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AVS HD 709 - Blu-ray & MP4 Calibration

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INTRODUCTION
This project aims to provide a free set of calibration patterns for high definition (HD) video players. You will find downloads here to create discs for Blu-ray and AVCHD players, a version with MP4 video for computers or other compatible devices, and a Patterns Manual with some basic instructions. Users can burn the downloads to DVD media for some applications, but all of the download versions are intended only for HD players. These calibration patterns will not play on standard DVD players, and they are not expected to calibrate for Rec. 601 video used in commercial DVDs. The AVS HD 709 patterns are meant only to calibrate for Rec. 709 encoded HD video, such as commercial Blu-rays.

Primarily we intend to offer HD video patterns for calibrating digital displays, such as current LCD, LED, Plasma, and DLP models. This project does not address analog display (CRT) or audio calibration, which can be found on other sources such as Digital Video Essentials or Avia. The patterns provided have been divided into sections for different tasks. The Blu-ray related discs allow you to select sections from menus, and you can navigate the video clips in each section by chapter skipping. The Basic Settings and Miscellaneous Patterns primarily focus on setting user controls for your electronics with no test equipment, except possibly a color filter. The HDTV Calibration video by HD Nation in the HDMV and AVCHD versions can give new users some information on the most common display settings, or the Related Links can take MP4 users to the online episodes. The remaining sections are meant for taking measurements from the display, with a colorimeter or spectroradiometer, using software like ColorHCFR, CalMAN, or ChromaPure. Further details for using the downloads to calibrate your digital display are covered in the Patterns Manual, and everyone is encouraged to download a copy of the basic instructions for using the patterns.



DOWNLOADS Updated November 30, 2010
Directly below you will find the project downloads. The HDMV and AVCHD versions are intended for playback on Blu-ray players, the MP4 version is compatible with many HD media players, and a Patterns Manual is included with recommendations for using the patterns. Following the downloads an area titled Steps To Use The Downloads explains the general process to create a playable disc. A more specific procedure is given under Example For Windows Computers to create a disc for Blu-ray players. The Download Notes area simply includes some additional details, such as general system requirements and troubleshooting information. For anyone that wants to create a disc for a Blu-ray player, you may want to start with the Blu-ray Players List at the end of this post, to determine if you should download the HDMV or AVCHD version.

HDMV (.exe) or HDMV (.7z) - See Download Note A
Iso MD5: ad5006398671a54f96c314a3425621b0 - See Download Note D
Plays on: Most Blu-ray players from BD-RE or BD-R media. See the Blu-ray Players List at the end of this post for more information on compatibility.
Burn to: BD-RE or BD-R media with a Blu-ray burner.
Note: This is a Blu-ray format, and it is primarily intended for BD-RE or BD-R media. If you only have access to a DVD burner, please check your player for AVCHD compatibility first. Some Blu-ray players do not support AVCHD and can play this version if burned to DVD media with a DVD burner, which will be listed as the DVDM option in the Blu-ray Players List.
Includes: All content and features available from AVS HD 709, as shown in the Patterns Manual.

AVCHD (.exe) or AVCHD (.7z) - See Download Note A
Iso MD5: 654920d1f3f1182423ecfbb75ff52263 - See Download Note D
Plays on: Many AVCHD compatible Blu-ray players. The Blu-ray Players List at the end of this post includes more information to determine if your Blu-ray player supports this download.
Burn to: DVD writable media with a DVD burner.
Note: When using DVD media some players will only be able to play either the AVCHD or HDMV, and the other version will not work from DVD media. For example the PS3 can only play the AVCHD from DVD media, and some Samsung models also only play one version version from DVD media. Technically the AVCHD includes extended information and omits the AUXDATA, BDJO, JAR, and CERTIFICATE folders, which can affect playback from DVD media on some players.
Includes: Most content available from AVS HD 709. Refer to the Patterns Manual for more information.
Not Included: Some Misc. Patterns, such as the Mpeg2 video from dr1394, and the top navigation selections from the HDMV menus.

MP4 (.exe) or MP4 (.7z)
Plays on: Many MPEG-4 AVC or H.264 video players. For example computer video players, or the Xbox 360 after an online update. See the player specifications for types of video supported.
Media: Depends on player, for example the Xbox 360 can play files from DVD media.
Includes: Individual AVC video test clips in an MP4 container. Limitations are listed in the next line, and the Patterns Manual includes further details.
Not Included: Menus and navigation features, the HDTV Calibration video from HD Nation (see Related Links), or Misc. Patterns Mpeg2 video from dr1394.

PATTERNS MANUAL (.pdf)
Note: Regardless which of the above versions you choose, please download the PDF document for general information about the patterns and recommendations on how to use the video sections. If you require further information about taking measurements, please see the documentation for the software you are using or refer to the Related Links area of this post. The pictures included in the Patterns Manual come from the HDMV version, and the AVCHD or MP4 version will not include a few features as commented above with the downloads.

ALTERNATE DOWNLOAD LINKS
Note: If you happen to encounter any issues downloading from the prior links, the files are also available at http://W6RZ.net/



STEPS TO USE THE DOWNLOADS
1) Choose a version: Decide on either the HDMV, AVCHD, or MP4 version depending on what HD player you want to use. HDMV will be compatible with the largest number of Blu-ray players if burned to BD-RE or BD-R media, so if you have access to a Blu-ray burner typically you would choose the HDMV version. There are many Blu-ray players today that are AVCHD compatible, so for people that want to calibrate from a Blu-ray player and only have a DVD burner the AVCHD would often be the version to choose. Burning HDMV to DVD media will not be as widely compatible as either of the prior choices, but if you only have access to a DVD burner it may work for a few Blu-ray players that are not AVCHD compatible. The Blu-ray Players List at the end of this post gives more information on how to select a version for your Blu-ray player. The MP4 version is intended for applications other than calibration with a Blu-ray player, such as some digital media players that can play AVC video. In any case your player must be able to play true high definition video, such as a Blu-ray or HD media player. None of the versions will work on standard DVD players, or upconverting DVD players, because those players cannot play actual HD video.

2) Download a compressed file and manual: Select either the .exe or .7z file to download, according to the computer operating system you are using. The .exe will work on Windows. The .7z is not system-specific, so it will work with Windows, Linux, or Mac with additional software. The HDMV or AVCHD can usually be downloaded with web browsers. Using a download manager that supports resuming (like Orbit Downloader) is another option to make sure you receive a complete file, and a download manager may also provide the fastest possible download speed. The downloads will take some time to finish, especially the HDMV or AVCHD version. How long the downloads take will depend on various factors, but a 6 Mbps connection might take at least 15 minutes. At this time, please also download the Patterns Manual, for some basic details on how to use the patterns.

3) Decompress the download: If you downloaded the .exe, Windows should decompress the file by double-clicking on it. There have been a few reports of the .exe failing to work, so if the .exe happens to fail on your Windows system you might instead try the .7z version. For the .7z, you will also need the free 7-zip software to decompress or extract the file. Here is a description for Mac, or Rucksack was also suggested for .7z decompression on Mac. The decompressed HDMV or AVCHD file requires approximately 4.4 GB of free space on a modern file system (See Download Note A). The MP4 download will decompress to video files and folders. If you happen to run into issues with this step, it could be due to an incomplete download, so please refer to Download Note B.

4) Burn a disc: The HDMV or AVCHD requires you to burn a disc after decompressing the downloaded file. This step does not necessarily apply to the MP4 version, but for the Xbox 360 you can simply burn the files to a writable DVD. The AVCHD version is intended to be burned to DVD media with a DVD burner. HDMV is intended to be burned to BD-RE or BD-R with a Blu-ray burner, but there are a few players that are not AVCHD compatible and can play HDMV if burned to DVD media with a DVD burner (DVDM option). Our recommendation is to use ImgBurn as shown below in the Example For Windows Computers for burning .iso files to disc. Windows Vista Service Pack 2 and Windows 7 or 8 also allow you to burn an .iso file to disc by right-clicking on the file from Windows Explorer, or this link gives step by step instructions for burning an .iso image with a number of Windows programs. On Mac an .iso can be burned directly from the disc utility application.



EXAMPLE FOR WINDOWS COMPUTERS
The following procedure shows how to apply the prior steps for a computer running Windows. You can follow this example to create any of the HDMV, AVCHD, or DVDM options shown in the Blu-ray Players List.

1) Choosing a version: You may want to refer to the Blu-ray Players List at the end of this post to find which version your player likely supports. Consulting the specifications or manual for the Blu-ray player is another way to determine what version the device may play. Many newer Blu-ray players will list AVCHD support in their manual or specifications, and HDMV compatibility would generally be indicated if the player lists BD-RE or BD-R playback. For the AVCHD version you will need writable DVD media and a DVD burner. The HDMV version is primarily intended to be burned to BD-RE or BD-R media with a Blu-ray burner, but some players can play HDMV burned to DVD media with a DVD burner (DVDM option). For this example, let's say you own a PS3 and only have access to a DVD burner. Judging by the Blu-ray Players List the PS3 supports the AVCHD version, so in this example we will show how to create an AVCHD version disc that will play on the PS3.

2) Downloading a compressed file and manual: If your computer is running Windows, you can likely use the .exe download. Since the AVCHD version has been selected for this example, the AVCHD (.exe) link above in the Downloads area would allow you to begin downloading the compressed file. Usually a web browser will work for downloading, but if you encounter issues you may need to use software intended for downloading large files. Using a download manager that supports resuming (like Orbit Downloader) is one option to make sure you receive a complete file, and a download manager may also provide the fastest possible download speed. The downloads will take some time to finish, for example a 6 Mbps connection might take at least 15 minutes. At this time you should also download the Patterns Manual, to have some basic instructions for the disc.

3) Decompressing the download: Once you have downloaded the file for the option you selected, just double-click on it and you should get a window asking where to extract the file. Choose a location by clicking on the "..." button at the right, or using the written path displayed in the window (such as C:\\ in the image below). The location you choose requires a modern file system and must have about 4.4 GB of free space (See Download Note A). Once you have chosen a location, click the extract button. When the program is done decompressing, you will have a large .iso file in the directory you selected. If you are not presented with the following window after double-clicking on the .exe file, refer to Download Note B.


4) Burning a disc: We will use ImgBurn to create a disc in this example. On opening the program choose the Tools menu and go to Settings.


Switch to Page 2 and add check marks to Calculate MD5 Hash Values and Compare MD5 Hash Values.


Press ok after making the settings changes to return to the main screen, and select the Write image file to disc option.


Next under Source, click on the left yellow folder, and then select the .iso file from step 3.


Once you insert writable media in your burner, the program is ready to create the disc. Click the button in the bottom left, and the program will burn the image to disc. This will take some time to complete.


When ImgBurn finishes burning and checking the disc, review the ImgBurn Log for the Device MD5 and Image MD5. If the values match with the Iso MD5 listed for the version you downloaded, then the download, decompression, and burn were all successful. If the values from ImgBurn do not match those listed for the download files, then some part of the process may have encountered issues and you might want to try downloading again. If you plan to use ImgBurn for other tasks, you may want to uncheck the Calculate MD5 Hash Values and Compare MD5 Hash Values settings.




DOWNLOAD NOTES
A) The HDMV or AVCHD download will decompress to a file about 4.4 GB in size. Recent versions of Windows, Linux, and Mac all use default file systems that will work for decompression. FAT32 formatted hard disks do not work for decompression, because FAT32 has a smaller file size limit. In Windows Explorer you can right-click on a hard disk and select properties to see the file system. If your hard disks have been formatted as FAT32 you will need another location for the decompressed file. Flash media drives of 8 GB or larger will work for decompression, when formatted to a modern file system such as NTFS, HFS+, or ext2. If you have more than one optical disc drive, another option would be decompressing to DVD media.

B) In order for the .exe or .7z decompression to work, you must download the entire file. Using software intended for large file downloads may help, if you have issues using a web browser. One of the many download managers that support resuming downloads is a way to make sure you receive the complete file, and a download manager may also provide the fastest speed available for your current connection. If you live in the United States many public libraries provide high speed internet access suitable for downloading. Directly below the file sizes for the HDMV and AVCHD downloads are listed. You can use these sizes to check if you have downloaded the entire file. For example, in Windows Explorer if you right-click on a file and go to properties the size listed in bytes should match the following values.
- HDMV-2d.exe (498,619,363 bytes)
- HDMV-2d.7z (498,456,547 bytes)
- AVCHD-2d.exe (625,325,484 bytes)
- AVCHD-2d.7z (625,162,668 bytes)

C) If a disc would happen to be unable to play on an HD player that other people are able to use, our typical method of troubleshooting would be first to check that the player's firmware is current, make sure you have selected an appropriate version for your player, and then to try to eliminate disc or computer problems. Common suggestions would be to try a different disc type or brand, burn at a slower speed, or try burning from a different computer. You might also want to check the MD5 hash from the uncompressed .iso file or burned disc. If none of this helps and you would like further feedback on playback problems please list which version you downloaded, the software you are using for burning, and your HD player model.

D) MD5 Hashes can be used to check the integrity of the decompressed .iso file for HDMV and AVCHD versions. MD5summer is an example of a Windows program that can be used to create an MD5 sum. Some software solutions, such as ImgBurn, will also be able to provide an MD5 comparison for a burned disc. A description for using ImgBurn to check MD5 Hashes on a newly burned disc is included in the Example For Windows Computers.

E) Because of the UDF format used for HDMV and AVCHD versions, some computer operating systems like Windows XP will not be able to read a burned disc. The only thing that matters is if a compatible HD player can read the disc. Please do not consider a disc unplayable unless a Blu-ray player can not play it. Even if a computer cannot read the HDMV, AVCHD, or DVDM disc, a Blu-ray player may still be able to read the disc.

F) BD-R LTH Type media is not recommended for HDMV burning, unless you know that the equipment you use supports the discs. This Wikipedia entry reports the PS3 as able to read the discs, but generally BD-R LTH Type discs are not recommended due to possible compatibility issues with some Blu-ray players or burners.

G) LZMA (7-zip) compression is used instead of a more common format like .zip due to efficiency. During testing the download files have been substantially smaller using 7-zip for compression.



KNOWN ISSUES
1) While the majority of recent Blu-ray players can play at least one version, not every Blu-ray player will be able to play the downloads. The only way to support all Blu-ray players would be through Blu-ray replication, and the fees are prohibitive for the original purpose of this project.

2) No patterns are included for items such as audio synchronization, motion resolution, noise reduction, or 50% and 25% colors. At this time no further revisions are planned, yet users may contribute items to the project they consider possibly useful additions.

3) Panasonic players using the AVCHD version may find that the HDTV Calibration video lacks chapter skips and a popup menu. The top menu button on the remote should still return to the main menu, and fast forward or rewind should be able to move through the HDTV Calibration video. Some Panasonic players have been reported to be unable to output the AVCHD as 24p video. At the current time we are not aware of an alternate AVCHD authoring method to solve these reported issues on Panasonic players. The HDMV version burned to BD-RE or BD-R with a Blu-ray burner should include the chapter skips and a popup menu and be able to output 24p on the same Panasonic players.

4) TotalMedia Theatre 5.0.1.80 (November 17, 2010) cannot play the HDMV or AVCHD discs. TotalMedia Theatre 5.0.1.86 has been reported to correct the issue, and it can play the HDMV or AVCHD discs. TotalMedia Theatre 6.0.1.119 was able to play the AVCHD or HDMV from disc, but it was unable to play virtually mounted discs. TotalMeida Theatre has generally been capable of playing the HDMV image mounted with the latest version of Virtual CloneDrive, and some versions of the program can also play the HDMV folders from a hard disk.



REPLIES TO QUESTIONS
- Will AVS HD 709 play on the Xbox 360?
- How do I set a Playstation 3 to output standard video levels?
- Can I use this disc for adjusting controls that affect the shade of gray, such as white balance, gain, offset, or bias?
- Why might other calibration patterns, like Digital Video Essentials, result in a different brightness setting on some displays?
- How does video usually play back on a computer?
- Plasma: pattern size for measurements
- Will there be a future version with small windows for plasma measurements?
- I would like some different patterns. How do I create my own calibration disc?



RELATED LINKS
- Display Calibration - Part I - Basic Settings Guide
- Greyscale & Colour Calibration For Dummies - Measurements Guide
- Basic Guide to Color Calibration using a CMS - Measurements Guide
- HDTV Calibration 101: Part 1 - Segment from HD Nation
- HDTV Calibration Part 2: Brightness and Contrast - Segment from HD Nation
- HDTV Calibration Part 3: Color and Tint - Segment from HD Nation
- HDTV Calibration Part 4: Sharpness - Segment from HD Nation



ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
The AVS HD 709 patterns are offered free for personal use. As the authors, hwjohn and myself request any redistribution to retain the credits, which are included in the menus or as a text file in the MP4 version. This project started from input by dr1394 (W6RZ.net), including the program used to convert images. We would like to thank 3no, dr1394, GetGray (calibrate.tv), Imatest.com, J. Vincent, and WalVisions.com for allowing us to include their patterns. We appreciate Mathias Mahling (chokemaniac.net) for providing the original logo design. Thank you to Revision3 and HD Nation for allowing us to include the HDTV Calibration video. Thanks to Hank315 (HC Encoder) for the help, including a special build that was used for HD DVD Mpeg-2 encoding. Credit also goes to kchung for the original disc label layout. Some software that proved valuable includes 7-Zip, AVIsynth, BDedit, ImgBurn, MeGUI, multiAVCHD, and x264. Caramella font from dafont.com has been used in the project. Also thank you to the creators of ColorHCFR for the free calibration program that got the project started, CalMAN and ChromaPure for incentive to continue making changes, the AVS Forum for making the project possible, everyone that supplied feedback, and certainly the numerous others we tried to learn from in the process. If you would like to contribute to AVS HD 709, please support one of the projects that have helped us.



BLU-RAY PLAYERS LIST
Information specific to different Blu-ray player models will be listed below. Any players not listed simply indicates no one has replied about the player, and it is newer than the models available when the list was first compiled. Newer Blu-ray players can usually play HDMV burned to BD-RE or BD-R with a Blu-ray burner, and many current models are compatible with AVCHD. Only a few older model players are known to be unable to play any version, and the models are noted in the list. It is common for brands to often support similar playback across different models. If you purchase a newer player than the ones listed, you might first check to see what previous models have supported. For example we would expect newer Panasonic and Sony models to play HDMV or AVCHD based on support in previous models.

If you have access to a Blu-ray burner, the first choice is typically to download the HDMV version and burn it to BD-RE or BD-R media. The choice of HDMV on BD-RE or BD-R will have the best compatibility with the largest number of players, and it includes all the features available from this project. You may want to avoid BD-R LTH Type media when burning the HDMV version, because BD-R LTH Type media could be incompatible with some Blu-ray burners or players. For anyone with access to a Blu-ray burner, most often the recommendation is to burn the HDMV to BD-RE or BD-R media, but you may want to check the list below first for further information.

If you only have access to a DVD burner the choice becomes more complicated, because manufacturers do not all agree on a common format for HD video on DVD media. Many current players are AVCHD compatible and will play the AVCHD download, while other players do not support AVCHD and they may play HDMV from DVD media (DVDM listing). Typically players that support AVCHD will list compatibility somewhere in the manual, specifications, or they may even show the AVCHD logo on the player. The AVCHD version burned to DVD media is widely accepted by many newer players, and it will generally be compatible with the largest number of Blu-ray players when using DVD media. Primarily the DVDM option listed below is intended for DVD media playback when AVCHD is not supported by the player, such as some Denon and Magnavox models. For anyone that only has access to a DVD burner, the typical recommendation is to first check if the player can play AVCHD, yet the list below also includes an option for HDMV on DVD media (DVDM listing) and feedback from other users.

BLU-RAY BURNER:
HDMV - Indicates the HDMV version burned to BD-RE or BD-R media with a Blu-ray burner should play. Typically HDMV on BD-RE or BD-R will be compatible with more players than any other version.

DVD BURNER:
AVCHD - Indicates the AVCHD version burned to DVD media with a DVD burner should play. Overall AVCHD will be compatible with the largest number of players when using DVD media.
DVDM - Indicates the HDMV version burned to DVD media with a DVD burner should play. Some players lacking AVCHD support can use HDMV on DVD media, such as certain Denon, Magnavox, and Insignia models.

A question mark (?) below indicates the version might play, but currently no one has tested the player and replied. If a version name is missing for the model number, then the player has been reported as unable to play the version. Notes are provided for any additional comments about the player. If you test a Blu-ray player and have information to add, please reply so the list can be updated for other users.

ArcSoft TotalMedia
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM?
- See Known Issue #4

Corel WinDVD Pro 2010
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Cyberlink PowerDVD
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM?
- HDMV will also play with latest Virtual CloneDrive

Denon DBP-2010
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Denon DVD-1800BDCI
- HDMV?, DVDM?

Denon DVD-2500BTCI
- HDMV, DVDM

Denon DVD-3800BD
- HDMV?, DVDM?

Dune BD Prime
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM

Insignia NS-BRDVD
- HDMV?, AVCHD?, DVDM?

Insignia NS-2BRDVD
- HDMV?, DVDM?

Insignia NS-BDLIVE01
- HDMV, DVDM

Insignia NS-WBRDVD
- HDMV?

JVC XV-BP1
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

LG BH100
- Not expected to play any version

LG BH200
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM

LG BD270
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

LG BD300
- HDMV, AVCHD

LG BD370
- HDMV?, DVDM?

LG BD390
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM

LG BD550
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

LG BP530
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Loewe BluTech Vision
- Not expected to play any version

Magnavox NB500MG9
- HDMV, DVDM

Magnavox NB530MGX
- HDMV, DVDM

Memorex MVBD-2510
- HDMV?, AVCHD?, DVDM?

Memorex MVBD-2511
- HDMV?, AVCHD?, DVDM?

Microsoft Xbox One
- AVCHD

Olevia BDP-110
- HDMV?, AVCHD?, DVDM?

OPPO BDP-83
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM
- AVCHD will also play from USB thumb drive

OPPO BDP-93
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM
- AVCHD will also play from USB thumb drive

Panasonic DMP-BD10K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD30K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD35K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD50K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD55K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD60K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD65K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD80K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BD85K
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BDT100
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BDT210
- HDMV, AVCHD

Panasonic DMP-BDT310
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Panasonic DMP-BDT350
- HDMV, AVCHD
- See Known Issue #3

Philips BDP3020/F7
- HDMV, DVDM
- DVDM does not work with 1.026 firmware

Philips BDP7200
- HDMV?, DVDM?

Philips BDP7500B2
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM

Philips BDP9000
- HDMV, AVCHD?, DVDM

Pioneer BDP-05FD
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-51FD
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-LX70A
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-LX71
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-LX80
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-LX91
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-94HD
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Pioneer BDP-320
- AVCHD, DVDM?

Samsung BD-C5900
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Samsung BD-C5500
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Samsung BD-C6500
- HDMV, DVDM

Samsung BD-C6800
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Samsung BD-C6900
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Samsung BD-P1000
- Not expected to play any version

Samsung BD-P1200
- HDMV?, AVCHD?, DVDM?

Samsung BD-P1400
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Samsung BD-P1500
- HDMV?, AVCHD

Samsung BD-P1600
- HDMV, AVCHD

Samsung BD-P2500
- HDMV?, AVCHD

Samsung BD-P2550
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM
- Playback issue reported with movie frames and DVD media

Samsung BD-P3600
- HDMV, AVCHD

Samsung BD-P4600
- HDMV?, AVCHD?, DVDM?

Samsung BD-UP5000
- HDMV?
- May not play any version

Sharp BD-HP20U
- Not expected to play any version

Sharp BD-HP21U
- Not expected to play any version

Sharp BD-HP24U
- HDMV?, AVCHD, DVDM?

Sony BDP-BX1
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S1
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S270
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S300
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S301
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S350
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S360
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S370
- HDMV, AVCHD

Sony BDP-S500
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S550
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S570
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S590
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM?

Sony BDP-S1000ES
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S5000ES
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-CX7000ES
- HDMV, AVCHD, DVDM

Sony BDP-S6200
- HDVM, AVCHD, DVDM?

Sony PlayStation 3
- HDMV, AVCHD
- Use Square button for popups with the AVCHD

Splash PRO
- AVCHD
- Playback supported with version 1.4.1
 
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Originally Posted by alluringreality /forum/post/12712390


Google shows your TV is a LCD RPTV, so it's probably a digital TV and the clipping pattern might apply. If you turn down contrast (maybe picture being a Sony) and still can't see flashing bars on either the second or thrid pattern, then I'd guess something would be clipping the top-end of the grayscale. Some digital TVs have controls that can clip the top-end of the grayscale, and some sources might clip the top-end of the grayscale. I've never seen your TV and you don't list the source so I really can't make much of a guess why you wouldn't be seeing the bars. With typical settings neither my TV or sources clip the grayscale, and only my computer expands levels and clips by default.

Sorry for the lack of information in my post!


Yes, my Sony 42" GWIII (42WE610) is a 3 LCD RPTV that is about 4 years old. Source is a Toshiba HD-A3 via HDMI-DVI. I tried turning the picture control all the way down and could still not make out any flashing. Not a big deal, but I'm interested in why this might be.

On the other hand, my 50" SXRD (KDS50A2020) was just deilvered to my house according to my wife, so I'll give this test disc a good run through with the new set!


Thanks again for such a great FREE resource!
 
#253 ·
Late to this party too, but:

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If anyone is familiar with open-source patterns for setting sharpness, like ISO 12233, IEEE, or EIA, I would be interested to hear about it.

Might want to PM AussieBob. I beleive he has some IIRC. Someone just sent me some recently, I'll look for them and see if I kept them. In any event Bob's a optical (lens) person. Probably good to engage if he is able to participate.


Also, if there's something on my DVD you want to include, I will donate the Photoshop RGB frames. But the patterns are precise cut on 8 pixel boundaries for their resolution(s). They'd have to be tweaked.


I haven't seen the disc yet, but as 2.35 systems are my focus now, I'd sure like to see a "2.35" pattern.



Best, Scott
 
#254 ·
Also, a recommendation from experience. When you think th etime is right, start a thread on "using the AVS HD DVD", "burning the AVS HD DVD" and keep one for "DVD development ONLY". Point the "how do I adjust my Samsung model x?" questions from noobs (and others) there. Keep the development thread as clean as you can so the generous technical folks like Ron don't have to muddle through the other stuff as much. My thread got a little long
even with ponting people to seperate threads.
 
#255 ·

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Originally Posted by audiolab1 /forum/post/12753485


Source is a Toshiba HD-A3 via HDMI-DVI.

I don't remember, what are the issues with the Toshibas over DVI? This sort of thing can be difficult to troubleshoot third-person, but I'd probably see what happens using component. That's the first thing that comes to mind, so I'd start there.


For the Sony SXRDs there have been reports that the sub-contrast in the service menu can affect clipping, but that's not exactly the behavior I saw on the A2000. I suppose it's possible the Sony might have user menu controls that would clip, but the SXRDs don't have anything like that. Based on the 3 Toshiba HD DVD players I've used, I can't really expect the A3 would have controls that would clip. Basically the long-standing problem reported about the Toshibas and DVI is the only thing that really comes to mind, but I've only used HDMI so I don't know what that problem was about.
 
#256 ·

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Originally Posted by GetGray /forum/post/12753612


if there's something on my DVD you want to include, I will donate the Photoshop RGB frames...


I haven't seen the disc yet, but as 2.35 systems are my focus now, I'd sure like to see a "2.35" pattern.

Thanks for the offer.


I take it with 2.35 you're talking aspect ratios for front projectors. I'm not sure if commercial disks are encoded at 1080p with black or if they're at a different resolution. By what I've seen in documentation I would guess they're 1080p and in that case it probably wouldn't be a big deal to include. Looking at the Wiki, I'm not even sure what the height you would be talking with the mention of both 2.35 and 2.39 ratios. If you want to submit some sort of image that would prove useful for your application we'll consider it.
 
#257 ·

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Originally Posted by GetGray /forum/post/12753686


Also, a recommendation from experience... Keep the development thread as clean as you can so the generous technical folks like Ron don't have to muddle through the other stuff as much.

I've just been trying to keep the original post up to date. I'm not very good at reading through threads that I don't look at regularly, so I don't necessarily intend anything past the first couple posts to be too important. Most of the development items have been done outside of the forum. There for a bit there was some talk, but generally there have been few comments regarding the known issues section. I figure if we run into anything serious it will show up in the known issues. Aside from the 24p item, most of that section hasn't much changed since the first disk was released.


Thanks for the idea about the sharpness pattern. I think for now we'll probably release a pattern based on the Imatest image on the next disk and see what people have to say about that. I seem to get very similar settings using it as I do with DVE HD or the Sony Blu-ray pattern. The more I looked at the images geared more toward cameras I found that they tend to show a lot of scaling issues at 1080p. For example I'm almost sure the Sony Stars have a number of effects of scaling in the original image from the 12233 pattern and some of the slanted lines are a complete mess if I remember correctly.
 
#258 ·
Re the 2.35 thing. A pattern like the "alignment" pattern on my DVD. It is nothing special. Just a static pattern with "marks" where a 2.35 movie would appear within the 16:9 frame. This so when the image is "stretched" by video processor, the "2.35" lines mark the edges of the screen (or where the screen should be).


Best, Scott
 
#259 ·

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Originally Posted by GetGray /forum/post/12753612


Late to this party too, but:


But the patterns are precise cut on 8 pixel boundaries for their resolution(s).


Best, Scott

Why?


By the way, thanks for the input and the offer for patterns.
 
#261 ·

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Originally Posted by GetGray /forum/post/12756566


Mostly because Ron told me to
. It's to minimize anti-aliasing at color boundaries with mpeg2 encding IIRC.

Ok, thats what I was thinking but wanted to verify. I think we decided that it would be too aggravating to go back and do our patterns that way. Arranging it that way makes sure that the color boundaries fall on macro block boundaries and makes it a little easier for the encoder because every macroblock is a single color (for simple patterns such as color bars).


Haven't seen Ron around for a while to correct me... guess I need to do some more stuff wrong
 
#262 ·
re macroblock boundaries, yes, that was it exactly.


re the 2.35 pattern, this is what I meant. This one isn't anything fancy, it was hard to get someting decent to reproduce well with mpeg2 at SD res. The blue lines should move to the top and bottom of the 16:9 screen when the image is scaled in preparation for an anamorphic lens ad subsequent "Cinemascope" presentation in the home:

 
#264 ·
On SXRD I expect you would find that windows or fields hardly differ. The 100% window might have a slightly higher Y, but it's probably not exactly going to show up much in gamma. Looking at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=958099 it seems that your measuring device might have a bigger effect on the measured result than the choice of window or field based on what I've seen from SXRD measurements. The impression I've got is that windows might be slightly closer to the requirements of most program material and present fewer problems for certain display devices, so generally that's why the disk is centered around using windows.
 
#266 ·

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Originally Posted by ragingd /forum/post/12790708


Thanks. The reason asked the question is because of the iris on the sony sxrd. From what I hear the iris needs to be measured with Full field patterns. If thats the case than I would need a full set of full field patterns to measure the gamma curve.

You should measure gamma on the Sony with the Iris fixed, not one of the Auto modes.
 
#269 ·

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Originally Posted by hwjohn /forum/post/12748740


We are 99.9999% confident on the accuracy of the patterns on disc. They have been checked and rechecked by different people in YCbCr space, not by looking at a display. No one else has reported anything being off, and the measurements you get with AVS HD fall right in line with those from DVE/Avia.


If your source is accurate and the pattern shows 60 is where your brightness should be, then that is the right setting. It might be gray on an LCD, but that is just a consequence of most LCDs. Look at the pattern again with your brightness set to 40. You most likely won't be able to make out any of the bars flashing above 16 (you should be able to), which means you are clipping grays. On the flashing black pattern, 17 is the first bar you should see flashing. Anything 16 or below shouldn't flash.


We are definetely open to feedback (either bad or good), but before I made statements like "this disc isn't worthy," I would at least use another calibration disc to verify. Don't be surprised if every pattern on this disc "disagrees" with an "eyeball" method.


EDIT: I have never owned an LCD, but have you tried adjusting the backlight down?

ok i exaggerated its not exactly gray at 60 but no jet black like at 40. if you check the 5271 thread you will find all of the calibrations posted never go above 50 brightness on this set, even ones where people used pro tools.
 
#270 ·

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Originally Posted by ooms /forum/post/12793636


ok i exaggerated its not exactly gray at 60 but no jet black like at 40. if you check the 5271 thread you will find all of the calibrations posted never go above 50 brightness on this set, even ones where people used pro tools.

Well I, for one, do have brightness above 50, I know what I am doing, and I use pro tools (though brightness does not need to be measured).


I keep saying EVERY SET IS DIFFERENT!
 
#271 ·

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Originally Posted by davehancock /forum/post/12793889


Well I, for one, do have brightness above 50, I know what I am doing, and I use pro tools (though brightness does not need to be measured).


I keep saying EVERY SET IS DIFFERENT!

True. My XBR4 (which is highly regarded for it's black levels for an LCD) is set at 55 or 57 I believe. I have the backlight pretty low, though, and power saving helps out.


Brandon
 
#272 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by ooms /forum/post/12793636


ok i exaggerated its not exactly gray at 60 but no jet black like at 40. if you check the 5271 thread you will find all of the calibrations posted never go above 50 brightness on this set, even ones where people used pro tools.

I don't know anything about your set. I just know that the pattern is accurate. As Dave stated, you don't need tools to set brightness, just a good pattern and some knowledge.
 
#273 ·
I burnt the DVD and popped it in my PS3 and now...I'm LOST!


Could somebody explain, to a complete idiot mind you, which tests do you adjust brightness, tint, sharpness, color, etc. Basically, a step by step breakdown!



Is that what this DVD is for or is this something totally different?
 
#274 ·

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Originally Posted by chikin23 /forum/post/12828172


I burnt the DVD and popped it in my PS3 and now...I'm LOST!


Could somebody explain, to a complete idiot mind you, which tests do you adjust brightness, tint, sharpness, color, etc. Basically, a step by step breakdown!



Is that what this DVD is for or is this something totally different?

AVS HD isn't really geared toward beginners, but we have made some effort to make it easy to use for beginners. Start by reading the first post in this thread. There are also some good links at the bottom of that post. If you have questions after that, feel free to ask.
 
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