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Is it possible to add custom buttons to my devices? I have a HK AVR-3650. When customizing it via 7.7 software, I only have the option of discrete on/off commands and unfortunately, so does the original remote. The discrete functions are great for activities to prevent sync issues, but on the remote LCD screen I'd love to have a Power Toggle function so it only takes one spot and not two. My TV on the other hand only has a Power Toggle function. Would it be possible to do the opposite with the TV?

I also have a LG smart TV, 47LM6200. Is it possible to add a custom Netflix button (not activity) that takes me directly to the app like on some newer TVs? The original remote doesn't have this.
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1. I think you are limited to the available IR commands ... usually represented fully on original HK AVR-3650 remote.


2. You can program Macros.
1. HK typically has no power toggle that I know of. But it should have many more functions than you see on the original remote.

2. Likewise, LG has many more discrete functions than you'll find on the original remote. But Netflix isn't one of them. I can post all the discrete power, aspect and input codes if you need them.
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have had my remote for about 2 weeks. currently battery life is horrible! like 2 days at the most. screen always stays on. any fixes on this?
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have had my remote for about 2 weeks. currently battery life is horrible! like 2 days at the most. screen always stays on. any fixes on this?
Sounds like a defective unit. I'd exchange it.
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Ho due problemi con MYHARMONY.
Qui non ci sono i comandi per gli ingressi del dispositivo
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as you upgrade the firmware 650?
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Ho due problemi con MYHARMONY.
Qui non ci sono i comandi per gli ingressi del dispositivo


and not here makes me move the controls


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Was having problems with my 650 so I contacted Logitech and they adjusted my account (not sure what that means) and now I'm unable to control my Apple TV 3. I even placed the Apple TV's remote behind the 650 as asked in the software but still unable to control the Apple TV 3. Suggestions?

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Hi guys
I am moving my audio rack and i was wondering if there is an additonal device that i could buy to convert the harmony 650 remote IR signal to RF or wifi?

The audio rack would be installed behind me.. Is there a cheaper solution than buying another remote?
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I am moving my audio rack and i was wondering if there is an additonal device that i could buy to convert the harmony 650 remote IR signal to RF or wifi?

The audio rack would be installed behind me.. Is there a cheaper solution than buying another remote?
You have essentially 3 cheap options for extending an IR remote:

- Next Generation RF battery
- Remote Extender
- IR Repeater

The first one isn't compatible with Harmony. Great solution for other remotes though.

The next requires a transmitter/receiver pair and is essentially wireless. Powermid and Leapfrog are popular ones.

The last is the cheapest and is a good fit if your rack is in the same room as your remote. It's basically an IR receiver that you would aim at which is wired to an IR blaster you'd place in your rack. The drawback is a wire runs from the receiver to the blaster. Logitech even used to sell one which you may still be able to find pretty cheap on ebay:

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-915-.../dp/B003FST9EC (this one is ridiculously overpriced)

Otherwise, you're looking at a solution that would exceed the cost of a new RF remote like the Harmony Smart Control.
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You have essentially 3 cheap options for extending an IR remote:

- Next Generation RF battery
- Remote Extender
- IR Repeater

The first one isn't compatible with Harmony. Great solution for other remotes though.
Thanks for the solutions mdavej.
In the meantime, i have talked to my local A/V dealer and he proposes me the Next Generation Remote Control Extender. I must replace one of the AA batterie in the remote with a RF tramsitter. Seems good to me but you mentionned this solution is not compatible with our remote. Are we talking about the same thing?

https://www.amazon.com/Next-Generati.../dp/B000C1Z0HA
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Yes, that's the one. While a few have claimed success with Harmony, most have not. I think those people have also seen big foot. Never hurts to try though. Give it a shot and let us know.

See Next Gen's own FAQ "Does the Remote Extender kit work with Universal remotes?". This matches my experience. Worked fine with Harmony about 10 years ago, but not later models, including the 6xx/7xx series. In all my years on these boards, I've seen only one person claim success with Next Gen in a 600/650/700. All the other posts simply ask why the Next Gen doesn't work in their Harmony. I think it has more to do with the physical layout of the circuit board than anything else. The Next Gen battery works by picking up the tiny electric field of the traces going to the IR LED. I think on current Harmonys, those traces are simply too far away from the battery bay for Next Gen to work reliably.

https://www.nextgen.us/Articles.asp?ID=136

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is there a list of switch somewhere that shows all compatible switch/dimmer that work with the 650?
i want to control lights from my remote.
thanks if it has already been discussed
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Any IR switch or IR home automation interface will work with a universal IR remote like the 650.
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Yes, that's the one. While a few have claimed success with Harmony, most have not. I think those people have also seen big foot. Never hurts to try though. Give it a shot and let us know.

See Next Gen's own FAQ "Does the Remote Extender kit work with Universal remotes?". This matches my experience. Worked fine with Harmony about 10 years ago, but not later models, including the 6xx/7xx series. In all my years on these boards, I've seen only one person claim success with Next Gen in a 600/650/700. All the other posts simply ask why the Next Gen doesn't work in their Harmony. I think it has more to do with the physical layout of the circuit board than anything else. The Next Gen battery works by picking up the tiny electric field of the traces going to the IR LED. I think on current Harmonys, those traces are simply too far away from the battery bay for Next Gen to work reliably.

https://www.nextgen.us/Articles.asp?ID=136

My experience has been the same. I've been successfully using the NextGen for years in many different universal remotes but a definite no-go with the (later model) Harmonys.

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Just a Little Newbie Help, Please

I just ordered a 650 (delivery tomorrow) and have been plowing through this thread trying to assimilate all I can. Early pages of this thread are a 6 year old "muck" of those trying to assess a new device. I've caught some direction, but even more confusion, over whether to use MyHarmony as the manual says or the app software (which I know nothing about) -- not sure yet if that question even still applies. In these past two pages there is just argument (that isn't very relevant to a new user) about equipment codes.

Can anyone (@mdavej;, you've been helping folks for years) point a newbie with the 650 to some specific reference that will minimize the blunders? I've been reading the manual, but honestly need the device. My skill level is high, my setup is fairly sophisticated and I just want to be able to eliminate the "remote" in-fighting in my living room (and try to make my amazing equipment more useful for my wife). (That latter would help ensure the development of "our" setup.)

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I just ordered a 650 (delivery tomorrow) and have been plowing through this thread trying to assimilate all I can. Early pages of this thread are a 6 year old "muck" of those trying to assess a new device. I've caught some direction, but even more confusion, over whether to use MyHarmony as the manual says or the app software (which I know nothing about) -- not sure yet if that question even still applies. In these past two pages there is just argument (that isn't very relevant to a new user) about equipment codes.

Can anyone (mdavej, you've been helping folks for years) point a newbie with the 650 to some specific reference that will minimize the blunders? I've been reading the manual, but honestly need the device. My skill level is high, my setup is fairly sophisticated and I just want to be able to eliminate the "remote" in-fighting in my living room (and try to make my amazing equipment more useful for my wife). (That latter would help ensure the development of "our" setup.)
FWIW I just bought a replacement 650 as my old one is having the button issue (and my first attempt with the pencil trick didn't quite fix things, might try the conductive paint thing before I give up on it). There's no choice any longer, you download the software and program it that way as opposed to the old online method (but if you had an old setup on the website you can still access it up to a point with the download, as I did, so all I had to do was sync the new one).

I don't think you should worry too much, just go thru setup and then see if you have issues....
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I don't think you should worry too much, just go thru setup and then see if you have issues....
Ok, thanks -- that's what I needed. The manual still says MyHarmony... I appreciate the pointer -- lots of this thread to go through maybe before I would find that.

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Ok, thanks -- that's what I needed. The manual still says MyHarmony... I appreciate the pointer -- lots of this thread to go through maybe before I would find that.
One consideration before setting up your new remote is to plan out your individual activities.

Get a legal pad and think how you want to be able to use your 650.

I own the 650 and the smart remote.

http://support.logitech.com/en_us/product/harmony-smart-control

Create various individual activities, included within those activities are options like power on, power on delays, power on order, what input, input delays, lighting, open bluray player tray, etc.

Some examples that I have activities for.

Movie with AVR - certain movies you want the full experience with AVR, bluray player, tv, sub, lighting, etc

Movie with sound bar (or tv speakers) - certain movies, tv shows, news, etc. you may not need or want AVR on.. You may just want the tv and bluray player using just the sound bar or tv speakers. As opposed to firing up the AVR just to watch the news.

CD music - AVR and bluray player on. Dont need TV on to listen to music (for me)

Pandora - just need AVR on

You can see that by thinking ahead you can create and name various activities. Will help with WAF.

One thing to remember is that with the 650 you will need to keep the remote pointed at your equipment. Until all ir commands are completed by the activity.

The smart remote makes easier as the hub remains pointed at your equipment all the time. Helps with WAF.

Good luck

P.S if you don't already own it, check out this bluray.

https://www.amazon.com/Eric-Clapton-Steve-Winwood-Madison/dp/B00278U1W0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1477152897&sr=8-2&keywords=steve+winwood+and+eric+clapton+bluray
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I just ordered a 650 (delivery tomorrow) and have been plowing through this thread trying to assimilate all I can. Early pages of this thread are a 6 year old "muck" of those trying to assess a new device. I've caught some direction, but even more confusion, over whether to use MyHarmony as the manual says or the app software (which I know nothing about) -- not sure yet if that question even still applies. In these past two pages there is just argument (that isn't very relevant to a new user) about equipment codes.

Can anyone (mdavej, you've been helping folks for years) point a newbie with the 650 to some specific reference that will minimize the blunders? I've been reading the manual, but honestly need the device. My skill level is high, my setup is fairly sophisticated and I just want to be able to eliminate the "remote" in-fighting in my living room (and try to make my amazing equipment more useful for my wife). (That latter would help ensure the development of "our" setup.)


Due to your skill level, it should not be a problem. Just get it going, make some simple progress, and go from there.


When ours needs a recharge, wife calls me in a panic. She refuses to use the old DVR remote (even though it's Universal and I have it programmed nicely).
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Software change

Interesting how things change. I found these for a good current explanation
https://setup.myharmony.com/#600-series


https://setup.myharmony.com/#software-info


I use old legacy v7.x Desktop software for my 650 (and even older 670) and it still works fine.


I never used a web-based portal, but I've read other have over the years. Interesting they are going back to Desktop software, and it makes sense if you read why.


Is there a way for me to migrate or upgrade to the new desktop software ... without starting over?

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One consideration before setting up your new remote is to plan out your individual activities.

Get a legal pad and think how you want to be able to use your 650.
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Good luck

P.S if you don't already own it, check out this bluray.

https://www.amazon.com/Eric-Clapton-...clapton+bluray
Thanks for the suggestions on setting up the 650. And special thanks on Clapton/Winwood -- somehow I missed that one.


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Interesting how things change. I found these for a good current explanation
https://setup.myharmony.com/#600-series

https://setup.myharmony.com/#software-info

I use old legacy v7.x Desktop software for my 650 (and even older 670) and it still works fine.

I never used a web-based portal, but I've read other have over the years. Interesting they are going back to Desktop software, and it makes sense if you read why.

Is there a way for me to migrate or upgrade to the new desktop software ... without starting over?
Again, the links are much appreciated. Apparently following the manual would have gotten me there, but with a lot more to filter through. I assume you're far ahead of me, but did you read through this page of options to see if it addresses your migration question? https://setup.myharmony.com/

After watching some football, I now find my 650 has been delivered to my mailbox. I guess I'll make that one mile trip (each way) tonight and get started in the morning. Maybe morning...

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Quick confirmation here that tips from you guys ( @LNEWoLF and @Tesla1856 ) were timely and helpful. With basic activities setup and working, I'm now focusing on the more particular aspects like fixing the buttons for the Directv remote that Harmony didn't do right and defining some of those special buttons I frequently use on my Yamaha remote.
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Quick confirmation here that tips from you guys ( @LNEWoLF and @Tesla1856 ) were timely and helpful. With basic activities setup and working, I'm now focusing on the more particular aspects like fixing the buttons for the Directv remote that Harmony didn't do right and defining some of those special buttons I frequently use on my Yamaha remote.
Good glad you got it up and running.

The more you use it. You will discover things that you may want to change or add.

Eventually you'll get it tweaked and fine tuned the way you want it to operate.

My 650 I use in my bedroom setup. I don't think lve made any changes to it in two years. Since I set it up for use in the bedroom.

Its nice having a lighted remote and one remote that has all the functions of the original oem remote.

I like to add all the buttons from the oem remote for each device. That way they are available if needed.
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Good glad you got it up and running.

The more you use it. You will discover things that you may want to change or add.

Eventually you'll get it tweaked and fine tuned the way you want it to operate.

My 650 I use in my bedroom setup. I don't think lve made any changes to it in two years. Since I set it up for use in the bedroom.

Its nice having a lighted remote and one remote that has all the functions of the original oem remote.

I like to add all the buttons from the oem remote for each device. That way they are available if needed.
I think you're right about that last -- after only one day I found it frustrating to have to use the OnScreen menus to simply change a DSU when there is a button for that (or should be). Nice to have a backup too isn't it? And one that is backed up online! Nice!

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My home theater system components go through the Sony AV receiver. When watching a bluray or apple tv, the sony is powered on for surround sound. when switching back to regular tv, the input is set to SAT/CATV. The Sony needs to be on to switch the input, but then I want to turn off the Sony receiver and only use the TV speakers.

Tried to add the Power off or Power toggle command to the customized activities on the Harmony 650, but it won't show up. I did this with my previous Logitec remote.

any suggestions?

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My home theater system components go through the Sony AV receiver. When watching a bluray or apple tv, the sony is powered on for surround sound. when switching back to regular tv, the input is set to SAT/CATV. The Sony needs to be on to switch the input, but then I want to turn off the Sony receiver and only use the TV speakers.

Tried to add the Power off or Power toggle command to the customized activities on the Harmony 650, but it won't show up. I did this with my previous Logitec remote.

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Your question brought me to realize something about the MyHarmony software that I hadn't realized previously... Commands that have been assigned to input selection or power control (in device setup) of the primary devices in an activity are not available as command selections used to customize startup/shutdown for an activity. This should be easy to rectify, however... just teach the Harmony the necessary commands from the OE remote and give the learned commands names like PowerOff2 or InputSatCatv2... similar to the existing commands but modified slightly for uniqueness. Since these learned command copies will not be utilized in the normal device configuration, they should be available for activity customization.

If it was me, instead of turning on the AVR just to switch inputs and then turn it off immediately when starting your Watch TV Activity, I would "normalize" the receiver to the correct bypass input every time you shut down ANY activity. Just add an InputSatCatv command (or whatever the correct command is for your Sony) as an added custom shut down command for ALL of your OTHER activities. Then, I would just leave the receiver completely out of your Watch TV activity. It's just a little more elegant and smoother that way... you're not likely to ever notice the extra input command during shutdown, but you will definitely notice the AVR power up/switch/power down during the startup of your Watch TV activity.

Either way, from what I just saw when I checked out some of my configurations, you will have to teach the remote an extra copy of any input selection or power command you want to use in custom activity startup or shutdown sequences.

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Your question brought me to realize something about the MyHarmony software that I hadn't realized previously... Commands that have been assigned to input selection or power control (in device setup) of the primary devices in an activity are not available as command selections used to customize startup/shutdown for an activity. This should be easy to rectify, however... just teach the Harmony the necessary commands from the OE remote and give the learned commands names like PowerOff2 or InputSatCatv2... similar to the existing commands but modified slightly for uniqueness. Since these learned command copies will not be utilized in the normal device configuration, they should be available for activity customization.

If it was me, instead of turning on the AVR just to switch inputs and then turn it off immediately when watching your TV Activity, I would add add an InputSatCatv command (or whatever the correct command is for your Sony) as an added custom shut down command for ALL of your OTHER activities... this will normalize the receiver to the correct bypass input every time the system is shut down. Then, I would just leave the receiver completely out of your Watch TV activity. It's just a little more elegant and smoother that way... you're not likely to ever notice the extra input command during shutdown, but you will definitely notice the AVR power up/switch/power down during the startup of your Watch TV activity.

Either way, from what I just saw when I checked out some of my configurations, you will have to teach the remote an extra copy of any input selection or power command you want to use in custom activity startup or shutdown sequences.
Interesting! Although I'm really new with this thing, I just did come across the same problem @rono7 described and had decided that a temporary work-around is to simply click the WatchTV button before turning the system off after having my AVR engaged (assuming I remember...). That would manually accomplish what you describe, but is NOT an elegant fix like yours. Now if I can just figure out exactly what you are saying...

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thanks for your help. I had tried to do what you suggested to add the InputSat/Catv command to the Sony Receiver, then add it to the shutdown when switching activities, it would switch the input back before powering down. but when I go to add it in the customized activity, it doesn't show up in the list.
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thanks for your help. I had tried to do what you suggested to add the InputSat/Catv command to the Sony Receiver, then add it to the shutdown when switching activities, it would switch the input back before powering down. but when I go to add it in the customized activity, it doesn't show up in the list.
OK... finished work and could test... I found that if the learned command includes "power" or "input" in the name you give it, it will be correctly learned but will not show up in the customize activity startup/shutdown command last. Sooooo, I learned the PowerOff command again but gave it the name Poff, and learned the CBL/SAT sat command as CblSat instead of InputCblSat, and THOSE learned commands were available in the custom command list (right at the top of the list, too).

I've done a lot of custom startup and shutdown configurations in the past, but it always was with the old 7.7 software, which did not exhibit this behavior. I hadn't done it with MyHarmony previously. This is a small minus on the MyHarmony balance sheet, but the workaround is fairly easy.

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