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Old 06-07-2014, 10:12 AM
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Awesome theater. I liked that it isn't a dark dungeon like mine in the basement. Scares the kids a bit so I usually get first dibs...

I'd really really like to hear the full range jtr's!

Thanks, the dungeon effect was something that I wanted to avoid and although that does at times compromise the video quality, it is a good tradeoff IMHO. This is especially true when listening to music which I am doing much more frequently with the new full range speakers. Natural light is important to me. smile.gif
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" 20-foot-high family room that he divided vertically by installing a ceiling"
Vertically ? or horizontally ??

All of those changes within 2 months- wow! Seems like it must have been .. install it. listen for a day - nope I don't like it, swap it...
Envious of the final product but not of the process: I would have gone nuts!
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" 20-foot-high family room that he divided vertically by installing a ceiling"
Vertically ? or horizontally ??

All of those changes within 2 months- wow! Seems like it must have been .. install it. listen for a day - nope I don't like it, swap it...
Envious of the final product but not of the process: I would have gone nuts!

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I halved the 19.5' X 22' X 20' (WDH) family room height wise creating a new space out of the top half of the room. The new ceiling/floor is as you might expect, a horizontal structure.

The changes of hardware happened over several years. Two months for all of the speaker changes would have been a very aggressive timeline even for me ... tongue.gif

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" 20-foot-high family room that he divided vertically by installing a ceiling"
Vertically ? or horizontally ??

All of those changes within 2 months- wow! Seems like it must have been .. install it. listen for a day - nope I don't like it, swap it...
Envious of the final product but not of the process: I would have gone nuts!


He divided the 20-foot-high family room in the vertical dimension into a room below and a room above.

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Congrats on the HToM, Rob.

I attended Rob's first GTG. It was just me and him, but we had some fun. This was an unstructured comparison of his existing DD18 and the F-113 he was considering. We did this in the two-story family room before it was divided for the upstairs HT. I attended two more GTGs, the first was a shootout between KWEEZER's dual PB13Us and Rob's dual F-113s. This was done in his new upstairs HT which meant the Ultras had to be manhandled up the steps. No easy task. I don't remember his equipment at the third GTG, but I think it was the THSPUDS with the BIG beanbag on top.

If you have an opportunity to attend one of Rob's GTGs, don't miss it. Rob is a gracious host even if his refreshments consist only of cheap beer and stale crackers. (wink wink)


Well, all the best to you Rob. It was a pleasure knowing you. Now that I live on the east coast and own my own business, I probably will never get back to Sac. So here's hoping you find your AV nirvana.

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Hey Randy, great to hear from you ...

Yes, that was my first invite of an AVS'er into my home to play with subwoofers. You almost succeeded in making me never want to do it again ...

Good that you are are still in the AV game and if you do ever make it back out this way, I've always got cheap beer in the fridge and stale crackers in the pantry.


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I attended Rob's first GTG. It was just me and him, but we had some fun. This was an unstructured comparison of his existing DD18 and the F-113 he was considering. We did this in the two-story family room before it was divided for the upstairs HT. I attended two more GTGs, the first was a shootout between KWEEZER's dual PB13Us and Rob's dual F-113s. This was done in his new upstairs HT which meant the Ultras had to be manhandled up the steps. No easy task. I don't remember his equipment at the third GTG, but I think it was the THSPUDS with the BIG beanbag on top.

If you have an opportunity to attend one of Rob's GTGs, don't miss it. Rob is a gracious host even if his refreshments consist only of cheap beer and stale crackers. (wink wink)


Well, all the best to you Rob. It was a pleasure knowing you. Now that I live on the east coast and own my own business, I probably will never get back to Sac. So here's hoping you find your AV nirvana.

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From parts express...

What's the difference between a woofer and a subwoofer?

"These terms have become almost interchangeable, and there is definitely a gray area between the two. The difference can be in the woofer itself, or how the woofer is being used. A raw speaker or "driver" that we call a subwoofer generally has a limited frequency response range, often not extending above about 400 Hz. A standard "woofer" can have frequency response easily reaching 2500 Hz or higher. This upper limit is a function of electrical and mechanical characteristics; often the large voice coil inductances on high-excursion subwoofers limit their high-frequency capabilities. It is a matter of compromise in the design of the woofer: trying to achieve good high frequency performance generally will cause poor low frequency and power handling abilities, while producing a powerful subwoofer with ultra-low frequency abilities and high power handling will not be able to play well at higher frequencies. However, if a wider-range woofer is used only below 80 Hz or so it could be called a subwoofer due to how it is being implemented."
Consider that the Noesis 215 has a crossover to those 15-inch drivers set at 350 Hz. Those sub/woofer drivers are right smack in the middle of the gray area, housed in an enclosure that behaves like a large low-tuned vented sub.


Ladies and gents, we have a winner ...

That is exactly why the woofers were custom built for this particular application. Jeff went through 3 iterations of driver prototype's to get the performance he wanted eg 95db sensitivity and a FR of 18hz-24khz (-3db). With room gain, these "subwoofers" play flat to approx 15hz. That is exactly the performance I was looking for in a full range speaker but could never find.
I don't think I'd use Parts Express as an end all for this discussion. They're a warehouse that sources a few drivers. Several others definitely do not agree with this statement. At 350Hz, and integrated, they're woofers.
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Nice setup, by the way.
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It's a Great looking setup. How long did it from 1.1 to Phase 5.0?
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It's a Great looking setup. How long did it from 1.1 to Phase 5.0?
Thanks, I built the room in 2005. The last major speaker change was this year so 9 years. Time flies ...

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Excellent system.

Nice that you got to experience each phase.
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Just when you think you are finished upgrading, along comes a new technology that just has to be tried. Say hello to my little friend ... Atmos.

Gone are the surround backs and added are these JBL ceiling mounted Height speakersfor a Atmos 5.1.4 setup.
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Just when you think you are finished upgrading, along comes a new technology that just has to be tried. Say hello to my little friend ... Atmos.

Gone are the surround backs and added are these JBL ceiling mounted Height speakersfor a Atmos 5.1.4 setup.
Why remove the surround backs? As good as a 5.1.4 is, a 7.1.4 is better..
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Why remove the surround backs? As good as a 5.1.4 is, a 7.1.4 is better..
I might revisit this at some point but as the system stands right now, I can't see the need. More isn't always better ...
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I might revisit this at some point but as the system stands right now, I can't see the need. More isn't always better ...
If your initial setup of 7.1 works for you, it should work for Atmos as well... because the base sountrack is 7.1 in atmos... In your setup, i believe (my opinion), it should give you a more immersive soundfield... I find going from 5.1 to 7.1 a huge improvement in my own setup... even when sitting at the back-row...

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If your initial setup of 7.1 works for you, it should work for Atmos as well... because the base sountrack is 7.1 in atmos... In your setup, i believe (my opinion), it should give you a more immersive soundfield... I find going from 5.1 to 7.1 a huge improvement in my own setup... even when sitting at the back-row...

My back row is on a 12" platform and approx 2' from the back wall. That setup is not good for SB placement at ear or slightly above level as the speakers would be right behind the heads for back row occupants. The SB's position and firing angle was fine for the front row but over the heads in the back row. That is less than ideal and honestly, I found the SB's didn't contribute much to an immersive sound field in the front row either. With many DTS and Dolby uncompressed and non-upmixed audio tracks being 5.1 they were in fact often silent.

The original high wall placement might be good for Surround Height Rear (and a 5.1.6) setup but that option is tabled until the dust settles on DTS-X etc.

Glad you like your SB's though ...
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My back row is on a 12" platform and approx 2' from the back wall. That setup is not good for SB placement at ear or slightly above level as the speakers would be right behind the heads for back row occupants. The SB's position and firing angle was fine for the front row but over the heads in the back row. That is less than ideal and honestly, I found the SB's didn't contribute much to an immersive sound field in the front row either. With many DTS and Dolby uncompressed and non-upmixed audio tracks being 5.1 they were in fact often silent.

The original high wall placement might be good for Surround Height Rear (and a 5.1.6) setup but that option is tabled until the dust settles on DTS-X etc.

Glad you like your SB's though ...
Actually my surround backs are also 1 feet from the back-seats... With the Slant 8s, they seem to do a great job..

As for tracks being 5.1, initially i had that problem.. i was wondering why my back speakers were silent.. then i turned on some upmixing on my receiver.. usually to Thx Cinema, or something else.. as long as the back speakers are upmixed, i am happy.. .now, with any content, i get the back speakers to sound as well.. what i do is set the levels of the back speakers properly and for some reason now, wherever you sit, it still sounds fantastic... (BTW: all my surrounds are just below the ceilings.. not down low).
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I find it interesting..............

Serious audio talk in this HToM thread..................................


Why not popcorn makers?
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I find it interesting..............

Serious audio talk in this HToM thread..................................


Why not popcorn makers?
Touché Cory. I apologize for off tracking of your terrific HT Thread. You have built one of the best looking, well engineered and executed rooms I have seen and it keeps getting better.

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Touché Cory. I apologize for off tracking of your terrific HT Thread. You have built one of the best looking, well engineered and executed rooms I have seen and it keeps getting better.
Why apologize? No need................................

You should run for President.......................Lord knows you probably could do a better job! You're fully of complements! Keep them coming.............

Well, I know first hand your room updating concerning audio/video are top notch!
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Beautiful theater RMK!
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Beautiful theater RMK!
Thank you, I was going for function over form and I believe I achieved that . I don't know if I mentioned this before, but everything I did in the room was structurally "temporary" so that I could easily re-purposing the room. My home is fairly large (3600sf) and although we have no plans to move, when we do decide to move on, the next owners might not like my use of the space.

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Dear Rob:

This is my first intervention in this great forum.

I met your home theater on the topic "Best in ceiling speaker for Atmos"

I congratulate you for the evolution of your systems, the quality of your equipment and follow your instinct ... is an extraordinary room !!

Although I do not own a atmos room, I agree with the need to have a ceiling speaker that comes under the 80Hz ... there is information in that range.

Thanks for sharing your experience

Congratulations !!
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Dear Rob:

This is my first intervention in this great forum.

I met your home theater on the topic "Best in ceiling speaker for Atmos"

I congratulate you for the evolution of your systems, the quality of your equipment and follow your instinct ... is an extraordinary room !!

Although I do not own a atmos room, I agree with the need to have a ceiling speaker that comes under the 80Hz ... there is information in that range.

Thanks for sharing your experience

Congratulations !!
Thank you gtorresn. The process was a bit messy but I did finally achieve what I set out to do, create an immersive IMAX like theater expierence at home. In fact, I probably achieved that goal several times over with many of the upgrades being only slight variations on a theme. After some experimentation in Audiophiledom, I was very fortunate to have been introduced to high efficiency speakers through another forum member (Fugueness). He had discovered JTR speakers and gave me my first demo.

As a result of that demo, my focus changed from audiophile to high efficiency speaker designs for my HT. I researched and contacted Jeff Permanian, Mark Seaton and their mentor Tom Danley. Tom is a true audio engineering genius and Jeff and Mark have built upon what they learned from Tom. Individually these gentlemen have significantly advanced the conversation regarding Home Theater audio.

A plethora of new companies interring into the space is validation of the concept of high efficiency speakers for Home Theater use. Those guys are truly the tip of the spear in that market segment and the evolution of their products continues to set the bar.

Thanks again for stopping by the Thread and for the comments. The system really is it's own reward.
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Thank you gtorresn. The process was a bit messy but I did finally achieve what I set out to do, create an immersive IMAX like theater expierence at home. In fact, I probably achieved that goal several times over with many of the upgrades being only slight variations on a theme. After some experimentation in Audiophiledom, I was very fortunate to have been introduced to high efficiency speakers through another forum member (Fugueness). He had discovered JTR speakers and gave me my first demo.

As a result of that demo, my focus changed from audiophile to high efficiency speaker designs for my HT. I researched and contacted Jeff Permanian, Mark Seaton and their mentor Tom Danley. Tom is a true audio engineering genius and Jeff and Mark have built upon what they learned from Tom. Individually these gentlemen have significantly advanced the conversation regarding Home Theater audio.

A plethora of new companies interring into the space is validation of the concept of high efficiency speakers for Home Theater use. Those guys are truly the tip of the spear in that market segment and the evolution of their products continues to set the bar.

Thanks again for stopping by the Thread and for the comments. The system really is it's own reward.

Thanks for answering and share your experience.

I see you've been fortunate to benefit from the experience of influential and experienced persons.

Certainly, as end users, we are reaping the fruits of this great school that generates high-end products at reasonable prices.

... Your great theater reflects


Will closely follow the speakers in your room, in my case I am closer to being an audiophile and lover of tubes ... and within my sonic Priorities include the large soundstage, and this is provided only by large and efficient speakers , like yours !!... I am very excited to build an audio-video room, rather than a theater as such ... but I believe that the creation of Dolby Atmos has created a new direction in the home theater and has me very interested.
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