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View Poll Results: Is Your Primary Display HD or UHD/4K?
HD 759 75.67%
UHD 148 14.76%
Faux-K 19 1.89%
True 4K 77 7.68%
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post #61 of 220 Old 06-15-2015, 08:25 PM
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Just picked up a Sony 4k TV. 79". Didn't really have much choice in going 4k. 65" was too small, and nothing over that size is 1080p anymore.

Love the picture, does a stunning job of up-scaling 1080p content.
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Here's hoping yours lasts longer than mine did.
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On consumer adoption:

The first super bowl I watched in OTA HD was on a DLP that my nerdy buddy had finally negotiated an acceptable price on from the local Stereoland in... 2002.
Media providers have only recently calmed down on selling HD as a feature, and not something ubiquitous and standard.

I hope and expect that the full cycle transition between 720/1080 and 4k will be swifter than the 13 years it has been for HD. I also won't be surprised if there are still little 4k banners on the bottom corners of our screens in 2022.
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For a lot of people, the choice seems to be "stay with 1080" vs "upgrade to UHD" .. unless forced to as a result of a failure in the current set. For me, it was a voluntary upgrade and the choice was "upgrade to UHD" .. or upgrade my 1080 environment (60" Pany DLP) to something significant larger .. ie. a projector. So, it was very much a tradeoff of the benefit of much bigger at a reasonable cost (approx $2k) vs the current benefit of UHD but smaller and at a higher cost (approx $3500 .. both C$). I also briefly considered being an early adopter of a Sony 600 UHD projector but the risk of obsolescence was just too high. And as a lot of people in this thread have said, the whole UHD environment is still in too much flux with little to no content .. and this isn't likely to clear up much until at least year end .. which will be about 12 mos from when I made the decision to go 1080 Sony HW40ES on 105" screen. Over in the HW40ES thread, it seems like there are a lot of other happy people who have gone that route as well. So, my point is that staying put at 1080 doesn't mean doing nothing .. front projectors can be a terrific 'upgrade'.

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a european cable company is rolling out a 4K sports channel in august. it requires their newest setbox and a fiber internet connection. i doubt we'll see anything like that here just yet. but it doesnt mean you cant enjoy the new technology of 4k/UHD.
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3UHD, 2 1080p. Replaced 3 TVs in the last 8 months. Two of the TVs were 7-8 year old, the third was a flaky 4 year old set. All were smaller 40-47 inch 1080p replaced with larger 55-65 inch UHD. Once we got the larger TVs, we could not stop. It's like a sickness. going to be a while before the last two get replaced.
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Until there is more prevalent UHD content, I will be sticking with 1080p. Having said that, I want an OLED to replace my LED

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Panasonic UT50 50" plasma. It was the last generation of panels made by Panasonic. Overall a great picture. I'll stay with 1080p until there is an affordable UHD laser projector. My next buy will probably be within 12 months and then I'm going with a Sony or JVC 1080p projector with a 100+" Seymour AT screen(DIY). UHD is going to be great but I think we'll have to wait a long time before HDR etc. ends up in affordable projectors.
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In Australia all the current "4K" displays CANNOT handle a native 4K signal.

They can only handle an upscaled signal from a "4K capable" BDP

The reality in Australia then is that there is STILL NO 4K mainstream content available and STILL NO 4K displays.

If that is the case for the U.S. as well then why would you buy one yet??

I have seen my friends 85" display that cost him $15K used

Didn't ask me first or I would have steered him in another direction.

I have seen upscaled BD's via his OPPO 105D......... It looked OK but I aren't a fan of LCD........actually the sheer size of the screen impressed me more than the PQ!!!

Wonder what he will think when real 4K comes out, he gets a NEW player, and his display says.........Errrr What's this????

Haven't told him yet as we may still be some time away from that.
He's happy and can't return it anyway so why would I rain on his parade now??



Personally I am still extremely happy with my tiny Pioneer KRP 500M

I lost my only preferred upgrade path when Panasonic pulled the plasma pin.

What is it with these guys.......That's 2 great plasma brands down the gurgler for making stuff TOO WELL??

I know all the stories but it STILL IRKS me big time!!!!!!!!!

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Boy I feel like dummy,I got a 65 in Vizio uhdtv coming Wednesday
Hey, no worries. I'm very happy with my 1080p TV still, but if it broke or showed drastic signs of wear I'd certainly consider a Vizio M series to tide me over till OLED is more reasonably priced. Don't worry, be happy! If you try it and you're not impressed by how much better it is than what you have you may be able to return it.

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Thxs I saw the TV I ordered at best buy loved the pq,they had uhtv feed to it and it was amazing, I also asked them to play a blu-ray which was also great.a year ago I brought a cheap 60 in Sharp bad choice terrible pq had to get rid of it.
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No reason to go beyond 1080P yet

Scott, as you have pointed out many times, there are way too many factors (HDR, color gamut, gamma, frame rate) to be resolved by the industry before it makes sense to move beyond 1080P. Also, how many of the new displays have really good upscalers to make lesser source material even watchable? I saw a Sharp UHD that did a terrible job of upscaling 720P source material.

My next upgrade will be to a receiver with immersive audio. I have the ceiling speakers and I'm just waiting until the receivers get all 3 (Dolby Atmos, DTS X, Auro) capabilities before buying, so probably end of summer. Hopefully the receivers will have decent pass through of UHD source material for future proofing.

I'll stick with my Sony 1080P projector until all the UHD/4K specs get sorted out. It looks great with Blu-ray discs and does a fine job with lesser sources.

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The question is, how many AVS members have made the leap to UHD/4K relative to those who have remained at HD resolution? I'm sure it's way more than the mainstream, but how much more, I wonder? Is your primary display HD, UHD, faux-K, or true 4K?

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Just about ready to replace our 32" 1080 TV with a 60" UHD.
The projector will remain 1080p until there is at least another manufacturer, beside Sony, offering UHD projectors.
I am surprised that JVC and Epson don't yet have one out.

When I'm in my HT, I'm not even in my home.
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My next purchase will be the used Pioneer Kuro 9G (HD)
My next purchase after that will be the LG EC9300 OLED (still HD)
My next purchase after that will be the Panasonic PB2U plasma. (still HD)

UHD? After witnessing mediocre performances from the Samsung JS9000 and the JS9500, my excitement for the UHD actually WENT DOWN!
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My one and only display in my home theater setup is a 1080P Pioneer KURO PRO-111FD. I had DeWayne Davis calibrate it several years ago and I'm still very happy with the display. Whenever people see my TV for the first time, they are amazed by the picture quality. I will eventually upgrade to a bigger UHD display, but I'm in no hurry. I have never really been an early adopter. I'm interested in OLED displays and also the development of laser illuminated projectors. I just hope I can get a display in the future that still gives you the proper look of movies that were shot on film.
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Running an Epson 5025ub projector. Will upgrade to 4k when 4k projectors are actually affordable. When they're around $3k for projectors, I'll upgrade.
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Small 42in 1080p Panny as my main TV. I don't see 4k for me anytime soon. Too much other stuff I would have to upgrade. Besides, I am happy with the picture quality I have now. But I would not mind going bigger but again, not for a while.
Much the same plan, involving an aging 40in Samsung, a good 5.1 audio system and an Oppo BDP-105, which was the best decision we made. The Oppo's up conversion of our older DVD's to 1080p, is often superior looking to a more recent Blu-ray version, no doubt not of good technical quality. We're quite happy with our current system and it'll be quite a while before we look seriously at 4K.
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I have the best of both displays, a 52" Sony Bravia and a 100" screen that drops down in front of it. My projector is a JVC D-ILA with with 7.1 Paradigm speakers all around. Just got a SVS PB 2000 sub. I will upgrade tv when it goes..
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Still rockin that 1080p and probably will be for a while.
+1 All the displays in our home are full HD...being on a somewhat restrictive budget I tend to be rather selective, aiming for "the most bang for the buck". Imho UHD/4K just isn't there yet.

Besides, full HD is still a beast as far as I'm concerned
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I still have a decent Panasonic Plasma (58S1) that's doesn't ever seem like it's going to fail. Bought it used with 4k hours on it and that was 6 years ago or so! I am a bit torn in what I want. Would love to get a 70 or 80" tv but the only thing even remotely affordable (or in my price range....well kinda) are the Vizio sets. Then again I'd like my next set to be 4K HDR. Prices for TV's in Canada is really high compared to the US so who knows what I'm going to do. There is a good chance I'll break down and get the bigger TV first and wait for 4K to become affordable.

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My next upgrade will be to a receiver with immersive audio. I have the ceiling speakers and I'm just waiting until the receivers get all 3 (Dolby Atmos, DTS X, Auro) capabilities before buying, so probably end of summer. Hopefully the receivers will have decent pass through of UHD source material for future proofing.
Because I will definitely not downgrade from a projection to a flat screen, all the UHD advantages have little significance for me, unless an affordable projector becomes available.

But if the Japanese 3D Blu-ray of Enchanted Kingdom is any indication, I'll happily adopt a UHD Blu-ray player. Mastered in 4K the FullHD Blu-ray features scenes I couldn't believe. There's a scene with hundreds of flamingos at this lake and almost every single one looked much sharper and defined compared to what I'm used getting from FullHD Blu-rays. Down-conversion looks like a viable option to me.

(and it's in 3D which I'll most likely not get from any upcoming UHD Blu-ray )

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By looking at the poll it looks as though HD is still the ruler by a significant number with alot of us and if this poll was done outside of AVS you can bet the number would be even higher. Can you imagin what the manufacturer's would be thinking right now if they saw this poll? They wouldnt be happy I believe. That being said. The only way I will consider going 4K is by a full fledged projection system. For me nothing else will do. So until that day comes I will happily stick with what I have. I'm also keeping my eye on OLED for the future as well. This poll has surprised me a little however. I thought for sure HD and UHD would be neck and neck especially here on AVS. I was wrong.
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By looking at the poll it looks as though HD is still the ruler by a significant number with alot of us and if this poll was done outside of AVS you can bet the number would be even higher. Can you imagin what the manufacturer's would be thinking right now if they saw this poll? They wouldnt be happy I believe. That being said. The only way I will consider going 4K is by a full fledged projection system. For me nothing else will do. So until that day comes I will happily stick with what I have. I'm also keeping my eye on OLED for the future as well. This poll has surprised me a little however. I thought for sure HD and UHD would be neck and neck especially here on AVS. I was wrong.
over 12% of all people here "replaced" there FHD screen for UHD screen in the last 2 years. that's a lot. don't forget the higher pixel count is questionableon below 80 zoll screens and the rest of the UHD spec isn't doable with most of these screens too and if only very limited.
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What is it with these guys.......That's 2 great plasma brands down the gurgler for making stuff TOO WELL??

I know all the stories but it STILL IRKS me big time!!!!!!!!!

I doubt Pioneer's "Red Tint-orama" is an example of making things too well. Check out the last few pages of the "Kuro Red Tint" thread: practically every Kuro that people are buying used now has an unwatchable red tint over its blacks, which Pioneer has refused to fix even when the sets were still under warranty. One guy took them to court in Canada and won. Kuro is the biggest con in the history of the tv industry.

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I doubt Pioneer's "Red Tint-orama" is an example of making things too well. Check out the last few pages of the "Kuro Red Tint" thread: practically every Kuro that people are buying used now has an unwatchable red tint over its blacks, which Pioneer has refused to fix even when the sets were still under warranty. One guy took them to court in Canada and won. Kuro is the biggest con in the history of the tv industry.
Not all Kuros have this problem. My blacks on my KURO are fine. As I stated previously, people who see my TV are amazed by the picture quality. KUROs are high quality displays. Most of the displays out there now look poorly made by comparison.
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I doubt Pioneer's "Red Tint-orama" is an example of making things too well. Check out the last few pages of the "Kuro Red Tint" thread: practically every Kuro that people are buying used now has an unwatchable red tint over its blacks, which Pioneer has refused to fix even when the sets were still under warranty. One guy took them to court in Canada and won. Kuro is the biggest con in the history of the tv industry.

Kuro is the biggest con in the history of tv industry? I guess thats why they were the best plasma sets ever made. The biggest cons of the tv industry are Vizio in my opinion.
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I doubt Pioneer's "Red Tint-orama" is an example of making things too well. Check out the last few pages of the "Kuro Red Tint" thread: practically every Kuro that people are buying used now has an unwatchable red tint over its blacks, which Pioneer has refused to fix even when the sets were still under warranty. One guy took them to court in Canada and won. Kuro is the biggest con in the history of the tv industry.



Wow.....That's news to me!!!!!!!

I'm in Australia..... bought my KRP 500M brand new in 2009...... and had it Professionally calibrated.

Absolutely superb PQ......6 years later.

Will check that Thread out but for now...........

Couldn't disagree more with your "con" comment!!!
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There might be some HD Ready displays also out there...
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I'm a bit confused over the resolutions debacle.

AFAIK, UHD Blu-ray and Netflix and eventual TV broadcasts will be 3840 resolution. But does that mean that most TV's now which are 4096 will have to have constant upscaling in to 4k rather than a native 1:1 pixel mapping ?

Isn't that going to irk people ?
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I am surprised at the poll results so far. I figured there would be a lot more Faux4K with so many JVC projectors versus true 4K with the Sony 1100, 600 and 350.

Oh well.
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