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Originally Posted by seigneur_rayden /forum/post/21159170
Build looks awesome. I have a question though: With a build of this magnitude, why go with a painted screen? Wouldn't a AT screen be better or even a non AT screen.
No offense to MississipiMan, I don't mean to step on your toes, I am just asking.
A fair question.....and one that weighs on the minds of anyone not familiar with the advances we have made in DIY screen building since I got involved with such "away back when". Besides that, I'm an old, retired Semi-Pro Soccer Player (1969 - 1978) so my Toes are tough, my Shins are heavily callused, and I still can ignore a Red Card long enough to take out the opposition if necessary.
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Originally Posted by
RedTopDown /forum/post/21159222
Thank you. I'm sure that MM will chime in and give his .02 on the matter. What got me going on the painted screen was CalBear's HT build (
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=942954 ) and the 16' wide screen MM did for him. I've backed down from a 14' wide scope screen to a 12', but it's still a very large area to light up. I'm also strongly leaning towards a constant area setup, so a 16:9 12' wide screen is huge.
I've placed my full faith in MM that he can paint a screen with all his talent and paint formulas that will give me great results. I know he'll deliver. I also want to have this size screen, but not pay for a $20K+ projector to light it up.
An AT screen was something I wanted right off the bat, more specifically, a center channel with sound coming from the picture. Going the transducer route with the audio in the wall itself behind the painted screen, I'll have the same result.
I'm sure many will say that the transducer audit will never produce the sound from a standard high-end speaker setup. Again, I'll let MM answer all that!
Now that I've teed you up, Mr. MM.....
...and I've hauled out my biggest Driver. I can knock 'em 300+ yards anytime I need to. Trouble is....my Short game sucks.....
But that's OK. Nothing feels better than connecting off the Tee.
Trouble is, I've been waiting to tee off for over a year.
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Originally Posted by seigneur_rayden /forum/post/21159518
Thanks for the reply. If I understand correctly your statement, a painted screen light up easier versus other type of screen. And since you didn't want to spend too much on a PJ (I hear you on that), you went with the painted screen. Plus the painted screen should be cheaper than other type of screen (I hope nevertheless).
The ability of any screen, Mfg. or DIY, to "Light Up" is tied to both the PJs Lumen / Contrast output and the Screen's effective Gain /Surface properties. With DIY Screen making, and a knowing hand, a surface can be tailored to be exactly what is needed...size, gain, and positioning. All three being optimized for a given set of circumstances means optimal results. It's that simple...really.
And yes, you best believe it's a WHOLE lot less expensive. Ridiculously so. More Bang for Less Bucks has been the DIY Screen mantra since well before my own time on the Forum Boards. What I've always tried to do is make the quality even more representative of offering the most value while not compromising performance one whit...if not indeed making performance soar over the top of expectations.
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Well, I can wait to see the result. MM, paint that screen already!!!!
Actually, I can't hardly wait myself. I enjoy doing this sort of thing tremendously...primarily because I revel in the delight of seeing Jaws drop to knee level. Then at the end of it all, leaving someone so proud of his ownership means never having to say; "I'm sorry...that's the best you can expect from a DIY Screen." Instead, I hear; "I don't think I could have ever done better buying a Mfg. Screen anyway." Heady stuff...and the thing that satisfaction is really based upon. I Live or Die on the results of "every" such project, especially the ones reviewed on this Forum. So far.....no Obituary has been written.
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Originally Posted by RedTopDown /forum/post/21159403
And with MM's screen being a high-end painted one, I don't have any concerns at all. I agree with you on the arguments being overblown to some extent, but the facts still have to be considered when trying to project that large of an image. I want a good projector, but something I won't feel like shooting myself over in two years (max) when something better comes out for half the price. I'd rather be 95% happy now and save some $ for when 4K becomes affordable.
......and knowing that, I'm sticking with my suggestion of the Epson 5010
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I've followed your build thread and can't remember how far back your first row viewing is. When I saw 14' wide from my 12' distance it seemed too much for my taste. In the prime second row at 18' it was good, but 12' wasn't bad at all and seemed to work better for the first row. When I then decided to go constant area, a 14' wide 16:9 was just ridiculous.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I hope 12' wide is enough!
You'll be happy at 12' wide (144" x 81" ) as that is a BIG screen by any standard. Almost 7' high.
FTR...I expect the "light Gray" Screen to top out at approx 1.7 gain "minimum", so at a projected Throw distance of 17.2' and with the 5010 on Normal Lamp output, I calculate a Foot Lambert reading of 22 fl. That's plenty to be able to run the Epson on Low Lamp during Dark Room 2D use, and bump back up to Normal for 3D presentations. I could paint a S-I-L-V-E-R like the one I did for calbear in '08 ......and I just might. That will bump up the expected gain to over 2.0
As for the Transducer installation, and how effective it will be at doing the job required, I'd prefer to let RedTop pass judgement upon his own review. (...It's not my place to sell anyone on the concept...I've never tried to do that...) ) And that
WILL happen because with the system involved, as soon as the units are installed and we slap the Drywall up into place and screw them off, the system is ready for an initial shakedown. (...no pun intended...)
We'll have the Power
We'll have the Structure
We'll have the Drivers
We'll have the Subs
We'll have the Screen
We "better" have a PJ.
We absolutely better have the Beer
When the Drywall and Paint dust settles, and we fire up the Room "in the Raw" with no furniture or carpet in place, that will tell RedTop if his confidence was well placed...or was placed at the bottom of a well. His own words will be either the Song of Legends...or the Dirge that heralds my Demise.
Me? I'm not worried at all because I've been there, done all that just a few times before
in the last 33 years and I ain't had to listen to any moaning or wailing as of yet. And RedTop has stepped up to the plate and determined to do things with no compromise at all.
That always makes things a lot easier...lemmie tell ya!