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#127 ·

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Originally Posted by ferran586 /forum/post/20170739


Chad,


I know you also just re-read the ST30 and got around the same that D-Nice did. Could the same have happened in this situation or did you already take those precautions? I am no way trying to second guess you.

No problem. Yes, I took those precautions on this one.
 
#128 ·

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Originally Posted by gnxv6 /forum/post/20171313


Chad, Is there an improvement with the motion judder cancelor? I read somewhere that they were using a different chipset.

That is hard to say. I don't remember a lot about how it looked on the C7000/8000 because I did not use it much because of the MLL bug and the color bug those models have with 1080P/24 YCbCr input.

Going by memory rather than direct comparison, it didn't look quite as smooth as some others like an LG PK550 or a Panny V10. But whether that's good or not will be up to the individual. It did not seem to have any problems in it's operation as far as I could tell besides the MLL increase, which was subtle.
 
#129 ·

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Originally Posted by Orta /forum/post/20171720


59" and 64" are going to be nasty if they get the MLL down to 0.008fL or lower and mirror that performance. The post calibration charts are crazy good in everything else, but honestly, 0.0165fL is laughable for a $2300 50" panel in 2011. Did you mess with a D550 while you were there Chad?

No, just an LG 60PZ550 and a Samsung UN46D8000, both of whose reviews will be coming soon.
 
#131 ·

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Originally Posted by Turrican4D /forum/post/20171915

It affects gammacalibration of the lowest IREs or am I mistaken?


And, I have to repeat my question Chad: How is it with the PWM-Noise near black when you take it versus the ST30?



I sit very close to the TV and so the real resolution and definition near black is important to me.


EDIT: The finer the PWM-noise near black the better.

I think there was a long debate over that when CalMAN Pro was being developed... Black level compensation is what the discussion revolved around. I have my opinion on the subject, which you can probably guess, but it's too lengthy and involved for me to get into here and now.


Unfortunately I did not rememeber to specifically check for PWM noise near black; but from what I remember of how my pluge patterns looked, the ST30 was superior in that department.
 
#132 ·

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Originally Posted by Turrican4D /forum/post/20171966


What gammasetting do you use?


I have to admit, that I use 2.22 in a pitch dark room wth my LG PK350 at the moment.

I usually like 2.22 also, though on some TVs (Mits DLP RPTVs and Samsung LED LCDs) and in some lighting conditions I like a stronger number like 2.4.


Sometimes maximum light output can play a factor. If you have, say, a front projector with an oversized screen or an aging bulb (this happens a lot in real life) that can only achieve 8 fL of light output, a gamma of 2.4 makes the mid tones darker than a gamma of 2.22 and will compound the light output issue.
 
#133 ·

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Originally Posted by Chad B /forum/post/20172135


No, just an LG 60PZ550 and a Samsung UN46D8000, both of whose reviews will be coming soon.

Any chance you'll be seeing the 550 for review? No interest in the web apps or slim factor. Curious if the black filter makes a difference and trying to figure out if the 7000/8000 is worth the money over the 550 if just picture attributes are considered.
 
#134 ·

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Originally Posted by Peter Johnson /forum/post/0


Thank you very much. I said the same thing but no one believed me. May be they will believe you.

When doing a calibration on a new set. Chris will run a break in dvd before Chad arrives before calibrating. This is opposite of what YOU have been saying.

Calibrating after 100 hours or so will let you know if you bought a Lemmon or not. Don't want to pay for a calibration and then find out your set has issues.
 
#135 ·

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Originally Posted by TheBrandon /forum/post/20172225


Any chance you'll be seeing the 550 for review? No interest in the web apps or slim factor. Curious if the black filter makes a difference and trying to figure out if the 7000/8000 is worth the money over the 550 if just picture attributes are considered.

Chris handles that side of things more so than me. I would be happy to do it if we can arrange it.
 
#136 ·

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Originally Posted by Turrican4D /forum/post/20171966


What gammasetting do you use?


I have to admit, that I use 2.22 in a pitch dark room wth my LG PK350 at the moment.

Please don't do that it makes me cringe



I replied to your PM but for anyone else wondering about the subject, 2.4 is what the majority of studio reference monitors use when mastering video content in dim lighting conditions. To see the image as intended you must use 2.4, no exception!


Also, human perception of brightness = Y^0.42, which translates to a display gamma of 2.38 (I round it up to 2.4).


These points cannot be argued with and yet all calibrators continue to use 2.2....anyway just putting the facts out there.
 
#137 ·

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Originally Posted by TheBrandon /forum/post/0


Any chance you'll be seeing the 550 for review? No interest in the web apps or slim factor. Curious if the black filter makes a difference and trying to figure out if the 7000/8000 is worth the money over the 550 if just picture attributes are considered.

I'd really like to see how the 550 stacks up to the 8000 as well.
 
#138 ·

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Originally Posted by Chad B /forum/post/20172125


That is hard to say. I don't remember a lot about how it looked on the C7000/8000 because I did not use it much because of the MLL bug and the color bug those models have with 1080P/24 YCbCr input.

Going by memory rather than direct comparison, it didn't look quite as smooth as some others like an LG PK550 or a Panny V10. But whether that's good or not will be up to the individual. It did not seem to have any problems in it's operation as far as I could tell besides the MLL increase, which was subtle.

Where can you or how do you enable the MJC on the D7000 and D8000 sets?
 
#140 ·
Nothing against Chad, but this is the first set of a new model. With who knows what firmware.


I'll wait and see what happens over the next month or so before damning this set.


Personally, I think the black level wars are overblown.


Unless you watch TV in a completely or near complete dark room, you will NEVER see the difference in black level. That's important to some people, but there are a LOT of other picture qualities that go into a great picture besides black level.

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Originally Posted by pneumatic /forum/post/20170718


Well it looks like Samsung haven't made any improvements at all. *sigh*


So disappointed...
 
#141 ·

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Originally Posted by David_B /forum/post/20173625


Nothing against Chad, but this is the first set of a new model. With who knows what firmware.


I'll wait and see what happens over the next month or so before damning this set.


Personally, I think the black level wars are overblown.


Unless you watch TV in a completely or near complete dark room, you will NEVER see the difference in black level. That's important to some people, but there are a LOT of other picture qualities that go into a great picture besides black level.






I agree, but this is an technical/enthusiast site. Blacks are key to picture quality and contrast. They will always be talked about, and very rightly so. .016 mll is unacceptable for a $2300 50" plasma tv in 2011. My S2 rose, so if I am paying this much, I expect DAMN good blacks. I will wait to pass judgement because who knows, these sets just came out and could get firmware fixes like last year.



I am getting a tv this year regardless from CP, and having it calibrated by Chad before being shipped. I will wait to hear reviews of larger Samsungs and Panasonics before making a final decision. Thanks for the review Chad.
 
#142 ·

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Originally Posted by Chad B /forum/post/20172174


Unfortunately I did not rememeber to specifically check for PWM noise near black; but from what I remember of how my pluge patterns looked, the ST30 was superior in that department.

Thanks for your answer!



I always found the PWM-noise near black distracting on my LG PK350, cause I was so used to the fine noise at my olds S10 plasmas.


Unless LG found something in that category this year, my guess is, that it will be a Panasonic this year, though I had the Samsung D8000 clearly in my mind of buying possibilities.



EDIT: And thanks for your answers about gamma too.
I will try 2.4 and switch back and forth between it and 2.22 and also I will try to change my calibrationprofile to a setting that don't include black level compensation.


EDIT2: BTW I watch movies normally with only 25ftl of lightoutput. I will see, if I have to ramp that up with a gamma of 2.4
 
#143 ·

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Originally Posted by pneumatic /forum/post/20171066


Could raise green+blue instead to avoid losing light output.

Well I'm assuming that can't be done since the green+blue pixels would have aged and lost brightness faster than the red, therefore resulting in the pinkish tint in the first place.


I'll try to find that thread and pictures to show you guys the pink bias on an aged Samsung Plasma. I also seem to recall some other members here who have mentioned the pinkness of Sammy Plasmas but can't recall if they specified whether this was the picture out-of-the-box or only after clocking a significant number of hours.
 
#144 ·

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Originally Posted by QZ1 /forum/post/20171779


Really, that sounds interesting, seeing as the C8000 has only been on the market for less than a year, 10.75 mos. to be more specific.



You must be thinking of the '09 B800 series; IIRC, they had the pink color shift problem; (I think the '08s had it too, I can't remember.)


I don't recall a single '10 C8000/7000/6500 mentioning a pink shift. I followed the Samsungs closely for quite a while in '10; if it was, indeed, talked about on AVS, if must've been a rare problem, if it existed.

Yes, if you examine the structure of my post, you'll see that I did not specifically state that it was the C8000 that had resulted in the aged pinkish 4:3 picture. I did specifically state that I couldn't remember which Samsung model was affected by this.


From other forum members' experience and my own real-life findings, even 2010 Samsungs have a pinkish hue. I simply put both findings together (aged pinkish screen on 2+ year old Sammy and pinkish screen of 2010 Sammy in showroom) and suspected that the RGB phosphors aged more unevenly on the Sammy Plasmas as compared to other plasma manufacturers.


Again, I'll try to find the links to support my findings and post them here.
 
#145 ·
Okay... Found the link.

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/sh....php?t=3056414


My apologies for it was not on these forums but a Singapore forum. Keep in mind that in Singapore, UK and a few other countries, the C7000 is equivalent to the US C8000 which has the extra black filter and the same aesthetics.


Look at the pictures in the link and read your way down to post number 3 for a picture of the burned-in Sammy Plasma. It's not a 2 year old model but actually a 3 year old model that showed the aged pinkish panel in the 4:3 aspect portion of the screen.


So to confirm, no one here has noticed a pinkish tint on an aged 2010 Sammy Plasma in the showroom when standing next to plasmas from Panny or LG?
 
#146 ·

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Originally Posted by Chad B /forum/post/20172125


That is hard to say. I don't remember a lot about how it looked on the C7000/8000 because I did not use it much because of the MLL bug and the color bug those models have with 1080P/24 YCbCr input.

Going by memory rather than direct comparison, it didn't look quite as smooth as some others like an LG PK550 or a Panny V10. But whether that's good or not will be up to the individual. It did not seem to have any problems in it's operation as far as I could tell besides the MLL increase, which was subtle.

Do the d700 and d8000 have the mjc or not. why cant we get an answer to this question???????????????????????????????????????????????
 
#149 ·

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Originally Posted by FraG_AU /forum/post/20171830


Is the line bleed better than the 7000 series? I have a store credit for a faulty 63" C series, waiting on the new models to surface to either pick up the plasma or the LCD. Line bleed is a big issue for me, as I do use a HTPC here and there for browsing internet and found the 7000 series lacking in this department.


Can anyone post a pic of some line bleed test screens? Pretty please

Someone posted a pic...its just as bad unfortunately
 
#151 ·
So I was at BB to see the latest on my PN64D8000 and they had one in the box ready to go that was going to be their display. I they asked me if I wanted this one or wait a week for mine to come in. I waited ... just so that I don't have one of the first one out of the factory.


Anyways .. since I was there I had them open it to see what kind of goodies came in it.


Touchscreen remote .... not in there

Query remote ............. included

Glasses ..................... not in there


The bezel looks nothing like the picture from CES but I will say that it looks sharp ... now the stand .. well, that is not going to matter since I will be hanging this puppy with the NEW Samsung WMN2000CX ... http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs-...s/WMN2000CX/ZA for only 199.00, better than any mount out there for the price.


Nothing yet on the bundles, but since I was a customer service issue, they are throwing in the New starter kit and Bluray BD-D6900 once that come out.


I gotta say .. I am real excited and just counting down the days.
 
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