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Hey Scott,

I own a 2016 65" B6 Oled with an Oppo 203 4k blu ray player. Both support Dolby Vision. I would like to know if we can get a definitive answer if my receiver (Denon X6200w) or any other receiver will be able to pass a Dolby Vision signal? I currently have all sources going thru then Denon and would prefer to keep it this way.

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Can the forum be updated? I don't think we still need a HD-DVD section but we definitely need a UHD section.
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Mark and Scott: in your opinion, what was in the briefcase that Vincent and Jules were trying to recover in Pulp Fiction?
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Do you think broadcasters and networks in the US will ever adopt HLG or 4K whether it is OTA, cable, satellite or streaming? Or will they skip 4K and go to 8K 10 years down the road? I know those questions are not related to specific gear, but it does relate to the gear people will buy such as 4K HDR tv's.

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I own a 2016 65" B6 Oled with an Oppo 203 4k blu ray player. Both support Dolby Vision. I would like to know if we can get a definitive answer if my receiver (Denon X6200w) or any other receiver will be able to pass a Dolby Vision signal? I currently have all sources going thru then Denon and would prefer to keep it this way.

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I certainly agree that it's better to have all your source devices going through the receiver; part of its job is selecting which source you want to watch and listen to. Dolby Vision embeds its metadata along with the video data, so the receiver doesn't need anything special to pass the data along. Therefore, I don't see why the Denon or any other modern receiver would not pass DV through from the device to the TV. But I will ask Denon to be sure.

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Can the forum be updated? I don't think we still need a HD-DVD section but we definitely need a UHD section.
This is not the type of question we're looking for, but I totally agree. Unfortunately, I've been told that forums cannot be deleted without dire consequences from the Google gods. New forums can be added, which we're looking into.

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Do you think broadcasters and networks in the US will ever adopt HLG or 4K whether it is OTA, cable, satellite or streaming? Or will they skip 4K and go to 8K 10 years down the road? I know those questions are not related to specific gear, but it does relate to the gear people will buy such as 4K HDR tv's.
It's a perfectly valid technology question! I'll address it in a separate post...
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What is the best UHD player to get if you intend to use a 1080p display?

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thinking of upgrading to a 4 k projector : Still haven't decided which one : I am currently using panamorph ATH2 anamorphic lens with JVC projector : Can that anamorphic lens be used with any 4 k projectors ?
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What I have:
Marantz AV7702MKII (connected to 2 other power-amps)
Oppo 203 UHD Player, and planning for a JVC X5000 projector.
The equipment is placed outside the HT room, only Oppo UDP 203 will be placed inside the room and beside the main seating, so that it will be convenient to change discs. The projector will be installed onto the ceiling above the seating. distance from processor to projector is about 30ft.

What I want to do:
Can I connect the video directly to the projector and for audio can I use the other HDMI-Out port on UDP 203 which says Audio only ? I am purchasing a Celerity Fiber HDMI cable, thats very pricey and if I run it from UDP 203 to Marantz processor and from Marantz to projector I will need 2 cables of celerity, is it required to run 2 cables ? also, I want to connect another input from Marantz processor to projector which will be for regular 1080p signal for running other sources (PS3, PC, media player).

Please suggest me the best option here.

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General question about Sounds, speakers and receivers...

You were able to listen and use some amazing piece of "art" and engineering sounds system through out your journey with AVSForum,

...for Mr. and Mrs. Joe..., regular fox who enjoy movies and music, does it really make a big difference listening or watching a movie with a $50,000.00 sounds system or a $5,000.00 sounds system?

What do you think is a good compromise? Between too little and too much...

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Why get a UHD Blu-ray player if you're going to use it with a 1080p display? A regular Blu-ray player will work perfectly well, and it'll be a lot less expensive.

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thinking of upgrading to a 4 k projector : Still haven't decided which one : I am currently using panamorph ATH2 anamorphic lens with JVC projector : Can that anamorphic lens be used with any 4 k projectors ?
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Good question! I suspect so, but I'll find out for sure...

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General question about Sounds, speakers and receivers...

You were able to listen and use some amazing piece of "art" and engineering sounds system through out your journey with AVSForum,

...for Mr. and Mrs. Joe..., regular fox who enjoy movies and music, does it really make a big difference listening or watching a movie with a $50,000.00 sounds system or a $5,000.00 sounds system?

What do you think is a good compromise? Between too little and too much...
A worthwhile question! We'll tackle it in a separate post; stay tuned...
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What I have:
Marantz AV7702MKII (connected to 2 other power-amps)
Oppo 203 UHD Player, and planning for a JVC X5000 projector.
The equipment is placed outside the HT room, only Oppo UDP 203 will be placed inside the room and beside the main seating, so that it will be convenient to change discs. The projector will be installed onto the ceiling above the seating. distance from processor to projector is about 30ft.

What I want to do:
Can I connect the video directly to the projector and for audio can I use the other HDMI-Out port on UDP 203 which says Audio only ? I am purchasing a Celerity Fiber HDMI cable, thats very pricey and if I run it from UDP 203 to Marantz processor and from Marantz to projector I will need 2 cables of celerity, is it required to run 2 cables ? also, I want to connect another input from Marantz processor to projector which will be for regular 1080p signal for running other sources (PS3, PC, media player).

Please suggest me the best option here.

Cheers
Running one HDMI cable from the player to the projector and another cable from the player's audio-only HDMI output to the processor is certainly a valid way to go. What cable lengths are required from the player to the processor, from the player to the projector, and from the processor to the projector? Also, I don't see why you would need a second HDMI cable from the processor to the projector for 1080p signals; one cable can carry both 2160p and 1080p. If you clarify these points, I'll be able to give you a definitive answer.

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Great idea! But it's not in the scope of Ask the Editors. Offhand, I'd say there shouldn't be any significant difference in sound quality, especially if the AVR and integrated amp come from the same company. If they come from different companies, there might be a difference in the sound based on how each company tunes its products.

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Running one HDMI cable from the player to the projector and another cable from the player's audio-only HDMI output to the processor is certainly a valid way to go. What cable lengths are required from the player to the processor, from the player to the projector, and from the processor to the projector? Also, I don't see why you would need a second HDMI cable from the processor to the projector for 1080p signals; one cable can carry both 2160p and 1080p. If you clarify these points, I'll be able to give you a definitive answer.
Hello Scott,
Thanks for the prompt reply, the cable length required
from player to processor - 20ft
From projector to processor - 30ft
From player to projector - 10ft

If I connect player to projector directly, then how do I connect other devices ? thats where I thought of connecting a second cable from processor to projector. Is that the way its done ?

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Why get a UHD Blu-ray player if you're going to use it with a 1080p display? A regular Blu-ray player will work perfectly well, and it'll be a lot less expensive.
Because some bright spark decided that only the UHD disc should have Atmos sound for a lot of films (Sully, Deadpool, Oblivion and so on)

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Because some bright spark decided that only the UHD disc should have Atmos sound for a lot of films (Sully, Deadpool, Oblivion and so on)
But even if the UHD disc is the only version with an Atmos soundtrack, the video still can't be reproduced on a 1080p display, so what's the point?

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But even if the UHD disc is the only version with an Atmos soundtrack, the video still can't be reproduced on a 1080p display, so what's the point?
Well that is the thing, as part of the HDCP 2.2 standard, if a UHD player negotiates a lower HDCP level in the chain such as 1.3 then it will force a downscale of the video from 4K to 1080p. Thankfully the Atmos audio track will remain intact since that is the only reason for some of us to get UHD discs over Blu-Ray.

So my question remains, which UHD player is doing this downscaling best including converting the HDR to SDR? I'm pretty sure quite a few projector people still running 1080p would like to know this as well. Thanks.

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Well that is the thing, as part of the HDCP 2.2 standard, if a UHD player negotiates a lower HDCP level in the chain such as 1.3 then it will force a downscale of the video from 4K to 1080p. Thankfully the Atmos audio track will remain intact since that is the only reason for some of us to get UHD discs over Blu-Ray.

So my question remains, which UHD player is doing this downscaling best including converting the HDR to SDR? I'm pretty sure quite a few projector people still running 1080p would like to know this as well. Thanks.
I didn't know that UHD BD players automatically downconverted UHD BDs if the display is 1080p based on HDCP—to tell the truth, I hadn't thought about it much—but it makes sense. I'm glad to hear that the Atmos soundtrack survives intact. I wonder what happens if the signal passes through an AVR or pre/pro from the player to the projector? You're right that there are plenty of people with 1080p projectors, so this is important for them. I don't know if any reviewers have tested this downconversion to see which player does it best, but it's a good idea.
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I wonder what happens if the signal passes through an AVR or pre/pro from the player to the projector?
Unless all devices in the chain are HDCP2.2 compatible the player will reduce the resolution, so if you have a HDCP 1.4 AVR between a HDCP2.2 player and HDCP2.2 display the picture will be 1080p.

This is why the HDFury is a very popular device as it is used to work around the limitations of HDMI2.0 displays that doesn't support HDCP2.2. The player will be oblivious that the other end isn't running HDCP2.2 and transmits the 4K content as normal.

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I didn't know that UHD BD players automatically downconverted UHD BDs if the display is 1080p based on HDCP—to tell the truth, I hadn't thought about it much—but it makes sense. I'm glad to hear that the Atmos soundtrack survives intact. I wonder what happens if the signal passes through an AVR or pre/pro from the player to the projector? You're right that there are plenty of people with 1080p projectors, so this is important for them. I don't know if any reviewers have tested this downconversion to see which player does it best, but it's a good idea.






I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW THIS Great question and hope we can get a valid a solid answer to it. Man that would make life much easier espec. since I have a system that can handle all 3 3D audio formats.
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I certainly agree that it's better to have all your source devices going through the receiver; part of its job is selecting which source you want to watch and listen to. Dolby Vision embeds its metadata along with the video data, so the receiver doesn't need anything special to pass the data along. Therefore, I don't see why the Denon or any other modern receiver would not pass DV through from the device to the TV. But I will ask Denon to be sure.
Hey Scott, any news from Denon on this matter?
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I am looking for a solution that would allow me to have a greater range of options in choosing a UHD projector. I need to be able to throw a 135 inch 16:9 image from about 9-10 feet. Ultra Short throw UHD projectors are way to expensive and there really isnt any short throw projectors on the market either. So is there lens attachments that would work with the current line UHD Projectors that would then allow me to pick a model and work with those conditions but not end up costing as much as an Ultra Short Throw Projector when everything is said and done?

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Logitech Harmony Hub and Smart Control

Hi Scott,

Been a Logitech Harmony fan for years. Recently I just discovered the magical world of their RF based Hub remotes with the purchase of the Harmony Hub and Smart Control Remote.

Some of the time it works like a dream - but often the remote stops responding however strangely the APP keeps working during this time.

I have tried:
New Battery
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Re-pairing the hub
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Disconnecting the cordless phone
Different wifi channels
Separate wifi network just for the hub

I'm at a loss. I bought the remote 2nd hand off eBay so buyer beware I guess. Unless you know of a way around this I will bite the bullet and buy a new one. Before doing this I would like to know if this is common? Is the only way to get reliability to spend more and get something like the Elite? I just liked the simplicity of the smart control as it would be easier for my parents to operate when the visit.

Thanks for your time. Big fan of the twit network!

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Any gear suggestion for an IR repeater? I was considering moving my equipment outside my theater room. I'm not exactly sure how they work, do you just run the sensor to the front of the room and then to your gear>?
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