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Awesome theater. I liked that it isn't a dark dungeon like mine in the basement. Scares the kids a bit so I usually get first dibs...

I'd really really like to hear the full range jtr's!

Thanks, the dungeon effect was something that I wanted to avoid and although that does at times compromise the video quality, it is a good tradeoff IMHO. This is especially true when listening to music which I am doing much more frequently with the new full range speakers. Natural light is important to me. smile.gif
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" 20-foot-high family room that he divided vertically by installing a ceiling"
Vertically ? or horizontally ??

All of those changes within 2 months- wow! Seems like it must have been .. install it. listen for a day - nope I don't like it, swap it...
Envious of the final product but not of the process: I would have gone nuts!
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" 20-foot-high family room that he divided vertically by installing a ceiling"
Vertically ? or horizontally ??

All of those changes within 2 months- wow! Seems like it must have been .. install it. listen for a day - nope I don't like it, swap it...
Envious of the final product but not of the process: I would have gone nuts!

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I halved the 19.5' X 22' X 20' (WDH) family room height wise creating a new space out of the top half of the room. The new ceiling/floor is as you might expect, a horizontal structure.

The changes of hardware happened over several years. Two months for all of the speaker changes would have been a very aggressive timeline even for me ... tongue.gif

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" 20-foot-high family room that he divided vertically by installing a ceiling"
Vertically ? or horizontally ??

All of those changes within 2 months- wow! Seems like it must have been .. install it. listen for a day - nope I don't like it, swap it...
Envious of the final product but not of the process: I would have gone nuts!


He divided the 20-foot-high family room in the vertical dimension into a room below and a room above.


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Congrats on the HToM, Rob.

I attended Rob's first GTG. It was just me and him, but we had some fun. This was an unstructured comparison of his existing DD18 and the F-113 he was considering. We did this in the two-story family room before it was divided for the upstairs HT. I attended two more GTGs, the first was a shootout between KWEEZER's dual PB13Us and Rob's dual F-113s. This was done in his new upstairs HT which meant the Ultras had to be manhandled up the steps. No easy task. I don't remember his equipment at the third GTG, but I think it was the THSPUDS with the BIG beanbag on top.

If you have an opportunity to attend one of Rob's GTGs, don't miss it. Rob is a gracious host even if his refreshments consist only of cheap beer and stale crackers. (wink wink)


Well, all the best to you Rob. It was a pleasure knowing you. Now that I live on the east coast and own my own business, I probably will never get back to Sac. So here's hoping you find your AV nirvana.

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Hey Randy, great to hear from you ...

Yes, that was my first invite of an AVS'er into my home to play with subwoofers. You almost succeeded in making me never want to do it again ...

Good that you are are still in the AV game and if you do ever make it back out this way, I've always got cheap beer in the fridge and stale crackers in the pantry.


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I attended Rob's first GTG. It was just me and him, but we had some fun. This was an unstructured comparison of his existing DD18 and the F-113 he was considering. We did this in the two-story family room before it was divided for the upstairs HT. I attended two more GTGs, the first was a shootout between KWEEZER's dual PB13Us and Rob's dual F-113s. This was done in his new upstairs HT which meant the Ultras had to be manhandled up the steps. No easy task. I don't remember his equipment at the third GTG, but I think it was the THSPUDS with the BIG beanbag on top.

If you have an opportunity to attend one of Rob's GTGs, don't miss it. Rob is a gracious host even if his refreshments consist only of cheap beer and stale crackers. (wink wink)


Well, all the best to you Rob. It was a pleasure knowing you. Now that I live on the east coast and own my own business, I probably will never get back to Sac. So here's hoping you find your AV nirvana.

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From parts express...

What's the difference between a woofer and a subwoofer?

"These terms have become almost interchangeable, and there is definitely a gray area between the two. The difference can be in the woofer itself, or how the woofer is being used. A raw speaker or "driver" that we call a subwoofer generally has a limited frequency response range, often not extending above about 400 Hz. A standard "woofer" can have frequency response easily reaching 2500 Hz or higher. This upper limit is a function of electrical and mechanical characteristics; often the large voice coil inductances on high-excursion subwoofers limit their high-frequency capabilities. It is a matter of compromise in the design of the woofer: trying to achieve good high frequency performance generally will cause poor low frequency and power handling abilities, while producing a powerful subwoofer with ultra-low frequency abilities and high power handling will not be able to play well at higher frequencies. However, if a wider-range woofer is used only below 80 Hz or so it could be called a subwoofer due to how it is being implemented."
Consider that the Noesis 215 has a crossover to those 15-inch drivers set at 350 Hz. Those sub/woofer drivers are right smack in the middle of the gray area, housed in an enclosure that behaves like a large low-tuned vented sub.


Ladies and gents, we have a winner ...

That is exactly why the woofers were custom built for this particular application. Jeff went through 3 iterations of driver prototype's to get the performance he wanted eg 95db sensitivity and a FR of 18hz-24khz (-3db). With room gain, these "subwoofers" play flat to approx 15hz. That is exactly the performance I was looking for in a full range speaker but could never find.
I don't think I'd use Parts Express as an end all for this discussion. They're a warehouse that sources a few drivers. Several others definitely do not agree with this statement. At 350Hz, and integrated, they're woofers.
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Nice setup, by the way.
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It's a Great looking setup. How long did it from 1.1 to Phase 5.0?
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It's a Great looking setup. How long did it from 1.1 to Phase 5.0?
Thanks, I built the room in 2005. The last major speaker change was this year so 9 years. Time flies ...

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