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Received my 5010 from Projector People last night.

I had a 8350 and the 5010 beats it hands down in black levels & sharpness. No contest.
*I still have the 8350 so I was able to do an A/B comparison. The 8350 does output a great picture for its price range.


Pixel Alignment:
*This is located under the Extended menu & not mentioned in the current manual.

**It appears that the European model may have the LCD pixel alignment hidden.
Here are the steps to access it.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=297


I played with the pixel alignment and here's how it works.
*My red was off about 1/2 pixel to the left. Other 2 panels where aligned with each other.

1. You first choose a panel color.
Either Red or Blue. Green can not be adjusted but it doesn't matter as it's used at the center point to move the other 2 panels.

2. You then adjust the panel in each of the four corners Vertically and Horizontally.
I believe the panel movement is in 1/20 of a pixel movement. It's definitely fine movement and a lot less than 1 pixel.

3. Then you will be prompted to select a section on the grid to finish the alignment.
I picked the worst red offset which was near the middle.
A "+" will be displayed at the grid allowing you to see the panel movement.
You can then select another location and align.
You can keep repeating this as needed.
Once done, I had virtually perfect convergence.

*Other view points at pixel alignment.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=307

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1317

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1342

**Detailed Alignment procedure.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=666

Focusing:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=670

Keystone:
I played with the keystone and it does seem to work well but you will lose a bit of sharpness/focus. Probably not noticeable in normal viewing. I recommend not using keystone and using the lens shift.

Iris:
I can't hear it 5-6 feet above my head but from 3-4 feet, you can hear a slight rumbling sound when it makes adjustments.
*This is during quiet passages and scenes change from light to dark or vise versa.
Otherwise, you won't hear it over normal audio.
It's not bothersome like the high pitch tone the Benq W6000 I had for a few weeks but seems to be a bit louder than my 8350.
If off though, the blacks look great. I basically do not "see" the black bars any more.

Fan:
The ECO mode is dead quiet.

The Normal mode is a little louder than my 8350 but sounds like a PC fan.
Measured -40db about 2 feet away using my iPad DB meter.
I do hear it in quiet/silent dialog.

Picture Quality:
PQ is great. I used Art/Mikes settings from projectorreviews & did some tweaking for now but I'm using Living Room mode to get more lumens.
I will do a full calibration later as I get some decent lamp hours.
With the extra lumens and contrast, you get a great picture with that "pop" of DLP.

Edit: I have switched to Natural mode. Living Room appears to have a red push & too bright for a bat cave.

Edit: 1/14/2013
Switched back to Living room mode
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/o...me-cinema-5010-6010-thread/2790#post_22830363

Ceiling mount:
I haven't seen Chief or Peerless release an official mount yet for the 5010. Only the 3010.
I'm using the Peerless PRG-UNV mount.
I like it because I can mount it straight to the ceiling or add an extension pole later if needed.
http://www.peerlessmounts.com/dyn/Pr...3/u/t/av/15107

Other compatible mounts:
http://www.peerlessmounts.com/dyn/Products/BrowseProducts.aspx/av/15198
http://www.chiefmfg.com/Mount-Finder/EPSON/PowerLite Home Cinema 5010

Need a low profile ceiling mount
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/o...me-cinema-5010-6010-thread/2190#post_22253647


Having issues with lens shift
*All Epson lens shift are pretty much the same design

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1283049


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5010/6010 differences:
The 6010 includes all of the 5010 features plus:

Case is Black
2 Pairs of Epson 3D Glasses
THX Mode Pre-Calibrated
Two anamorphic lens modes (stretch and squeeze) — enables 2.35:1 anamorphic viewing with anamorphic lens(sold separately)
Chief Mount Included
3 Year Warranty
Cable Cover
Extra lamp Included

Reviews:
http://www.displaycalibrationonline...._epson5010.asp

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...5010/index.php

http://www.projectorcentral.com/epso...tor_review.htm

*EH-TW6100 (PowerLite 3020) Review
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/o...me-cinema-5010-6010-thread/3060#post_23393002

Reviews of the RS45 and some notes comparing the 5010.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1627
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=368

Measured Contrast
Using the Natural Mode, Low lamp after calibration
Long throw: 467 lumens and 6635:1 contrast
Short throw: 618 lumens and 3867:1 contrast

The auto-iris seems to provide a 3x multiple. I got just over 15,000:1 compared to about 5,000:1 native.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=188

And to compare, the JVC RS45.
The contrast you would expect under ordinary conditions is 17,660.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1627

HP Screen anyone?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/o...me-cinema-5010-6010-thread/2160#post_22248538

Compatible 3D glasses
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1372529

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/s...61&foid=199263

Epson 3D glasses manual
http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchfield.com/Manuals/278/278AS3DG.PDF

Having issue with the Monster Max 3D glasses?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/o...me-cinema-5010-6010-thread/2760#post_22766037

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/o...me-cinema-5010-6010-thread/1890#post_22091018

DIY Motorized lens shift, zoom & focus
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1401911

ND filter
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/o...me-cinema-5010-6010-thread/2040#post_22161762

Epson LPE for better contrast
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1442399/e...-of-the-5010-5020-6010-6020-a-detailed-review

Does your unit have the latest FW?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1399426

Check your FW version:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/o...me-cinema-5010-6010-thread/2280#post_22289612



Epson 5010/6010 'Cinema filter Error', grinding noise, red light fix with pics
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...-error-grinding-noise-red-light-fix-pics.html


Manual
http://files.support.epson.com/pdf/p...plhc5010ug.pdf

Want enhanced sharpness and details?
Consider getting a Darbee
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet/2160#post_22301803
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/o...me-cinema-5010-6010-thread/2640#post_22550353

Good discussion on black levels
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1436767/the-truth-about-black-levels

AVS HD Calibration disc
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration
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#53 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by akrauss /forum/post/21307582


Harthenry - As it appears you have the 5010 up and running, can you please provide some feedback on it, including what screen you have it paired with. I am strongly considering pulling the trigger this week, but would like a little more user feedback. Thanks to all for their contributions to this great resource.

I looked long at the getting the 8700UB because I was setting up a 2.35 system and wanted anamorphic support.


I wanted an AT (acoustically transparent) 2.35 screen to provide me the best cinematic experience, however, they seem too expensive. Then, I had the opportunity to speak with James from Jamestown screens, and he mentioned he was interested in working with Seymour (AT fabric/screen people), and between the two of them, Jamestown decided to start creating AT screens. (I have one of his first AT 2.35 screens). It is a 120" 16x9 which results in a 155" 2.35. For the price -- this is an awesome screen.


My DIY lens for horizontal stretch was created using two anti-reflective coated prisms. The leading prism (closest to the projector) is a little smaller than the trailing prism. $150 for the prisms plus a weekend building a box. I have not had the opportunity to use it with the 5010 yet, because....


After watching various videos interviewing Epson people, it was "understood" the 5010 was the next gen 8700. Therefore, I decided to wait for the 5010 (quality and specs are other places). Unfortunately, the 5010 does not support anamorphic like the 8700. With that said, I am purchasing a vertical stretch scaler from primedtv.


The primedtv will be here in a couple days, and I will give you the 411 on that. I also purchased the primedtv unit because I am an OTA (over the air) guy when it comes to watching TV. OTA provides you about 20 Mbits of streaming data while cable provides approx 16 MBits (the bigger the screen the bigger the difference). Again, for me, OTA for sports vs. cable is the difference between evening and day. (not necessarily night and day
)


I can provide more info if you wish....
 
#55 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by harthenry /forum/post/21307129


I am curious, who is selling 6010(s) to end users? I wanted the 6010 but could not find a seller. I have the 5010 in the basement and using it now. It seems like I am the only one that is disappointing the 5010 does not have CIH (vertical stretch) for anamorphic like the 8700 had. (6010 has it).

From my dealer, for a very good price.
 
#56 ·
I currently have a Sanyo Z2000.. I've been looking for an upgrade. If my main concern is 2D and black levels, how will the 5010 compare? I'm not too worried about the 3D but figure since I'm going to buy a new one that it should probably support it if not just for my kids enjoyment.
 
#57 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by SpyGuy311 /forum/post/21310485


I currently have a Sanyo Z2000.. I've been looking for an upgrade. If my main concern is 2D and black levels, how will the 5010 compare? I'm not too worried about the 3D but figure since I'm going to buy a new one that it should probably support it if not just for my kids enjoyment.

I upgraded from a Z2000 to 8350 and it had better blacks and PQ.

The 5010 has very noticeable black level/contrast increase over the 8350.


Only thing that may bother you is the fan in normal mode is louder than the Z2000.

In ECO mode, it's as quiet as the Z2000 ECO mode.

The iris noise is about the same.
 
#58 ·
I need some advice. I'm having a really hard time finding an "authorized Epson dealer" here in Utah that is worth crap (most of them won't even return my calls or emails). I'm looking at possibly purchasing a Pro Cinema 6010, but, no, I'm not paying $4300 for one. I can't find a dealer that will sell it for less than that here in Utah. So, what are my options? Home Cinema projectors are so easy to buy from online vendors, but not so with the Pro Cinema line.


I did see a link to a vendor on the East Coast, but there has to be an easier way to purchase this projector.
 
#60 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by ricwhite /forum/post/21311538


I need some advice. I'm having a really hard time finding an "authorized Epson dealer" here in Utah that is worth crap (most of them won't even return my calls or emails). I'm looking at possibly purchasing a Pro Cinema 6010, but, no, I'm not paying $4300 for one. I can't find a dealer that will sell it for less than that here in Utah. So, what are my options? Home Cinema projectors are so easy to buy from online vendors, but not so with the Pro Cinema line.


I did see a link to a vendor on the East Coast, but there has to be an easier way to purchase this projector.

I'd start with a call to AVS.
 
#62 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by ricwhite /forum/post/21311538


I need some advice. I'm having a really hard time finding an "authorized Epson dealer" here in Utah that is worth crap (most of them won't even return my calls or emails). I'm looking at possibly purchasing a Pro Cinema 6010, but, no, I'm not paying $4300 for one. I can't find a dealer that will sell it for less than that here in Utah. So, what are my options? Home Cinema projectors are so easy to buy from online vendors, but not so with the Pro Cinema line.


I did see a link to a vendor on the East Coast, but there has to be an easier way to purchase this projector.
THIS PLACE SELLS the 6010
 
#63 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by drhankz /forum/post/21312663

THIS PLACE SELLS the 6010


Thanks. I'll look into that store and find out some more details. I was hoping to find something closer than the East Coast so the projector wouldn't have to be bounced around in shipping 2000 miles. We have TheaterXtreme stores here in Utah, but they are selling the 6010 for around $4300. I'm not sure why some of their stores are selling it for $3500 while others are selling it for over 4K. Odd. Thanks for the tip though.
 
#64 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by ricwhite /forum/post/21312759


Thanks. I'll look into that store and find out some more details. I was hoping to find something closer than the East Coast so the projector wouldn't have to be bounced around in shipping 2000 miles. We have TheaterXtreme stores here in Utah, but they are selling the 6010 for around $4300. I'm not sure why some of their stores are selling it for $3500 while others are selling it for over 4K. Odd. Thanks for the tip though.

They know you guys in UTAH have the BIG BUCKS
to SPEND
 
#66 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL /forum/post/21315014


MSRP is $3499. It is unlikely you will find it for less but may be able to work a good package deal if one needs other gear to go with it.

If the MSRP is $3499, then there's a LOT of places that need to update their information. Most are listing $3999 as the MSRP. The only place I found it selling for $3499 is the one store in Virginia.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Epso...inema_6010.htm

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/p...ro-cinema-6010

http://www.aboutprojectors.com/Epson...projector.html

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...ons-id2816.php

http://www.theaterdesigncenter.com/H...ers/Epson_6010
 
#67 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by ricwhite /forum/post/21316143


if the msrp is $3499, then there's a lot of places that need to update their information. Most are listing $3999 as the msrp. The only place i found it selling for $3499 is the one store in virginia.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/epso...inema_6010.htm

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/p...ro-cinema-6010

http://www.aboutprojectors.com/epson...projector.html

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...ons-id2816.php

http://www.theaterdesigncenter.com/h...ers/epson_6010

iirc,

msrp $3999

map $3699
 
#69 ·
Our Epson rep sent over pricing monday and $3499 is the 6010 MSRP. If they changed it since Monday we haven't received it yet. There was a lot of rumor pricing since it was announced but this was the first thing official I have seen on the pricing from Epson.
 
#70 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by eazyriderr /forum/post/21316629


What does this statement actually mean "Two Anamorphic Lens Modes (Stretch and Squeeze) - Enables 2.35:1 anamorphic viewing without an external processor"? is it like the Panasonics zoom method for scope?

The Epson will either stretch or squeeze the picture without losing any pixel density depending on what type of Anamorphic Lens you use. If you use an Anamorphic Lens that stretches the picture horizontally then you would use the Anamorphic Lens Mode on the Epson to stretch the picture vertically to fill your CIH Screen. The zoom method will fill your screen but you would lose pixel density while zooming the black bars off of the screen.


John
 
#71 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by studlygoorite /forum/post/21316876


The Epson with either stretch or squeeze the picture without losing any pixel density depending on what type of Anamorphic Lens you use. If you use an Anamorphic Lens that stretches the picture horizontally then you would use the Anamorphic Lens Mode on the Epson to stretch the picture vertically to fill your CIH Screen. The zoom method will fill your screen but you would lose pixel density while zooming the black bars off of the screen.


John

Thanks for clearing that up for me.
 
#73 ·
I think the 5010 = TW8000 and the 6010 = TW9000 in Australia/New Zealand.
 
#74 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickp10 /forum/post/21317397


Hi, I am looking at ceiling mounts. Would the Atdec Telehook TH-WH-PJ-CM be suitable for "standard" ceiling mounting of the Epson 5010e (Australian TW9000) ?


If there are any better suggestions I would appreciate these as well.


Thanks

I'm using the Peerless PRG-UNV mount. I like it because I can mount it straight to the ceiling or add an extention pole later if needed.
http://www.peerlessmounts.com/dyn/Pr...3/u/t/av/15107


I believe the Chief RPAU will work as well.
http://www.chiefmfg.com/Products/RPAU


Both of these are around $100-150 USD but are of good/reliable construction.
 
#75 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman /forum/post/21310818


I upgraded from a Z2000 to 8350 and it had better blacks and PQ.

The 5010 has very noticeable black level/contrast increase over the 8350.


Only thing that may bother you is the fan in normal mode is louder than the Z2000.

In ECO mode, it's as quiet as the Z2000 ECO mode.

The iris noise is about the same.

Getting my 5010 tomorrow. I can't wait to see these blacks =)


My room is fully light controlled so ECO mode it will be. The iris on my Z2000 was pretty loud but I only really noticed it when there was lighting or a flame flashing frequently making it go nuts.


As soon as I found out the 5010 works with my existing panasonic 3D glasses that I bought for my plasma, I was completely sold on it.
 
#76 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by SpyGuy311 /forum/post/21320986


Getting my 5010 tomorrow. I can't wait to see these blacks =)


My room is fully light controlled so ECO mode it will be. The iris on my Z2000 was pretty loud but I only really noticed it when there was lighting or a flame flashing frequently making it go nuts.


As soon as I found out the 5010 works with my existing panasonic 3D glasses that I bought for my plasma, I was completely sold on it.

Congrats ! Please provide some feedback, incl. fan noise, throw distance set up and what screen you are using. This thread has been eerily quiet on user feedback for the 5010.
 
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