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post #121 of 150 Old 02-01-2017, 02:24 PM
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3D is dead and won't be back sorry to burst your bubble. Unless they can set up glasses free 3d on tv that works for more than just a narrow sweet spot it won't be back. 4K is here and won't be going anywhere, the price of the sets dropped insanely fast from when they first popped up 3 or 4 years ago. The standards are in place for 4K and have been for a good bit of time, the only lagging behind was on 4K UHD Blu-ray which just got finalized and hit the market last year. 8K is on the horizon but I think it will be 2020 at the earliest before we see any adoption of that by early adopters. There is no content commercially available and none on the horizon at the moment. Aside from the fact with 8K you must be looking at a 70" screen size minimum and currently 70" is right near the top in size you will find in most stores but I have seen up to 92" currently for sale.
Right. I'm sure this has been said about a dozen times since the 1920's. 3D always comes back. And glasses free is here already but it's just too pricey right now. Glasses free will be the next thing for 3D for mainstream viewing. People don't seem to realize 3D has been around before Avatar. They had movies on DVD in 3D, they had a few on VHD back in the 80's. IMAX has been filming 3D since the early 90's. The 50's, 60's 70's 80's decades had their own 3D booms. 3D isn't dead, even today. There are other ways of viewing 3D. There's this thing called Edison 3D where you can make any 3D display a 3D TV, not as good as the real thing but, just saying, if you want 3D you can get it.

4K will be around but it's niche, it's not a fad though but it's not for everything and it will take time because of upgrade costs. Pretty much everyone I know personally has no plans of upgrading right now. 8K is a gimmick for sure, don't fall for it. Your eyes will not know the difference. I have a 140" PJ screen and I calculated I would have to sit about 8 feet from it to notice the difference vs 4K. I currently sit at 11' and that's the absolute minimum I can sit so I will never see the difference except in my wallet. So yeah, pushing 8K is just a marketing scheme. The limit is really 4K with what your eyes can see unless you have a 200" screen or larger. Or for a monitor where you sit just a few feet, but that will need to be double what you have now. I have a 28" UHD monitor and I have to sit about 2 feet from it. If it were 8K it would need to be 48" minimum and same distance. I would possibly go for that except I don't really have any need for it content wise, maybe for still photos.

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My favorite thing about HDR is the Wide (Expanded) Color Gamut.
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i voted here to stay because i like the effects, but it should go because there is no good reason 3D & HDR couldn't be combined for a awesome experience
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it will be gone by the time I upgrade from my 1080..........
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Right. I'm sure this has been said about a dozen times since the 1920's. 3D always comes back. And glasses free is here already but it's just too pricey right now. Glasses free will be the next thing for 3D for mainstream viewing. People don't seem to realize 3D has been around before Avatar. They had movies on DVD in 3D, they had a few on VHD back in the 80's. IMAX has been filming 3D since the early 90's. The 50's, 60's 70's 80's decades had their own 3D booms. 3D isn't dead, even today. There are other ways of viewing 3D. There's this thing called Edison 3D where you can make any 3D display a 3D TV, not as good as the real thing but, just saying, if you want 3D you can get it.

4K will be around but it's niche, it's not a fad though but it's not for everything and it will take time because of upgrade costs. Pretty much everyone I know personally has no plans of upgrading right now. 8K is a gimmick for sure, don't fall for it. Your eyes will not know the difference. I have a 140" PJ screen and I calculated I would have to sit about 8 feet from it to notice the difference vs 4K. I currently sit at 11' and that's the absolute minimum I can sit so I will never see the difference except in my wallet. So yeah, pushing 8K is just a marketing scheme. The limit is really 4K with what your eyes can see unless you have a 200" screen or larger. Or for a monitor where you sit just a few feet, but that will need to be double what you have now. I have a 28" UHD monitor and I have to sit about 2 feet from it. If it were 8K it would need to be 48" minimum and same distance. I would possibly go for that except I don't really have any need for it content wise, maybe for still photos.
3d always comes back, yes in theaters. For all intents and purposes it is dead at home. I have a 3ds and never really use the 3d and that's glasses free. People at home just don't want to bother with the extra "work" that comes along with 3d at home, and the fact that even at its best only works for a small sweet spot in the room. Sure you may have a 3d tv and 4 pairs of glasses, but unless you use theater style seating its not going to work but for maybe the 2 people sitting directly in front of the tv.
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When done right "HDR" is riveting! It may morph into some other flavor, but the basic technology is here to stay. Like others have already stated. Its a Active Technology. It works without anymore interaction from the user than turning on the system. No special glasses or dohickeys.

Can it exist at the same time as "Dolby Vision" Certainly. This scenario already exists with Sound Formats (DTS & Dolby CODECs).

They have stumbled upon another method or re-marketing and selling us movies we already own. In some cases we own 3 versions of.....So who are the suckers here? Yep, most of the people in the Forums are guilty of multiple copy purchases to get the latest and greatest.

HDR or a further refined derivative of such, is here to stay.

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3d always comes back, yes in theaters. For all intents and purposes it is dead at home. I have a 3ds and never really use the 3d and that's glasses free. People at home just don't want to bother with the extra "work" that comes along with 3d at home, and the fact that even at its best only works for a small sweet spot in the room. Sure you may have a 3d tv and 4 pairs of glasses, but unless you use theater style seating its not going to work but for maybe the 2 people sitting directly in front of the tv.
Bigger is better. I only watch 3D on my 140" screen. Not a bad seat in the room.

I see glasses free 3D as the next trend for flat panels, it just came too late and too expensive right now. 4K resolution is about the limit for what can be used in a living room so they'll have to expand features and improvements into other areas.
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The days of buying a TV and holding on to it for 10 years is gone if you want to semi keep up with tech....sigh..
How is that a bad thing?

Remember, the world doesn't revolve around users who already own equipment. There is such a thing as young people buying new equipment or people with even older stuff that want to upgrade. And why should they buy stuff that's obsolete?

Besides. It's not like your TV all of a sudden is going to become unsupported. Online media makes sure you can play back anywhere from 240p all the way up to 8k.

Just because something has become obsolete it doesn't mean you have to throw it away in a lot of circumstances. Hell, I still have a 10 year old PC working as a server.
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The days of buying a TV and holding on to it for 10 years is gone if you want to semi keep up with tech....sigh..
Just the mentality that CE manufactures want you to have.

Your 720p and 1080p panels don't suddenly stop working if someone accidentally mutters "4K" "HDR" "UHD" or "Dolby Vision" in the same room.

My old 32" 720p Panasonic goes with me to do small group presentations when its not in use in the bedroom.

When my Panasonic 50" gets replaced later this year it will do something, maybe even double duty, faithfully displaying streaming, DVD, and BluRay content, just like it did fresh outta the box.

When it gets replaced, my 2009 Epson HC8350 (now 8 years old) will start doing outdoor movies in the backyard and camping.

Whatever replaces the projector and the 50" panel will be in service for a very long time unless its made to fail in 5 years.

Master crafted 4K UHD HDR Ultra Turbo Platinum Deluxe DV in 4D demo material makes great big box pusher showroom material, but seriously, how many 1 season wonder TV shows, hallmark holiday specials or not blockbuster season by the number rom com movies need all of the master crafted bells and whistles?
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No HDR, Pseudo HDR, HDR w/WCG, HDR wo/WCG, HDR-HDR10, HDR-Dolby Vision, 10 bit or 8 bit or other??? There are too many variables for me. If it is a fad I won't be disappointed. At least it'll cut down the confusion.
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I believe that you are under the impression that we're talking about the HDR in the phones. We're not, this thread has nothing to do with that form of HDR. Go read up on HDR for televisions so you can understand what we're talking about. Completely different thing.

No, I'm talking about original HDR material displayed on HDR TV (Sony flagship from 2015). Phone HDR? Really?! The theory makes sense, but when you see the effect, if you care about accuracy and realistic images, you'd realize it actually messes with reality. If there was a way to incorporate night vision into HD cameras, would you want that in the night scenes of movies? You certainly get a clearer more visually appealing image, but if you were standing in place of that camera, is that what you'd be seeing? I think not. With HDR when the scene includes an object with a bright sun behind it for instance, you'll see the details of the object (you'd see the details of a person's face for instance) but if you were actually looking at that person facing you with a bright sun in your eyes, you definitely would not see any of the facial details- and that's what I mean by unrealistic.
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It reminds me of SACD and DVD-A. gkdiamond said the casual users/consumers drive the market and not enthusiasts. I think he maybe correct. Unless the price comes down to what an average TV buyer will pay. If it follows the path of 1080 where the prices are actually less that older 420P large screen TVs then of course it will continue.
I don't have an HDR TV, nor have I seen one in a properly calibrated environment.

Having said this, SACD and DVD-A offered no real advantage to the ears of regular consumers (I don't even want to enter the hornet's nest of "they offered no real advantage, full point"). The only tangible benefit was multichannel audio and that's something you need to stand still in a fixed point to enjoy, something most definitely not shared by the majority of music consumers.

If HDR is clearly visible in a side by side comparison, I would say SACD and DVD-A do not matter.

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Here to stay

Its being adopted into the OTA 4K spec. I think the TV manufactures all need to do a much better job of teaching the public about it though (Hd10 and dolby vision). Japan will be upgrading to 8k next year.

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My favorite thing about HDR is the Wide (Expanded) Color Gamut.
Agree, my Panasonic Plasma has had extended color support but no content to even benefit from it.

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Bigger is better. I only watch 3D on my 140" screen. Not a bad seat in the room.

I see glasses free 3D as the next trend for flat panels, it just came too late and too expensive right now. 4K resolution is about the limit for what can be used in a living room so they'll have to expand features and improvements into other areas.
This is my thought too, really the only thing plaguing 3D is the need to wear glasses... some manufactures were starting to make some good progress on glassless 3D until the consumers market cooled off, R&D got scared and stopped working on it. Imho whichever manufacture can overcome the glasses issue and still offer good viewing angles, rich black levels first wins.. thats money in the bank!

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Just the mentality that CE manufactures want you to have.

Your 720p and 1080p panels don't suddenly stop working if someone accidentally mutters "4K" "HDR" "UHD" or "Dolby Vision" in the same room.

Oh, no don't mean that at all. My 2014 LG 65" 4K NON-HDR tv works good and looks nice for the most part (LG 65ub9500)
These terms ONLY affect you when you buy a device that supports it and gives you NO advantage with your set UNLESS you have HDR.


For Example, My Xbox One S...games are offered in HDR but, no 4K or deepcolor 4K60 4:2:0 10b SDR/BT2020 like my TV supports.


So in my case, No HDR, No advantage to having a Xbox one S on a 4K tv..


Right now, it is affecting me and kind of driving me nuts a little as I like to "semi keep up with tech" but, If I decide to spend another $2k on a TV, I better find a new wife, as I wont have one if I buy a new tv (this topic came up already and I did get a CLEAR NO).

You know, it's about that WAF....


I guess my only hope of getting HDR is the TV failing while it's under it's 5 year warranty

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Old enough to remember and previously owned a Quadrophonic Stereo and as many Quad Albums I could find. Many said that was a fad. In some respects they were both right and wrong. Look at where we are with Surround Formats now? Did it die, or come back with a vengeance? It only caught on once the Movie Industry started adopting multichannel audio tracks for movies. Until then it remained on the fringes.

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HDR is here to stay but once Dolby Vision hits it will have a run for its money.
Dolby Vision is HDR. I do not understand your claim. Unless you refer to DV > HDR10 in which case, yes, from what I've seen, yes.

I'll stop ripping my BDs when I can put them in and watch the movie without trailers, warnings, cutesy menus...
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I have a Vizio P75 being delivered next weekend, so HDR better be here to stay.
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Oh, no don't mean that at all. My 2014 LG 65" 4K NON-HDR tv works good and looks nice for the most part (LG 65ub9500)
These terms ONLY affect you when you buy a device that supports it and gives you NO advantage with your set UNLESS you have HDR.


For Example, My Xbox One S...games are offered in HDR but, no 4K or deepcolor 4K60 4:2:0 10b SDR/BT2020 like my TV supports.


So in my case, No HDR, No advantage to having a Xbox one S on a 4K tv..


Right now, it is affecting me and kind of driving me nuts a little as I like to "semi keep up with tech" but, If I decide to spend another $2k on a TV, I better find a new wife, as I wont have one if I buy a new tv (this topic came up already and I did get a CLEAR NO).

You know, it's about that WAF....


I guess my only hope of getting HDR is the TV failing while it's under it's 5 year warranty
I do know what you mean. I want to get a larger TV, moving from 50 to 65. Everything out is 4K, and my older receiver and blurray player would have to be updated to take advantage of the new TV. (yeah, I really would like to get the new UHD Blu disks if I had a display that was capable)

I almost had my wife sold, but after factoring in a new bluray player and receiver, I may not be getting 4K until its being blown out by 8K. Still pinching pennies and hoping for this fall.
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I almost had my wife sold, but after factoring in a new bluray player and receiver, I may not be getting 4K until its being blown out by 8K. Still pinching pennies and hoping for this fall.

You could always get a TV, get a Xbox One S (Do you game ?), then get a HDfury 4k Splitter. This will output a HDMI signal so you can take advantage of the audio track with out replacing the AVR right now.


Xbox one S will give you UHD Blu-ray as well as the other standards never mind the streaming sources, if you don't game.


It's a bandaid, as I picked up a HDfury Linker to see if I could get SOME advantage of HDR on my SDR TV...


sigh, it's a endless battle


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I hope For one HDR standard and no Nits contest between the brands. I don't understand why techicolour had to introduce another standard.
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I think it is here to stay. It makes a more noticeable difference in picture quality than adding more pixels. I'm sure they will do 8K but it seems kind of pointless (4K is hardly necessary unless you have a gigantic screen imo). More colors and better contrast is something everyone can appreciate. I think 3D failed because of the glasses more than anything else. HDR has no real drawbacks and over time it will likely become a standard feature on most TVs just like nearly all modern TVs are HD. You can already get good HDR sets under $1K and the prices should just keep going down over time.
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I think it is here to stay. It makes a more noticeable difference in picture quality than adding more pixels. I'm sure they will do 8K but it seems kind of pointless (4K is hardly necessary unless you have a gigantic screen imo). More colors and better contrast is something everyone can appreciate. I think 3D failed because of the glasses more than anything else. HDR has no real drawbacks and over time it will likely become a standard feature on most TVs just like nearly all modern TVs are HD. You can already get good HDR sets under $1K and the prices should just keep going down over time.
3d failed because of the glasses AND the narrow functional viewing area.
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I really think its here to stay and will be the new standard for a while.
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My favorite thing about HDR is the Wide (Expanded) Color Gamut.
Which is why I think it's here to stay. It actually adds another level of detail without needing to burden the watcher (i.e. 3D and curved displays).
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4K resolution is about the limit for what can be used in a living room so they'll have to expand features and improvements into other areas.
Agreed. Here's hoping 3D returns to these 4K/UHD displays in next year's models. It certainly isn't going anywhere in theaters -- almost 40 3D movies were released in US theaters in each of the past several years. 3D paired with the wider color gamut of the 4K displays is a win-win. No one *has* to take advantage of the 3D capability, but it's nice to have available.
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Here to stay and I think 1080p@60FPS HDR will be a bigger deal than 4k in a few years, especailly for sports (HLG?). I have a HTPC and 4k@30FPS looks worse than 1080p HDR (DV) on my B6 OLED. I actually like that MLB.tv went with 720p@60 instead of 1080p@30. Talking about 8k is ridiculous IMO.
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