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IGN gave it an 8.5, Kikizo gave it a 9.1, and Gamespot gave it a 9.3! With this game being based off a movie franchise, those are some incredible scores! Is there anyone playing this who can provide some more feedback on it?
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I will be picking it up today when time permits I hope. Will post something after seeing it running on my Z1.

Enclave was a very good game (If too hard at times) so I have high hopes for this one.

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I've heard good things about this game, but it's main complaint seems to be that it's a bit too short. You may want to rent it rather than buy it.
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it has three difficulty settings as well as side missions you can accept. there's some replay value here. 7-10hours to get thru the first time give or take, play it thru a second time.... should eat up a good 20hour total chunk.

good enough for me if the game is beautiful and well executed, which, this game seems to be.

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I've heard good things about this game, but it's main complaint seems to be that it's a bit too short. You may want to rent it rather than buy it.
Reports vary from 10-12 for most with one I saw last week saying 7-10 hours.

At 10-12 (reported as a play through, not getting 100%) that makes it longer than Zelda: WW, Metroid Prime, Metal Gear Solid:TTS and Viewtiful Joe, all games you have heartily recommended as "must buys". Suggesting someone rent this instead of purchase... I am puzzled dschroll.

Ok so work can wait.

Maybe the Onimusha intro posted here spoiled me but the CG intro looks bad. Not even just not great, but bad.

Immediately after is a scene that sets us up for the actual gameplay using the in game engine. The Marshall bringing you to Butcher Bay, as well as the other two convicts do not look anywhere near as well modeled as the Riddick char, but they are passable.

Once game play starts you have the choice of what tone you want to strike with the Marshall. (RPG lite elements mentioned I assume) though it really does not matter you only have one option with the Marshall... (and its not to make friends!)

The view is pretty unusual. I never played Breakdown but I am thinking this is similar from descriptions. Seems the standard view is higher than most FPS, and the stealth view (Click in left stick for quieter moving) lowers you to a more familiar viewpoint.

The flailing about when punched in the head, as well as when punching is well done, Much better than just your hands/gun moving in most games. (Again I am pretty sure this was done in Breakdown first).

Oops forgot to mention language.. if you were offended by Manhunt, this may annoy you as well. Riddick seems to have worse language than he did in Pitch Black.

What stuck out the most was Riddick's shadow. So far you can always see it and its very realistic (IMO) for agame. Often its right infront of him however and looks really dark.

As well as Riddick's shadow is done however.. the shadows for objects (many small light sources casting shadows off of boxes and objects) look poor. They appear to be dramatic color changes in the textures and do not seem to have any real illusion of being "real" shadows".

Surfaces also seem to suffer from Need For Speed shininess. Its amazing that you can walk up to any surface and not see ANY blockiness.. but I am wondering who polishes all the surfaces in this prison. Heck the dirt and grime SHINES in this game (So far).

Gameplay is pretty cool so far. the HTH combat is not deep but it works, I was able to throw several punches. In fact I was able to beat someone to death without even getting hit myself (hope the AI gets better for hand to hand combat).

The switch from FP to third person is very fast and smooth, it looks like it makes perfect sense to do this when climbing up and down ladders and makes me wonder why nobody though of this sooner.

I am also somewhat puzzled by the fact that I need to drag a body into the shadows so no guards that pass by are alerted, but its ok to leave the gun the guard was using in the middle of the hallway... (You cannot at this point pickup weapons without being shocked)

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At 10-12 (reported as a play through, not getting 100%) that makes it longer than Zelda: WW, Metroid Prime, Metal Gear Solid:TTS and Viewtiful Joe, all games you have heartily recomended as "must buys". Suggesting someone rent this instead of purchse
Please, let's not start this again. I'm sure every person here has read time and again of your alleged completion times of games(especially Metroid Prime). My recommendations of games are generally "must play." While I'm not denying that I recommended people purchase a game, I doubt I went out of my way to insist that someone buy it over renting it. I generally just insist that people play it or try it if there are any doubts over a game.

Chronicles of Riddick is a $50 game. I have merely read some reviews on the game that said that it was relatively short and can be completed in 10 hours or less. With game rentals now lasting several days for a few dollars, I merely recommended that renting the game may be an alternative to buying it. I'm not really insisting on someone buying it or renting it, just making a suggestion based on what I've read. I try and post suggestions on forums to try and help people at times, be it game recommendations, home theater advice, or money saving tips. I think you're looking to deep into this.

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Seriously I am puzzled why you would mention the length of a game as being a reason to rent considering your previous "help" for many well rated games never included this suggestion thats all. Too deep? Maybe. Call me curious /shrug. No offense intended.

Oh and MP can be finished in 1.5 hours with 100% if you do not believe me, watch the video :)

(For the record the only game I have mentioned/posted my personal time for finishing in your list is MP and you are off by 3 hours AGAIN).

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Seems like you should be spending more time working and less time trying to pick fights on message boards.
Likewise. I own my company so I am afforded a level of flexibility (After all when you are a business owner you are ALWAYS working) with my message board times.

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[b]Seriously I am puzzled why you would mention the length of a game as being a reason to rent considering your previous "help" for many well rated games never included this suggestion thats all. Too deep? Maybe. Call me curious /shrug.
Ok curious/shrug. I have suggested that others rent games in the past as well. I believe I even recommended Twin Snakes as a rental to some(especially to those that have played the original). Again, it was more of a recommendation to play the game than to buy it.

Again, you're just looking too deep into this bud. I'm sure my "rent it" suggestion may have worked into your conspiracy theory on me trying to thwart MS' attempt to make a place for themselves in the console market by going on message boards and suggesting people not buy XBOX games and merely rent them......but that's not something I really would want to do......or would I??? ;)

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Oh, I know it can.....by professional speedgamers who put in 100+ hours into the game in order to memorize all the clues and maps. I don't, however, believe that Frank Cones managed to get through Metroid Prime his first time through(on Normal) in 7 hours(or 10 for that matter, although you HAVE said 7 in the past) without using any type of strategy guide.
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(For the record the only game I have mentioned/posted my personal time for finishing in your list is MP and you are off by 3 hours AGAIN).
Just out of curiosity . . . of the games you mentioned above . . .

Zelda Wind Waker
Viewtiful Joe
MGS: Twin Snakes
Metroid Prime

How long did it take for you to complete each of these?

Just wondering,
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Zelda Wind Waker: Hmm I'd say about 15 with my son playing with me. I would place $$ on we could have finished it sooner as he liked to spend time in the game since he found the graphics so good. (Commented more than once on how much better thay were than shows on the cartoon network)

Viewtiful Joe: 7, maybe 8. Had to have my son help me with several sports though as my age is catching up with me!

MGS: Twin Snakes Finished the PS1 version in well under 10 hours. I have read there are new/longer cut scenes, but have also read its an approx 10 hour ride in reviews still.

Metroid Prime: Despite whats been brought up time and time again, I did not finish MP in 7 hours, it took me 10. Was it 100%, nope. But it also was not rushing by any means.

You can look up reviews for these games in many places and find that finishing them takes approx 10 hours. Same as Halo for that matter. Heck same as most games this generation. Yet another reason I would find it odd for someone (anyone) to say a 10-12 hour game might be a rental due to its being short.. that logic would place most games as rentals. (

Now that would not be good for the industry or people who work in companies making parts for the consoles would it. I say buy every good game whether its 7 hours or 20. There are peoples livelyhoods depending on it.

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So back to the game:

Hmm more stealth than shooter, very cool. Sadly the guards are not showing any real talent using their weapons. If I am seen trying to sneak up, the guard yells at me instead of shooting at me (Often yelling "there's Riddick kill him") allowing me to punch him a few times and force him to shoot himslef.

The special cigarette packs are very neat. They unlock (so far) movies and still shots of the Pitch Black SE DVD and new movie. I have #1, #2 and then um #6. Guess I need to go back and check some tunnels I missed.

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At 10-12 (reported as a play through, not getting 100%) that makes it longer than Zelda: WW
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Agreed. Enough with the exaggerations please.
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At 10-12 (reported as a play through, not getting 100%) that makes it longer than Zelda: WW, Metroid Prime, Metal Gear Solid:TTS and Viewtiful Joe, all games you have heartily recommended as "must buys". Suggesting someone rent this instead of purchase... I am puzzled dschroll.


RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!

and you finished Prime in 10 hours?!?! PLEASE!! Wait I bet you are a metroid expert and you NEVER once had to start from a previos save due to dying etc.. No, sure couldn't have been you!

Amazing for sure!!!!
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Agreed. Enough with the exaggerations please.
I would not dare to exagerate on a pro-GC board like this thank you very much!

And Gameboya I am a lock on expert after playing Dead to Rights and MP! It took you lobger than 10 hours? /boggle you my friend need to see the video, there is not much to MP....

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So much animosity on this particular topic and I wasn't even the cause of any of it? And the for the record DSchroll recommends renting this game because it's NOT on Gamecube and NOT Super Mario Sunshine! :)
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So much animosity on this particular topic and I wasn't even the cause of any of it? And the for the record DSchroll recommends renting this game because it's NOT on Gamecube and NOT Super Mario Sunshine! :)
I am not Dschroll, but I will go along with that.

If it is NOT on the GameCube and NOT a Mario game . . . It is only worth renting!!

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Umm ... and here I thought I could look and see what AVS people actually thought about the game ... silly me .


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Umm ... and here I thought I could look and see what AVS people actually thought about the game ... silly me .


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*cough* I put the highlights from my first hour and a half of gameplay up *cough*

Going beyond that:

The AI is VERY troubling. I know I mentioned it before but I keep expecting it to get better.... it has in that I am at more "stealthy" sections where if I am seen from a very great distance the guards now spray the area with machine gun fire, but there is still the issue of then standing and looking at me if I get close and then get spotted. I've never been a prison guard but question the login of engaging in hand to hand combat with a fellow twice my size when I have an automatic weapon in my hands. I guess its the training program as they ALL choose HTH over the machijne gun defense...

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well, i for one am digging the game.

have to get used to the controls, so, i think i'm going to start over the intro level.

i was a bit taken back at the language... just wasn't expecting it (never played manhunt). not gonna be a game i can play with in an earshot of my kids, but, hey, it's better playing in the dark anyways.

is it just me, or, are these cig.packs found out of order?? the first pack i picked up was #37 and that was about 5min into the game.

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The AI is VERY troubling. I know I mentioned it before but I keep expecting it to get better.... it has in that I am at more "stealthy" sections where if I am seen from a very great distance the guards now spray the area with machine gun fire, but there is still the issue of then standing and looking at me if I get close and then get spotted. I've never been a prison guard but question the login of engaging in hand to hand combat with a fellow twice my size when I have an automatic weapon in my hands. I guess its the training program as they ALL choose HTH over the machijne gun defense...
man, that's really unfortunate - the reviews i've read actually praised the quality of the AI....

let us know if you see any change in it.

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wow. i'm pretty sure i hadn't even found the sail for the boat after 10 hours of playing WW.....
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is it just me, or, are these cig.packs found out of order?? the first pack i picked up was #37 and that was about 5min into the game.

pat.
I think you are onto something here.

I'm enjoying the game quite a bit so far.

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Frank ,

-- Yes you certainly did but yours was the only game-play opinion in the thread [ which went out of control - as many threads here seem to do recently & the Gamecube Vs. Xbox thing has bored me to tears :( ] .


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*cough* I put the highlights from my first hour and a half of gameplay up *cough*


--- Beyond that for me is that I have not yet played it but I am very interested in trying it out ... maybe a rental ;) .


Going beyond that:

The AI is VERY troubling. I know I mentioned it before but I keep expecting it to get better.... it has in that I am at more "stealthy" sections where if I am seen from a very great distance the guards now spray the area with machine gun fire, but there is still the issue of then standing and looking at me if I get close and then get spotted. I've never been a prison guard but question the login of engaging in hand to hand combat with a fellow twice my size when I have an automatic weapon in my hands. I guess its the training program as they ALL choose HTH over the machine gun defense...
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Some more positive developments:

AI changes at about level 6. Guards now open fire when you are spotted. If you are right on them, they smack you with the butt and then open fire, making it very hard to force them to shoot themselves as you could earlier in the game. I imagine the earlier lack of intelligence was to make your transition to the game smoother.

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Ah , excellent news Frank [ thank you ] .

--- I plan on playing this game tonight :D [ if I can find it for rent ] .

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Well I am certainly enjoying this game , excellent IMO :D .

--- The 'PIT' level is just so cool that I had to play through it again after I passed it ;) .


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--- The 'PIT' level is just so cool that I had to play through it again after I passed it ;) .


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Estimated time to failure 6 minutes.. 5 minutes.. 4 minutes...

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Ah , excellent news Frank [ thank you ] .

--- I plan on playing this game tonight :D [ if I can find it for rent ] .

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Jason,

Shhhh....don't say you'll rent it. Frank will think you're putting the industry out of business if you even make such a suggestion and then this whole thread will spin out of control again.

All in all, I am glad this game has turned out well. It certainly seems to be one of the few exceptional movie based games out there. How is everyone finding the brightness on the game? From the videos I saw, the game seems really dark and difficult to see. Does this seem to be the case? When I was playing Halo, it also seemed dark on my TV, which is why I am asking. How would you compare the brightness of the 2?
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Halo is like playing Super Mario Sunshine compared to Riddick. Front projectors require a short period of time to reach their effective brightness, while waiting for my Z1 to "warm up" Riddick is damn near unplayable!

I found out the reason why the game is both good AND a movie license watching G4TV the other day. It started out as a prequel to Pitch Black and had nothing at all to do with the new movie, then they tacked on the title and added a few things to the original game.

So it started like a Bond game: Use the license and chars in an original story. Works well for EA and seems to have worked well for Starbreeze.


Hey Dschroll did you see the IGN article on how used games and to a lesser extent renting are effecting the industry? Pretty interesting topic to give some thought to.

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Jason,
If you could, would you let me know how the game looks on your CRT projector (if you still have it)? I'm curious to see if the game is dark in a nice, contrasty, inky-black sort of way or just all around dark.

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