wire's in wall for integrated look, and lived with it for a few years.

And now with Audyssey DSX and its competition Dolby Pro Logic IIz / DTS Neo:X™ in the market for a few years, some of you are like me and considering "upgrade" time.

Audyssey visual:
dsx_480x335.jpg

This visual from my Denon 4520CI manual, makes it easier to grasp all the 7.1/9.1/11.1 speaker layout.
11.x%2520speaker%2520layout%2520via%2520Denon%2520Manual.JPG

Here is the DTS Neo:X™ visual:
DTS_NeoX_.JPG

Here is the Auro-3D visual:
http://www.auro-3d.com/system/concept/
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Top Layer : Situated directly above the listener. Enhances the realism of fly-over effects by creating a bridge with the Height Layer. This combination produces an enveloping sphere or 'cocoon of sound' around the listener.
Height Layer (40° above the Lower Layer): The most important layer in the creation of immersive sound AROUND the listener. The capturing of ambient reflections in this layer allows Auro-3D® to deliver a more natural sound & improve sound source localization.
Lower Layer (0°-20°): 2D horizontal plane where ear-level source sounds are located.
Home Theater (small rooms); Auro 10.1 (+ Top Ceiling / VOG)
Quote:
100% compatibility between all Auro-3D® listening formats have a Height Channel above and around the listener, which is crucial to a fully immersive experience.
This is unattainable with only a Top Layer.


Therefore this thread is for those that have already upgraded to Audyssey DSX or Dolby PL IIz / DTS Neo:X™, or plan to upgrade, and to post what they did or will do;
-decision methods used to determine which route to take; "wide" or "height" or both.
-hiding new un-planned speaker cables; I'm guessing most will not route thru walls rather try and hide them "creatively", so I'd like to see that
-hanging un-planned speakers; brackets used DIY vs already made ones
-While not focusing on the New AVR planning and buying phase, if also decision on Ext amp then location and integration of that into your already planned rack/media area
-Acoustic treatment considerations
-etc

and.....frank assessment of that...simply was it "worth it" :
-did the "experience" improve in your viewpoint, also your wife/sig/kids viewpoint

My HT, done in 2008, has 7.1 via Denon 4308CI, and now I'm shortly buying the new Denon 4520CI and going at least 9.1, possibly 11.1


There are threads on DSX and PL IIz / DTS Neo:X™ in the "Receivers, AMPs, and Processors forum" , so I don't want to duplicate those, rather add to them from the construction viewpoint then impressions captured also.
[edit 10/30/2012]
I'll be posting my DSX questions in the "Official" Audyssey thread, http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/57240#post_22539710
[edit 11/25/2012]
Denon 4520CI owners manual speaker layout visual added, info on DTS Neo:X added

[edit Nov-8-2013] added final room picture
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and final room layout
HT%2520Plan%25202x4%2520Seats-Riser-acoustics%2520Nov-2013_subs.jpg
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I can't justify adding more speakers to my room (heights would be the only option anyway) until they actually start mixing soundtracks with those channels. Right now all the extra channels are derived from the existing ones and I'm just not really into that whole idea of processing and changing the original track. My friend has 7.1 with height channels because he has no room for surround backs and he loves it but I wasn't overly impressed. Maybe because his system isn't the absolute best, I don't know. It took me a few weeks to really appreciate my SB's when I got them until I tweaked them (MCACC had them practically inaudible) and found movies that really make good use of them.
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5.1 for me
2 Focal 1027 Be's
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It works good in my very small room.

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Well, speakerwise it could scale to 19.6. Given it's only powered to subwoofers with two amps, we're down to 19.2. VoiceOfGod is four speakers, so down to 16.2. Side surrounds are three per side, thus 12.2. Therefore "more than 11.1". But with plenty of opportunity to ho above 12.2 as soon as object based drops into the home segment.

It's currently dismantled for rebuild, so it that doesn't count, the currently largest system running is 7.1 using 15 speakers ("11.4").

But my main music system is 2.2 with 8 subwoofers, at least until biggest system is back in order...

(And, if you wonder, yes - I do have three separate systems)

Under construction: the Larch theater
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Sweet im the only one running 4.1
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11.1 was my vote, but I am actually 11.2 in my theater.
5.1 in my living room
3.1 in my office.

MY THEATER......The Thompson Theater 11.9 channels

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9.1, with 8 & 9 set up as front height.

I'm constantly amazed at what a huge (though subtle) difference the front height channels make, especially after watching something on the 5.1 setup in my projector room.

I'm running a full Def Tech setup, with powered subs in the mains and center, so technically not a "9.3" configuration, but still... Plus everything except the center is bipolar, so the sound field is incredibly wide and immersive. Even after almost 5 years of running this setup I still get a kick out of how great it sounds (to my relatively unsophisticated ears).
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5.1 for now, but will be running 24.8 when I get my theater room set up.

Boom
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I am set up for 11.4, but running 9.3. I don't care for FH, and have a giant sub in the back which is plenty of clean, smooth bass.

Fronts: Goldenear Triton II's
Center: Goldenear SCXL
Front Heights: Mirage Nanosat Prestige
Front Wides: Mirage OS1
Surrounds: Mirage OS1
Surround Backs: Monoprice 4102 in ceiling speakers
Subs: 2 in Goldenear Triton II's (1200 watt) and Power Sound Audio XS30.
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5.1 here, with duals subs coming through. I have additional bookshelves ready waiting for a decision to be made , too... 7.2 soon or 5.2 with heights... Can't decide yet!!!

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7.1 for now but will rip out everything and start fresh with 16.1 to 20.1 for Atmos if/when it comes out for home use.
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5.1, with the LFE split between two 15" subs.....
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Right now I'm using 7.3 but I'm set up to include 5 Height channels when the dust settles on the Pre-Pro options and I make a purchase next year.
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7.1, running front highs instead of rear surrounds because of the small size of my room, rear surrounds would be about 8 inches away from the listeners in the back row if. Front highs make a big difference to me, they give a much "fuller" sound.
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5.1 channel processing.

That's the closest option to what I have, but actually it's presently only a 5.0 discrete channel setup.

My fronts are FR (or maybe I should say were considered to be FR when new). Originally reached down to only 35hz (-2db) which shows their age with today's modern movies so I added a sub (in series) to each front channel. Now, with the added two subs to the mix, each front channel can now reach down to 22 hz. I am planning to add a .1 sub at some point to reach down even lower but I'm not in any hurry.

Although I have purchased the additional speakers for a 7.0 setup, I have yet to place and hook them up. I'm getting close to 100 Blu-rays now and would be surprised if I have more than a half-dozen movies that have 7.1 discrete native channels.


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I should note that I also have front wides as well. But the signal that is feeding them is not processor based for wide fronts, it's just the identical signal that feeds the two front channels and I must say that the increased width of the front sound stage is pretty awesome for both music and movies, *notwithstanding* timing and other acoustic *errors*. I'm also experimenting with additional speaker placements to create a more 3 Dimensional sound stage, but still only with 5.0 discrete channel signaling.
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same situation here, heights are tempting =D

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Just installed height speakers for 9.2 and love it!! All Golden Ear speakers!! Hope to update my pictures this weekend.



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...Anyway, in our little room, with a 7.1 AVR, I'm thinking seriously about going back to 5.1 surround...
...it feels like I could get away with inching the surrounds towards the back a little more and eliminating the rears...



*You absolutely can inch the surrounds toward the back!*

I have mine back at around the 45 degree point to the listening position and up pretty high. A 5.1 channel disc sounds *wonderful* with this kind of setup. It's a deviation from what is *recommended* but IMHO, a superior surround experience. Also, when I do add the additional rear speakers for a native 7.1 configuration, I plan to only go about 20 degrees from each side of center rear.
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soon to be 7.1.

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7.1, but with heights instead of rears, bipolar sides, and I split the .1 into 2 channels delayed separately with DSP powering 4 separate subs. So what's that? 7.1-2-4
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11.2 in mine.

I might not have the optimal room size for it (see sig link), but I could definitely tell every time I added something. I've gone through every iteration of sound - mono, stereo, Dolby Pro Logic, and then DD5.1 for the majority of the time. 5 years ago I bumped it up to 7.1 with rear surrounds and could definitely tell the difference. A couple months ago I upgraded my AVR to one that directly supported 9.2, so I opted to go with height speakers. Wow. For me, that difference was huge. Then I found a final two matching speakers to my other surrounds and did the wide upgrade (plus secondary amp) to 11.1. And then I found a matching sub and bought it too. NOW I'm finally done. For now. A bit overkilll, but whatever. biggrin.gif
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same situation here, heights are tempting =D

Do it! Join the Wall Of Sound Club!
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I voted "More than 11.1". I'm 11.2 with the av8801 using 2 independent sub channels. Speakers are Paradigm except the 4 surrounds (Sonance). Subs are passive DIY (4 18" and 4 15") powered by Crown XLS. Gloriously fun.

Clearly, I'm a man of action - just give me a few minutes to think about it.
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I do 5.1 with my front speakers bi-amped- Pass on 7.1. I listen to lots of multi channel music anyway that's 5.1.
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I'm running an 11.4.So far according to the poll iI'm the only one running a setup like this out of 65 people. eek.gif

Adding wides didn't seem to help as much as running heights. But I think if I were to take away the wides then I'd realize what I'd be missing.

I could never go back to anything less than 11 speakers.

Ditto. Seaton 12's for LCR, JTR S8's for wides and Heights, Insignia 6.5's (great bang for few bucks) for sides and backs, 4 submersives. I'm in Seaton heaven.
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7.2

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