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So looking through the threads I see lots of input lag times for 60 and smaller TV's but nothing bigger. Thinking about getting the Panasonic TC-P65VT60 for movies but I'm also a FPS gamer. Any advise would be great. Thanks Brae
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Price doesn't matter, Looks like some 55 inch LCD's have 16 to 25 ms. I can't find anything on TV's bigger then 60 inches.http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag
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I would also be interested in any recommendations others might have on 60+ flat panel HDTV for gaming.

I have been checking out www.displaylag.com

I am trying to stay under $1300 or so.

I currently have a old Vizio 47LCD I game on and have been happy with the brand in terms of bang for buck. The Vizio 60" E601i-A3 (31ms) is listed on that site as having great input lag. Also the Panny Plasma (27ms)

The only 'large' TV that shows Excellent lag on that site is the the 55" Sony KDL-55W802A (17ms)

Now I have clue how valid their testing methods are but was all I could find when I looked on the web.
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Ok I have two input lag test sites now! check these out!

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/#participants-list

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/input-lag

I'm diffidently going to use the link through "Display Lag Database" so he gets a little money from amazon for doing all the tests for us. He emailed me back and said that would really help him and the site so he can do more tests!
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I would also be interested in any recommendations others might have on 60+ flat panel HDTV for gaming.

I have been checking out www.displaylag.com

I am trying to stay under $1300 or so.

I currently have a old Vizio 47LCD I game on and have been happy with the brand in terms of bang for buck. The Vizio 60" E601i-A3 (31ms) is listed on that site as having great input lag. Also the Panny Plasma (27ms)

The only 'large' TV that shows Excellent lag on that site is the the 55" Sony KDL-55W802A (17ms)

Now I have clue how valid their testing methods are but was all I could find when I looked on the web.

Both sites rate the Sony KDL-55W802A (17ms) as excellent and the only TV in the hardcore gamer TV category. I'm either getting the sony or waiting a couple months for an updated list. Need to stay under 20ms if you want to know there's no lag.
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The vt-60 is very good for gaming. Think it was 42ms or so. I have the 65" and it is an awesome TV.

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Ya the Sony KDL-70R550A 70-Inch is 36ms and the wife said if we buy a new TV it has to be a 70 inch or bigger. I'm going to wait a month to see if displaylag.com comes up with a 70+ TV thats better but that looks like my best bet right now.
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Ya the Sony KDL-70R550A 70-Inch is 36ms and the wife said if we buy a new TV it has to be a 70 inch or bigger..

She sounds like a keeper smile.gif
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She sounds like a keeper smile.gif

Yes, shes awesome and definitely a keeper! Trying to wait for someone to come up with a sub 20ms gaming mode besides the Sony KDL-55W900A.
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Cnet is now testing for input lag. The only >65" item on the list is a projector, but at least more people will pay attention to lag, and more manufacturers will give importance to this gaming feature.

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Sony's "W" line are supposed to be excellent for low input lag (sub 20ms), and the latest model KDL65W850A is a 65".

I've got my eye on this one.

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I'm also interested, but heard the picture quality on the sony 802 isn't that good..


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I'm also interested, but heard the picture quality on the sony 802 isn't that good..

Sony's w802a tops out at 55", so it doesn't fit the category of this thread.

The new W850a is a 65". Like the w900a, it also is a TRILUMINOS display, which puts it above the 802. But like the W802a, it's a 120Hz panel - the 900 is 240Hz.

So the W850a is somewhere between a W900a and a W802a at 65". Because it's new and there's no professional reviews and few user reviews yet, it's hard to gauge which side it's closer to. I'm hoping it's close to the 900.

EDIT: I compared the Sony 65" W850a side-by-side with the 55" W900a, and the picture quality was very similar. Unfortunately, the 850 had some minor darkening on the left and right edges.

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[quote name="Artman22" url="/t/1482131/best-low-input-lag-65-to-75-inch-tv-for-gaming#post_23849969"]I'm also interested, but heard the picture quality on the sony 802 isn't that good..[/quote]Sony's [B]w802a[/B] tops out at 55", so it doesn't fit the category of this thread.The new [U][B]W850a[/B] [/U]is a 65". Like the w900a, it also is a TRILUMINOS display, which puts it above the 802. But like the W802a, it's a 120Hz panel - the 900 is 240Hz.So the W850a is somewhere between a W900a and a W802a at 65". Because it's new and there's no professional reviews and few user reviews yet, it's hard to gauge which side it's closer to. I'm hoping it's close to the 900.EDIT: I compared the Sony 65" W850a side-by-side with the 55" W900a, and the picture quality was very similar. Unfortunately, the 850 had some minor darkening on the left and right edges.

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I wonder if it has true local dimming like the 900, or just global dimming like the 802?

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Yea I am in the same boat!! Currently have a 55 inch Samsung 8500 with full array back-lighting. Not sure if the 8500 had local dimming but it looks fantastic for a almost 4 year old set. Black levels are great which is more then I can say for most edge let sets these days. Anyways from what I can tell there are only a few 70+ inch sets which might be worth looking at for gaming. The best among them being the Samsung UN75F8000 series which has a dedicated game mode. The difference in lag was minimal between having the Auto-motion Plus feature on and off. The Auto-motion motion smoothing feature is essential to improving the performance of gaming from the 240Hz panel.

 

When this feature is enabled, motion lag and judder are virtually eliminated and gaming performance is best in class. This is a great gaming TV from what i can tell on the experience I had with the 60 display model I had a chance of playing with awhile back. After a second viewing I was also presently surprised at the black level it produced during dark scenes. I was a bit skeptical at first since I did see some very slight blooming but after an adjustment in the advanced settings.I found that was greatly reduced and very close to matching my Samsung 8500. While this is a edge lit set with local dimming.

It is one of the very best I have seen on the market.

 

Lag seemed minimal thanks in part to it's quad core processor. In addition to a dedicated gaming mode which seemed to help.  Unfortunately there aren't many 70+ sets on the market to begin with. At least ones which are worth even looking at. Sharp probably has that end of the market cornered but it's Elite or ultra large 85-90 inch sets are crazy expensive. Not to mention most I have seen don't support local dimming. Might not be an issue considering the 90 inch model is a full array. Which has over 500 LED's behind the screen and produces some incredible contrast ratios. However you will pay a premium for that functionality as it is a cool $10,000.

 

Although there is an $8,000 model as well which is a little better. It also weights over 150 pounds so that might be an issue in and of itself.  The Panasonic GT60 is probably the best set with the lowest lag I have used to date other then the Sony W905 series. However it is only a 55 inch which doesn't help you any.  Furthermore the GT60 is a Plasma and only comes in 50, 55, 60 & 65 inch models. For the money I would say my choice would be the Samsung F8000. It offers the best performance of any LED set I have seen outside of OLED or 4K. Combined with the most features as well as having the ability to upgrade the processor & software through it's evolution kits when newer technology becomes available. That in and of itself is almost worth the price I think.

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The vt-60 is very good for gaming. Think it was 42ms or so. I have the 65" and it is an awesome TV.

I second this as a 65" VT60 owner myself. Best gaming set on the market period - finding one is the real catch. Call around to Best Buy's for an open box deal.
Having owned a 50" ST60 for a year and just recently switching to a 65" VT60 I can without question tell you that the ST60's input lag is very real. The VT is the best set you'll find for picture quality available, and it doesn't hurt that it's a modest 40ms input lag as well.
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good time,So the W850a is somewhere between a W900a and a W802a at 65". Because it's new and there's no professional reviews and few user reviews yet, it's hard to gauge which side it's closer to.[IMG]http://*******/9jszky[/IMG] I'm hoping it's close to the 900.thank you
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