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#1 ·

Hard to believe with all the buzz going on that no-one has bothered to open a thread on what looks to be a killer-receiver (to me at least)...

So here goes!




My first question would be the following:


We already know that this receiver will be 11.2 capable with external amplification, but will the internal amps be assignable?


If not, you'll probably be stuck using the internal amps for your 9.2 setup (including your mains) and adding the external amp for a wide/height/SB channel (whatever Denon decides).


If yes, which I much prefer, the 2 added channels of external amplification could be assignable to the front speakers for instance.

This way you could set-up your system with a quality external amp for your mains and keep the internal amps for the remaining speakers...


I admit, I've been out of the game for quite some time (still the owner of an AVR-3801 currently! Hence the interest in the 4311 ) so apologies in advance if I'm missing the obvious here, but at this point it's the only thing unclear to me.



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EDIT:

Batpig suggested it would be a good idea to make a FAQ section in the first post of this thread and who am I to refuse.

So here goes, the first little FAQ trivia, courtesy of batpig.

Special thx goes out to jdsmoothie for keeping me informed on the FW updates!!!

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FAQ

Where can I find more info on this behemoth?
http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/5414.asp


What is the difference between the 4311ci and the A100?

A100 gets the following over 4311:


- Gloss Finish

- 100th Anniversary badge

- 100th anniversary block condensers

- Gold plated terminals

- Premium upgraded speaker binding posts

- Cast iron feet

- 5 year warranty

- Brand history book

- Inspection sheet

- fancy box

In terms of processing / amps / internals they are otherwise identical.

Which possible combinations of internal and external amps are there?

- You can have ANY combination of internal and external amps. You can power 5 speakers with external amps and 4 with internal... you can power 3 with external and 8 with internal.... you can power 2 with external and 9 with internal.... 9 with external and 2 with internal.... IT'S ALL GOOD. The ONLY thing you can't do is power 11 speakers internally...... because there are only 9 amps built in!


- The ONLY exception is that, because the receiver only has 9 amps built in, when you activate 11 channel mode, the receiver forces you to choose whether the FIRST TWO extra channels will be the heights or the front L/R mains.

How do I activate the preouts?

- You do not need to activate anything. When you are in 11ch mode, ALL THE PREOUTS ARE HOT at all times. You don't have to assign anything or set anything beyond the selection for the first two externally amped channels, the preouts are ALL HOT.

Then what is preamp mode for?

- PREAMP MODE however disconnects the signal from ALL the amps, so you should ONLY use this mode if you are using ONLY external amps for all channels. You cannot "shut off" specific amps internally, so if you will be using any of the internal amps for the main zone, you cannot use PREAMP mode.


A100 Firmware Updates
1. GUI issue fixes and using Party Mode Plus when networking
2. Audio drop out issues (12/22/10)
3. "Blue rain" video issue resolved (1/24/2011)
4. See items added below (7/1/11)
- Last.fm for German. (E2 only)
- It fails in the DPMS update of the firmware when the product is connected with "Control4".
- When Page Up/Down is done in the music list of iRadio, the product is frozen.
- When network connection speed is slow, the error occurs in the display of the FL tube.
- There is a case that the backup data of the parameter etc. initializes.
- There is a case where the network doesn't start.
- When the NSE command of AMX is sent, the data of the answer is wrong.
5. See items below (7/30/11)
- Allow connectivity to new Rhapsody servers
- Improve network connectivity
6. Allow connectivity to Pandora servers (12/19/12)

Note: If you have installed the Airplay firmware upgrade, the firmware version number on your unit will be incremented by 0001.



4311CI Firmware Updates
1. Fixes Party Mode feature, Pop Up menu function, USB functionality and also to the IP/232 controllability.
2. Audio drop out issues (12/22/10)
3. "Blue rain" video issue resolved (1/24/2011)
4. See A100 updates (7/1/11)
5. See A100 updates (7/30/11)
6. See A100 update (12/19/12)

Note: If you have installed the Airplay firmware upgrade, the firmware version number on your unit will be incremented by 0001.
 
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#42 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinJerry /forum/post/19147791


According to the discussion on the Audyssey thread, any AVR that has XT32 also has Sub EQ HT.

Isn't that what I said?


Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinJerry /forum/post/19147791


IMHO, one of the significant difference between the Onky 3008/5008 and the 4311CI is the fact that the Onkyo's are not installer-ready. If you ever want to upgrade to MultEQ Pro, you can't with the Onkyo's.

I myself do not care about the pro version, but I'm sure this will be important to lots of people, thanx for pointing that out!
 
#43 ·
Hi,

Quote:
Originally Posted by DisTreSs /forum/post/19150945


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You do lose 2amps compared to the 4810 though...

The 4311, same as the 4810, are receivers both equipped with 9 amplifiers.


Quote:
Originally Posted by DisTreSs /forum/post/19150947

Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinJerry /forum/post/19147791


IMHO, one of the significant difference between the Onkyo 3008/5008 and the 4311CI is the fact that the Onkyo's are not installer-ready. If you ever want to upgrade to MultEQ Pro, you can't with the Onkyo's.

I myself do not care about the pro version, but I'm sure this will be important to lots of people, thanx for pointing that out!

IMHO, this Audyssey Pro capacity in MultEQ XT32, added to a full DSX 11.2 processing, potentially place these 4311/A100 receivers as UNIQUE representatives of one the highest AQ reproduction possible in HC today.


I was a huge fan of Onkyo and I change receivers every year to stay in tune with the technological evolution. Today I own a 5007, but I have canceled my 5008 pre order, in favor of a 4311, maybe a A100 if it is "efficiently different"...



Hugo
 
#44 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by buggs1a /forum/post/19150492


What's pandora like on the avr? And also napster and rhapsody? Will you be able to listen to a lot of stations like vtuner?

It's a pretty simple interface. It picks up on your existing stations, let's you create new ones, etc. I don't think it shows album art though, if I'm remembering correctly (I haven't used Pandora on my AVR in a while).
 
#45 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by DisTreSs /forum/post/19150945


It adds HDMI 1.4a (only relevant if you have your hart set on 3D) and has the ability to turn off the amps so that it is in pure pre-amp mode.


You do lose 2amps compared to the 4810 though...

Both have the same number of amps.


4810 has advanced AL24 versus AL24+ on 4311.


4810 has 3 sub outputs versus 2 on 4311.


That's all I can think of. They will be easier to compare when the 4311 is listed on the Denon website.
 
#47 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by DisTreSs /forum/post/19147512


Apparantly this would be included in the MultEQ XT32 so receivers such as the NR-3008/5008 should have this as well.


Damn, and here I was hoping that this would be another reason to get the 4311 over the 3008/5008


Since it's not, I'm even more eager to get to know the price here in the EU as that will become the determining factor for me.

Another good reason to get the denon MAYBE is that Audyssey MultEQ XT32 will hopefully work bug free, as onkyo 3008 /5008 firmware is all screwed-up at this time
 
#48 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by gurkey /forum/post/19147786


So what ?

Its the same product manufactured with the same parts and boards to the same assembly steps and standards.

It's just done somewhere else...

Yeah, just don't buy the first few batches till all the issues are worked out
This is a major let down for me too, but I understand their position.
 
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#51 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by wes k /forum/post/19151456


How do advanced al24 and al24+ differ or compare?

I wrote a post last year on the evolution from ALPHA to Advanced AL24. See here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...ostcount=15182


Basically, AL24 Plus increases bit depth to 24 bit. Advanced AL24 also increases bit depth to 24 bit and upsamples to 192 kHz.


AJ
 
#52 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by counsil /forum/post/19151340


4810 has 3 sub outputs versus 2 on 4311.

As far as I know, the three sub outs on the 4810CI are nothing more than one sub out in triplicate (i.e. same signal, three outputs). The dual sub outs on the 4311CI/A100 can be, at the very least, independently time aligned. They may also offer separate L/R output, separate EQ, and/or separate crossovers.


AJ
 
#53 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by counsil /forum/post/19151340


Both have the same number of amps.


4810 has advanced AL24 versus AL24+ on 4311.


4810 has 3 sub outputs versus 2 on 4311.


That's all I can think of. They will be easier to compare when the 4311 is listed on the Denon website.

3 Sub output from 4810 does not equipped with Sub EQ. External EQ on sub is required.
 
#54 ·
This receiver is my lead contender for my replacement receiver. My next one is onkyo 5008. So many choices on which features i want
 
#55 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by WiWavelength /forum/post/19151651


The dual sub outs on the 4311CI/A100 can be, at the very least, independently time aligned. They may also offer separate L/R output, separate EQ, and/or separate crossovers.

Yes, I'm very interested to see how that works. I can't wait for the manual to become available to digest. I'm really hoping that it can be run with one sub, then the second output enabled unequalized. I currently split my (single) sub out from my 875, so that one side goes to my subs, and the other goes to my tactile transducers. The transducer output then goes through a BFD24 to specifically manipulate their response (steeply rolled off above the infrasonics). That's a less than ideal situation, since the output from my AVR is EQ'd for the sub's response, which has nothing to do with the transducers. It would be nice to have the ability to have one output be unmanipulated. It would be even nicer if I could (just) apply a separate crossover to it.
 
#56 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldiablos /forum/post/19151824


This receiver is my lead contender for my replacement receiver. My next one is onkyo 5008. So many choices on which features i want

This is the only receiver I am looking at. After my experiences with the Onkyo 3007 I am staying away from Onkyo. One of the biggest mistakes I did was sell my Denon 3808 for the 3007. Both my friend and I had the same problems with the Onkyo making my choices very easy.


I've been waiting a few months for the 4311 and I am anxious :)
 
#58 ·
Is there any official release date for the 4311? Yes, I know that there probably isn't one, but I wanted to track this thread without having to search for it every time.
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I posted this above but according to a seller on Audiogon they say "FIRST Shipment ships @ Sept 15th" Is it true? I have no clue just reporting what I read from a seller.


I really hope it is true. I'd love to have it soon. Some nice fall TV shows starting and would love to this this in place.
 
#59 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by nydennis /forum/post/19152969


This is the only receiver I am looking at. After my experiences with the Onkyo 3007 I am staying away from Onkyo. One of the biggest mistakes I did was sell my Denon 3808 for the 3007. Both my friend and I had the same problems with the Onkyo making my choices very easy.


I've been waiting a few months for the 4311 and I am anxious :)

This receiver has a lot of what I want and I too am very anxious



- 4 ohm rated amps

- 9.2 channel (expandable to 11.2)

- a true preamp mode


Only things I am not sure is all the technical things like how good the video and audio processor chips are and if not being THX ultra select 2 certified is even important or not. Also reliability of the receiver is also important. I have a Sony GX800ES (15 year old receiver) that works like a tank with 15 year old Paradigm 9semk3 speakers that sound like first day i bought them. So I am used to buying stuff that last and is what I want in the receiver I am going to use to replace my Sony.
 
#60 ·
I happened on a 4310 today at bestbuy and put my hand on top of it to see how much heat it generates. The top was very warm....and it was not playing anything, so amps were at idle.


Hopefully the 4311 will run much cooler with the amps turned off. It's just about the only thing I'm worried about on the 4311. The UMC-1 and my prior Lexicon ran very cool as does my class D amp. The hottest part of my system is the 52" LCD HDTV.
 
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