Been looking around for an Axiom owner's thread and didn't find one, so I created this one. I recently upgraded from a Panasonic stereo to an Epic 60-600 in a 6.1 configuration (black oak with black grills). I have yet to receive my A/V receiver (Onkyo TX-NR905) and TV (Mitsubishi WD-57833) to complete the setup. I intend to get on the the hybrid Blu-Ray / HD DVD players in the near future to complete the arrangement.
Nice to see an Axiom owners thread here. I have had my Axioms for about 3 1/2 years now and an quite satisfied with them. I have a 7.1 setup, M80 mains, VP150 center,4 QS8s and an SVS 39PCi sub. I drive all this with a NAD T773 receiver. The NAD works great with these speakers, not at all "too bright" I believe the NAD mellows that aspect some. I have an acoustically difficult, open room, 26.5 x16 over all with a vaulted ceiling, about 3500 cubic feet I guess. I have one half for the HT side and the other half a quasi living room area. The main speakers face into the vaulted ceiling peak....the room is like a big Klipsch tweeter horn! I have an on going obsession, tweaking of speaker levels, positioning, the hanging of acoustical absorbers, moving furniture etc, etc. Its getting there and I think the Axioms have never sounded better I am going to add another sub and do wish the 150 was a tad better speaker. the M80 center sounds intriguing size wise maybe a M60 would work better? Or not?
I researched for about a year before getting my HT together auditioned many different speakers the ones I really liked were outside of my budget. I took a chance on the Axioms after hearing such good reviews of them. I am glad I did. I think you would be hard pressed to find any speakers at this price point that sound as good.
Good stuff! Here is my Axiom equipped home theater. The whole project was sparked by a purchase of M22s (got it cheap via e-bay). The M22's have been performing quite well, (HSU VTF3.3 for the low end) so I don't think I'll be upgrading any time soon. Next purchase will be QS8s to replace the Bose satellites being used as surrounds
I normally can be found in the NHT thread but since I just ordered a pair of QS8s I figured i'd pop in and say "howdy". Ive been searching for rear speakers for a bit to complement my NHT Classic 4 fronts and NHT Classic 3 center. Though I could have p/u an NHT set of direct radiating rears my seating arrangement dictated a bipolar/dipolar rear solution which the Axioms provide. Having read the reviews im very excited to hear them in action.
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Good stuff! Here is my Axiom equipped home theater. The whole project was sparked by a purchase of M22s (got it cheap via e-bay). The M22's have been performing quite well, (HSU VTF3.3 for the low end) so I don't think I'll be upgrading any time soon. Next purchase will be QS8s to replace the Bose satellites being used as surrounds
very cool. my HT just got rolling today. i have m22s, the 150, and qs8s with and eD a2-300 sub. i am strictly moives and after 5 hours with limited tweaking i can not believe how this system rocks. a more complete high end / axiom speaker noob post will be coming.
I have I have the same setup as your proposed one except that I have M80's instead of 22's. I LOVE the QS8's, they are very very nice surround speakers. 150 is nice as well (as far as centers go). The EP500 is a *very* nice sub. The scene in Transformers where Ironhide somersaults over the (non) screaming woman is positively scary! The thunderstorm scene in Flight of the Phoenix is also scary! It is a very very very very nice sub. I could not be happier with my setup. I've used both Marantz 8001, 8002 and Denon 3808 with this setup.
Bit the bullet and now own a pair of m60s, qs8s and a vp150. Really really happy with them. The sound is incredible and they (just the normal vinyl) look really good.
I wonder if anyones done a DIY stand for the qs8s? The official ones are a little pricey
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Hey guys,
Bit the bullet and now own a pair of m60s, qs8s and a vp150. Really really happy with them. The sound is incredible and they (just the normal vinyl) look really good.
I wonder if anyones done a DIY stand for the qs8s? The official ones are a little pricey
[I just quickly scanned this entire thread, so please excuse me if this question has been covered].
I have been using Pinnacle PN8+s for my L/R mains and one of them recently died.
After considerable research, I'm very close to ordering three (3) M22s and have a few questions:
1: I had been hoping to get some THX certified speakers but I just can't justify spending $2,000 ++ on three speakers. Will the M22s play cleanly at a decent (100 db+) level in a fairly 'live' room?
(I just bought two Mackie FR2500 pro amps, so power requirement isn't an issue!).
2: Will they be ok hanging from the ceiling? I really can't use stands because we have limited floor space and three large dogs.
3: If I do hang them, I'm thinking that the center should be inverted to get the tweeter as close to the center of the TV screen as possible. Does that sound reasonable?
4: If the center is hung upside down, should the L+R be also? That might minimize any negative effects of the highs bouncing off the ceiling (which in my old log cabin is floor joists and the underside of the upstairs floor boards).
5: If they are all suspended from the ceiling (especially if 2 or all three are 'right side up') I may not be able to get the tweeters a ear level without the speaker cabinets getting in our way and being susceptible to damage. Is it generally considered ok to angle the cabinet so that the tweeter is directed down (or up for floor standing cabinets) or is that a big no-no?
I know the M22s won't go much below 60 Hz. I'm using an old subwoofer and plan to get a new one -- probably an SVS 20-39CS Plus (since I have an extra channel of amplification).
The surrounds are small Maggies.
Thanks in advance for any help or ideas you might have.
I am thinking of changing my home theater from 5.1 to 7.1. I am still trying to figure out the 7.1 codecs to see if it would be beneficial. The other item that I am struggling with is the selection of the rear surrounds. I have never heard the Axiom but I am reading good thing about them. My current setup is Paradigm Studio 40 for front, Studio 20 for surround, a cc for the front driven by a Pioneer Elite VSX-84. I was thinking of using a pair of M3v2 as the rear.
Is there a big difference in timbre between Axiom and Paradigm Studios?
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My current setup is Paradigm Studio 40 for front, Studio 20 for surround, a cc for the front driven by a Pioneer Elite VSX-84. I was thinking of using a pair of M3v2 as the rear.
Is there a big difference in timbre between Axiom and Paradigm Studios?
Read my post from 2/17. I sent back an Epic 60-500. They are a good value, but for the money I expected to be blown away. What I figured out is that I have expensive taste in speakers. I am currently home auditioning a set of Studio 100 v4s. The sound is a world apart from the Axiom M60s (as it should be for 2.5x the cost). The biggest difference is level of detail and ability to fill the room.
Since you are asking about the rears, may not be a big difference, but I would stay with the Studios for consistency. You didn't mention your room configuration, but I found that the Axiom dipoles did a good job. I will likely keep the 100s, add a CC-690 and the ADP 590s with a JL f113. I am going to more than double my Axiom budget, but I don't plan on doing this again for a long time. Hope that helps.
I spoke with 'Brent' at Axiom a little while ago and he answered a lot of my questions from post #187 above.
[Keep in mind that I'm just passing on what I was told]:
1) According to Brent, the M22s will easily put out 106 db (assuming enough amp power). He said they are still very clear sounding at that level. He said that they are up to THX specs but Axiom (like other mfrs) didn't want to pay the licensing fees because it would increase the cost of their speakers.
2) Ceiling mount is fine.
3) Inverting them is a good idea -- particularly the center speaker, to get the tweeter close to the center of the screen.
4) The L/R should probably also be inverted for a good sound stage, but he said that the main thing was to get the tweeters all on the same plane. So, although it's not ideal, L+R _could_ be mounted 'right side up' with the center speaker inverted if all three tweeters were at the same level.
5) Brent said that ideally the tweeters should be at ear level but angling the speaker cabinet is ok, if necessary. The dispersion angle is 105 degrees, so it may not matter at a listening distance of 10 or 12 feet. He said to try it both ways and see.
He also said essentially, "the more amplifier power, the better", and that the 200 watt max spec is just a 'guideline'. He claimed that Axiom tests their speakers with 800 to 1,000 watt amps cranking heavy metal and they take it. Hard to believe, but I'm just repeating what he said.
I will most likely be suspending all of these speakers from the ceiling. Brent said they have a 1/4-20 threaded insert in the back panel that is designed to allow their wall bracket to be attached without damaging the cabinet. Unfortunately,the wall bracket won't work for a ceiling mount, and (according to Brent) the Axiom _ceiling_ mount won't work either -- apparently it isn't strong enough.
So, question: How to suspend the M22s from the ceiling? It's all wood -- no concerns about finding a stud, etc. I'd like to use the 1/4-20 insert if possible.
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So, question: How to suspend the M22s from the ceiling? It's all wood -- no concerns about finding a stud, etc. I'd like to use the 1/4-20 insert if possible.
Molly bolts! Or you can buy mounting bars that go attaches to studs horizontally so you can screw it in nice and tight. Had to use it to hang a very heavy lamp in the kitchen.
I've always thought of molly bolts as something you use in drywall. As I said, I have an old log cabin. The ceiling is the 2nd floor joists and floor boards.
Ideally, I'd like to use an adjustable bracket that will attach to the 1/4-20 threaded insert.
Getting rather frustrated this evening. I am trying to (finally) get my axioms set into position tonight and I am having a hard time. Here are my questions:
1.) When I bought my VP150 I also ordered the full metal wall mount bracket for it. Now that I took the VP150 out of the box this thing is heavy! Axiom quotes it at 21+ lbs. The bracket is supposed to hold up to 40 pounds. I guess I just want someone to tell me that they have it set up this way and it feels secure.
2.) I am planning on 7.1 surround so I have 4 QS8's for the rears. Due to restrictions in ceiling height and the riser I am concerned that people are going to clock their head on the QS8's when they are coming off the riser. I have the axiom ceiling mount brackets but I just think they are going to hang down to far. What I am looking for is a way to flush mount them to the ceiling (they will be away from side walls). Is there a way to do this with the T-shaped bracket that comes with them? Wondering how I would prevent the speaker from sliding off the bracket.
ANY ideas would be appreciated. I searched over at the axiom forums and could not come up with any specific directions for flush mounting QS8's.
Can't wait to get these puppies fired up and listen to some tunes. Thanks.
^^^^ i can help with number ONE. it will be FINE.
i mounted the same speaker with the Axiom bracket to my front wall. i too was worried about the size and wieght of the speaker. especially since i could not and did not secure the bracket to any studs. i secured it to the wall with two of those EZ Drywall Anchors that are rated to hold 50 lbs each. it has been up for a week, so far so good. seriously, it seems very secure and steady.
for number two, i have only seen the QS8s mounted with the supplied "T" wall flush mounts or ceiling brackets. i would think you could find a shorter ceiling bracket somewhere. modify the one you have? i would post this question over on the Axiom board as they are a very creative bunch.
Thanks for the reply. I posted my question number 2 over at the axiom forums so we will see what they say.
The more I think about it I may end up buying the shorter stand that they make for the VP150 instead of using the metal bracket. You have me convinved that the metal bracket will be strong enough to hold the VP150 but I am concerned that bracket does not put the speaker far enough away from the wall. It is fine with my current carada screen but I am deeply considering adding a carada masquerade system later this year. I even prewired for it in the wall. The masquerade sticks out 3.75 inches from the wall. The current wall mount FMB from axiom sticks the speaker out less than 2.5 inches. Just don't want to have any holes in the wall that need repaired down the road when I can avoid them now.
Hey, anyone want to buy an open boxed (but never used) Axiom full metal wall mount? If so let me know. Perhaps I should post it over in the classifieds.
Anyone have any ideas on my question number two above?
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The more I think about it I may end up buying the shorter stand that they make for the VP150 instead of using the metal bracket
Hey, anyone want to buy an open boxed (but never used) Axiom full metal wall mount? If so let me know. Perhaps I should post it over in the classifieds.
Have you contacted Axiom to see if they will let you exchange the bracket toward the stand?
As for question #2, you could use the T-bracket as you said and just screw something in front of it to hold it on. Try mounting them so that none of the tweeters are pointed at a seat if possible. The QS8s work best when not directly radiating (especially the tweeters) at an particular listening position.
If I had to chose I would prefer to use the ceiling bracket and try to arrange the furniture or something so people wouldn't easily be able to hit there heads. The regular ceiling brackets will better allow you to aim your speakers to get the best effect over the widest area.
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Thanks for the reply hansangb.
I've always thought of molly bolts as something you use in drywall. As I said, I have an old log cabin. The ceiling is the 2nd floor joists and floor boards.
Ideally, I'd like to use an adjustable bracket that will attach to the 1/4-20 threaded insert.
Oops. Skipped right over the log cabin part! Can't you use a brace in between your joists? When I hung up my lamp, I bought a one at home depot (it's like "the club" it expands to fit between two studs.
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