I own a 3D ready Samsung HL61A750 DLP HDTV. As many of you know, Samsung screwed over owners of their 3D ready DLPs by not making a Checkerboard Converter for owners of the TV. Mitsubishi further added salt to the wound by making their 3D Checkerboard Converter incompatible with Samsung 3D ready DLPs by adding EDID restrictions to the converter.
My Mitsubishi 3DA-1 3D Checkerboard Converter arrived today. I had previously purchased a Gefen HDMI Detective Plus and programed the EDID from a Mitsubishi 3D ready DLP into the Gefen. I hooked up my DirecTv HR24-500 to the Mitsubishi 3DA-1 Checkerboard Converter. I then hooked up the 3DA-1 to the Gefen HDMI Detective. Then I hooked up the Gefen to my Onkyo TX-SR805 A/V Receiver and ran the HDMI out to my Samsung HL61A750. I am using Samsung SSG1000 Glasses and the emitter that came with the glasses. I AM NOW ABLE TO WATCH 3D ON MY SAMSUNG HL61A750 AND THE PICTURE IS STUNNING. However, unfortunately my audio was being limited to 2.0 so I hooked up a Toslink cable from the HR24-500 to the Onkyo TX-SR805 and that solved the audio issue.
If someone can tell me how to attach an image then I will do that for everyone.
The audio plays when I connect straight through the gefen bypassing the 3da-1. It also plays when I bypass the gefen and just use the 3da-1. It's the combo of the two that cuts out the audio. I've tied a couple different cables between the 3da-1 and the gefen, but so far i've got no audio with the full setup. I wonder if this has something to do with the D* 3d compatibility issue as well.
Is your AVR conncted at all? If yes I suggest you try with it not being used. Are you getting 3D content with your 3D glases with both of the configurations you described? In theory you should get 3D content with just the adapter and with out the Gefen since you have a Mits TV but not without the adapter.
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Originally Posted by walford /forum/post/18986068
Kevin,
Is your AVR conncted at all? If yes I suggest you try with it not being used. Are you getting 3D content with your 3D glases with both of the configurations you described? In theory you should get 3D content with just the adapter and with out the Gefen since you have a Mits TV but not without the adapter.
Well, I have the sammy 61a750. I have tried without my avr. The only time I have seen 3d is with some recordings from before D* blocked out the n3D channel, and then two different times from the actual channel. (one of which was last night and it just stopped, after about an hour of viewing, and went back to the not compatible screen). HDMI audio wasn't a concern while watching because I had my optical going. I feel that there must be a connection between losing the audio and losing the 3d compatibility.
The audio is strange as it works through either the gefen or the 3da-1, but not both in line together.
In any case until you can get true 3D content from a D* 3D program with both video and audio on your SamsungTV you should not have any connections to your A/V reciver.
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Originally Posted by walford /forum/post/18986068
Kevin,
Is your AVR conncted at all? If yes I suggest you try with it not being used. Are you getting 3D content with your 3D glases with both of the configurations you described? In theory you should get 3D content with just the adapter and with out the Gefen since you have a Mits TV but not without the adapter.
Well, I have the sammy 61a750. I have tried without my avr. The only time I have seen 3d is with some recordings from before D* blocked out the n3D channel, and then two different times from the actual channel. (one of which was last night and it just stopped, after about an hour of viewing, and went back to the not compatible screen). HDMI audio wasn't a concern while watching because I had my optical going. I feel that there must be a connection between losing the audio and losing the 3d compatibility.
The audio is strange as it works through either the gefen or the 3da-1, but not both in line together.
As long as you have optical audio going to your AV player I suspect you will have problms until you every thing working correctly without your AV player involved AT ALL.
Audio and 2d pass through. 3d obviously doesn't work. For some reason, the 3da-1 won't pass audio to the gefen. Which must mean that some part of the signal is getting lost at the 3da-1, which is probably what is happening to the 3d compatibility.
Now if I can get a live channel working again, i will certainly test the hdmi audio through the 61a750 speakers. Although, the recordings from before the lockout still play, but their audio will not pass from 3da-1 to gefen either.
While trying different connection routines, I will lose audio and it is very difficult to get it back (no AVR in line). This leads me to believe that Geaux is on to something as his was working well running via his AVR after the Gefen and using the AVR to strip the audio via HDMI. He then had problems when he did not use the AVR to strip the audio. 3d back on again after he stripped the audio via AVR HDMI setting. Then recovered 5.1 sound with glorius 3d, stripping audio via Toslink. (I think that is correct.)
I have the previous Onkyo, but I think it will pass/repeat 1.3 which should work ok placed either after the Mit's adapter and the Gefen, or after the
Gefen. I hope that stripping the audio via Toslink will work.
One other possibility is that I have an earlier HR21-200, where Geaux has the HR24-. DirecTv support claims that there should be no difference, but what do they know??
The fact that prerecorded 3d is working on some where the guide claims no 3dtv connected leads me to believe that there is a software problem with the D* receivers.
ok, I finally got a 3d picture back from the actual channels. and the audio is playing straight through the 3da-1 and then the gefen to my 61a750's speakers.
the last thing i did:
all the equipment powered on.
unplugged the hdmi out from the gefen.
unplugged the 3da-1 power from the back of the box for about 30 seconds.
plugged it back in.
plugged in the gefen hdmi out.
voila.
even the menu screen is now in the checkerboard format. this is definitely new.
not sure if this will work every time, but I'm sure i'll have more chances to find out. For now, I'm not touching anything.
There must be another step or something different in there, Kevin. I just tried those same steps a few times and I'm still not getting anything.
Can you answer a couple of questions about your setup that may help with these steps?
1.) Are you using the HDCP switch on the Gefen (switches 1,2 and 3 are off, switch 4 is on)?
2.) When this started working, was your D* receiver already on? Had it been power cycled/reset within the last 10 minutes? Was this in the middle of a D* reset?
3.) Were there any other HDMI cables that became unplugged just before this process?
What I'm starting to think is that HDMI cables can carry power even when the device their plugged in to is off. This leads me to think that they can store an EDID even if only one end is plugged in. So the only way for it to really lose an EDID is for it to be unplugged at both ends at once.
Switch 4 has to be on sinc blu-ray disks requirs HDCP as do some some broadcast programs. I can not think of any reason for having it off.
The EDID data in the Gefen is stored in non-volatile memory
The HDMI cables do not carry any separate power to the Gefen it just works with the power contained with the electrical content in the video signal and in th send and receive requests that it receives.
I am embarrassed to say that I changed firmware on my HR24-500 last night and I lost my 3D signal. I have so far been unsuccessful in restoring it. I have tried the technique that Kevin recommended but so far I have been unsuccessful. I even ordered two more pairs of Samsung SSG1000 Glasses to go with my existing two pair before this happened. If I never hear the term EDID or HDMI handshake ever again in my life I may be a happy man. Is it just me or does anyone else miss analog? I am so happy all of these engineers have made our lives so easy by making all of our equipment so smart that it can talk to each other.
Kevin,
What model DirecTv receiver are you using and what is the version of the FW? If you need to PM regarding this issue then I will understand. Thanks.
I still don't know exactly why it's working, but those were the things I did just before.
A strange thing happened while watching n3D, the channel changed automatically to the channel guide. channel 200. After that, the menu became checkerboard, and the 3 3d channels turned white one at a time.
Not sure what is going to happen once I turn everything off, but I'll find out tomorrow morning as I don't plan on turning anything off until I go to bed tonight.
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Originally Posted by White_Worm /forum/post/18987014
There must be another step or something different in there, Kevin. I just tried those same steps a few times and I'm still not getting anything.
Can you answer a couple of questions about your setup that may help with these steps?
1.) Are you using the HDCP switch on the Gefen (switches 1,2 and 3 are off, switch 4 is on)?
2.) When this started working, was your D* receiver already on? Had it been power cycled/reset within the last 10 minutes? Was this in the middle of a D* reset?
3.) Were there any other HDMI cables that became unplugged just before this process?
What I'm starting to think is that HDMI cables can carry power even when the device their plugged in to is off. This leads me to think that they can store an EDID even if only one end is plugged in. So the only way for it to really lose an EDID is for it to be unplugged at both ends at once.
the D* receiver was on during. but had been reset within the last 20 minutes. not during this procedure.
only the gefen output was unplugged. and then the power to the 3da-1
this is the third time I have had 3d from the D* channels, the other two ended very abruptly and I didn't have nearly the results that I do now, so I know it will work for you, it's just a matter of being very persistent.
Unrelated to your problem but, porting the Gefen output through my Onkyo (HDMI 1.2a) to the HDMI 3 of my HL72a650 seemed to take care of the consistent audio loss issue. All the previous greyed out problems remain.
Kevin's instructions didn't help on my HR21-200.
I believe I have a HR-24 in my RV which I am going to swap out now. From your post, am I correct that the HR24 does firmware upgrades in addition to the software updates, while the HR21 just does software updates???
The only other thing that happened in the prior 20 minutes was a call to D* tech support. I told them that my tv was the mits that I got the edid from. During the call he resent something, but nothing happened. I don't think it is related though. He could not help me at all, and suggested a call to mits. I did not call mits. That was at least 15 minutes before I tried this.
Currently, I can't even try that. My adapter won't do anything but pass-through. It won't turn on the "3d mode" light at all, and pressing the 3d mode button does nothing.
Kevin, when you got D* working, was the HR24 on a 3D channel? Or a non-3D channel?
I was not on a 3D channel at the time. What clued me in was that the audio had suddenly started working just after i plugged the gefen output back in. Then I turned to the 3d channels and found what I had hoped to be true.
Curious as to the modes you were successful with. I believe when I had mine working, I had the Mit's adapter at the first mode light (Meaning with only the power light on, one push of the mode button to bring on the mode light. I believe the 3d picture was best with the Samsung TV 3d set to mode 2. Does this sound correct?
Also, Geaux, when you had yours working for some time, were you able to go back and forth from regular programming and shut off and on and still maintain 3d connection?
I believe our problem may be with the DirecTv solely. If it works with prerecorded 3d programming and we can't get past the greyed out guide channels, D* may have the gate to restrictive. If they could open the channels in the guide and just warn of compatability problems, it may work with our current setups.
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Originally Posted by jwitt /forum/post/18987438
Kevin and Geaux,
Curious as to the modes you were successful with. I believe when I had mine working, I had the Mit's adapter at the first mode light (Meaning with only the power light on, one push of the mode button to bring on the mode light. I believe the 3d picture was best with the Samsung TV 3d set to mode 2. Does this sound correct?
Also, Geaux, when you had yours working for some time, were you able to go back and forth from regular programming and shut off and on and still maintain 3d connection?
I believe our problem may be with the DirecTv solely. If it works with prerecorded 3d programming and we can't get past the greyed out guide channels, D* may have the gate to restrictive. If they could open the channels in the guide and just warn of compatability problems, it may work with our current setups.
When mine worked I could go back and forth between 2D and 3D channels and the LED on the front of the 3DA-1 would automatically light up when I was on a 3D channel or played back a recorded 3D show from my list. The 3DA-1 would then go back to 2D automatically when I switched to a 2D broadcast.
Also when it was working, I agree with Kevin that when the audio through the HDMI started working that was right before I was able to watch a 3D broadcast. My problem now is that I can get the audio through the HDMI but I can't watch anything in 3D. Kevin's solution works most of the time for getting the audio to work through the HDMI. When it works it is only 2.0 though. However, now I can't the DirecTv receiver to recognize my set up as being 3D capable. I believe this is software related on DirecTv's end as I am using different software on my receiver than I was before. I am hopeful that DirecTv will resolve this issue in further software updates. Also, my Mitsubishi was not one of the HDTVs that DirecTv used to test the 3DA-1 from what I have read unless that has changed.
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Originally Posted by kevin6541 /forum/post/18987234
My software is 0x3e0, Tue 7/13, 8:22p
HR24/500
Firmware 2.0.24
I had done a reset within the prior 20 minutes.
I still don't know exactly why it's working, but those were the things I did just before.
A strange thing happened while watching n3D, the channel changed automatically to the channel guide. channel 200. After that, the menu became checkerboard, and the 3 3d channels turned white one at a time.
Not sure what is going to happen once I turn everything off, but I'll find out tomorrow morning as I don't plan on turning anything off until I go to bed tonight.
My software is also currently 0x3e0. I was using something else when my 3D was working. I can get 2.0 audio through my HDMI connection but I can not get the 3D channels to work. I am running my audio through my A/V Receiver but that is how I was doing it before when it was working.
What are your audio settings on your HL61A750 set at? Any information you can provide is appreciated.
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Originally Posted by jwitt /forum/post/18987438
Kevin and Geaux,
Curious as to the modes you were successful with. I believe when I had mine working, I had the Mit's adapter at the first mode light (Meaning with only the power light on, one push of the mode button to bring on the mode light. I believe the 3d picture was best with the Samsung TV 3d set to mode 2. Does this sound correct?
Also, Geaux, when you had yours working for some time, were you able to go back and forth from regular programming and shut off and on and still maintain 3d connection?
I believe our problem may be with the DirecTv solely. If it works with prerecorded 3d programming and we can't get past the greyed out guide channels, D* may have the gate to restrictive. If they could open the channels in the guide and just warn of compatability problems, it may work with our current setups.
I haven't changed the 3da-1 mode since it started working. It is in normal/auto mode. It only had the power light on when I plugged the gefen output back in. After that, the 3d mode light comes on when I tune to a 3d channel and then it goes out when I go to a 2d channel. So far tuning back and forth between 2d and 3d seems to work, but with a noticeable delay in communication.
I'm not sure about mode 1 vs. mode 2, as far as I can tell, they might just be reversing the left and right shutters.
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Originally Posted by Geaux Tigers /forum/post/18987570
Kevin,
My software is also currently 0x3e0. I was using something else when my 3D was working. I can get 2.0 audio through my HDMI connection but I can not get the 3D channels to work. I am running my audio through my A/V Receiver but that is how I was doing it before when it was working.
What are your audio settings on your HL61A750 set at? Any information you can provide is appreciated.
none of the other options are available except equalizer which I have done nothing with.
I didn't use my avr until after it started working. But my avr is old and the best I can do with it is optical. The optical was connected to the hr24 and my avr when 3D started working, but my avr was off.
now I have the audio running through my avr via optical, the audio is also coming through the 61a750 because I'm afraid to turn the speakers off for fear of ruining the setup, but I have turned it down to 0 because the mute symbol shows permanently.
Do you have to have the converter for the hlt5075s samsung to work, or as long as you have a checkerboard output 3-d bluray player is that enough?
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