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4K Sony VW 1000 first short Test

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#1 ·
i got today one of the first sony vw1000 (a real production unit!)and take a first look.





i cant do a full test as my time i can spend is very little at this moment

but i will measure later tonight at least lumen as you may know that sony

always say that the first demo units are not have the light out the

real production units will have.

sony promise to me around 2000 lumen but dont tell me at d 65 or at native color without any calibration.

seeing the unit with lamp mode high no iris on and color to d 65 i am

sure it have more lumen than the early samples (1450 lumen).

may in the 1800 lumen range at d 65 but lets see.....


cr. in this mode also seems good colors looks good as well.


so very first impressions are good all over more later in some hours.

it will be a long night very possible
 
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it gets late but i have some numbers.


the unit has at high lamp mode (very quiet) no iris at all

contrast at full 100 (no clipping) with d 65 color and lens to the adjust to the biggest

picture it can do with oppo bd player in 2d and 1 hour at the lamp


1920 center lumen!!!


when you select that the 1920x1080 24p signal was scale up to

full wide of the panel the vw 1000 offers


2064 center lumen!!!


i see not any problem by using the scale mode to fill the full panel.

not any bug that i can see.


the lens is very very good at least at the position i select (max big picture).

very sharp and it show the pixels when you go to the screen.

no chromatic bugs in the corners no other issues what a good lens!


i try also the reality creation and when i switch it on you can see that the picture gets much better.

you can adjust than there the level of resolution and noise reduction.

i adjust all to minimum.

as the picture is still at min. a bit to sharp i adjust the general sharpness to 0.

but even than it was for my taste to sharp so i take the oppo adjustments and i found

with -10 sharpness a very nice way to further decrease the picture enhancement

to a level i like it.

that together with the big improvement when you adjust reality creation gives a very nice bug free picture that i like a lot and with this adjustments it looks very good

and naturally and very good.


the other important point are the cr. number that are discussed here at avs

like the lumen number a lot.


i found with open iris max. light out at d 65 with biggest picture from the lens


11050:1 cr.


you need to know that my numbers when i compare it with other people numbers are always a

bit low so i expect even higher numbers from other people that this pr. have native.


all above was at color space rec 709 and color temperature d65.

i am not sure if its really necessary to further calibrate the colors as they looks to me

right out the box very good.


this pr. is a big positive surprise as it have the lumen at d 65 sony promise

(2000 lumen) and the cr. native was with my measurements at over 11000:1 native

also very nice if you think about how bright the unit is.


when you thing that this is a true 4k pr. with native 4096x2160 almost

9 mil. pixel and the lumen and the cr. this pr. is a very good deal if you can afford it.


in 2 days i will have a computer here with the first gc that outputs true 4k via the

hdmi output.

lets see how good the still pictures with 4.27 times the resolution full hd have will looks....

and 3d as well.


but i can say today this is a very very good pr.


congratulation sony!!!
 
#8 ·
Looks like the Sony is delivering the goods. A high contrast LCOS projector that can light up big screens.
 
#11 ·
Promising!


Love to know the light output with the iris at minimum and the on/off CR at this setting.
 
#12 ·
Mayer - Do you plan to test 3d performance at all? I know not everyone on this thread is a fan but it is a factor for me. My guess is it should be excellent based on the feedback I've read on the VW95.
 
#15 ·
I'm sure complete measurements will follow in time but for now I'm interested to hear how the machine does in low lamp and at 2.0 throw. I suppose wide open iris and also min iris.


Glad to hear it looks so good.
 
#17 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by W.Mayer /forum/post/21538178


it gets late but i have some numbers.


the unit has at high lamp mode (very quiet) no iris at all

contrast at full 100 (no cliping) with d 65 color and lens to the adjust to the biggest

picture it can do with oppo bd player in 2d and 1 hour at the lamp


1920 center lumen!!!


when you select that the 1920x1080 24p signal was scale up to

full wide of the panel the vw 1000 offers


2064 center lumen!!!


i see not any problem by using the scale mode to fill the full panel.

not any bug that i can see.


the lens is very very good at least at the position i select.

very sharp and it show the pixels when you go to the screen.

no chromatic bugs in the corners no other issues what a good lens!


i try also the reality creation and when i switch it on you can see that the picture gets much better.

you can adjust than there the level of resolution and noise reduction.

i adjust all to minimum.

as the picture is still at min. a bit to sharp i adjust the general sharpness to 0.

but even than it was for my tast to sharp so i take the oppo adjustments and i found

with -10 sharpness a very nice way to further decrease the picture enhancement

to a level i like it.

that together with the big improvment when you adjust reality creation gives a very nice bugfree picture that i like a lot and with this adjustments it looks very good

and naturally and very good.


the other importent point that are like the "lumen output" over and over

discussed here at avs are the cr. number.


i found with open iris max. light out at d 65 with biggest picture from the lens


11050:1 cr.


you need to know that my numbers when i compare it with other people are always a

bit low so i expect even higher numbers from other people that this pr. have native.


all obove was at color space rec 709 and color temperature d65.

i am not sure if its really necessary to further calibrat the colors as they looks to me

right out the box very good.


this pr. is a big positive surprise as it have the lumen at d 65 sony promise

(2000 lumen) and the cr. nativ was with my measurments at over 11000:1 native

also very nice if you think about how bright the unit is.


when you thing that this is a true 4k pr. with native 4096x2160 almost

9 mil. pixle and the lumen and the cr. this pr. is a very good deal if you can afford it.


in 2 days i will have a computer here with the first gc that outputs true 4k via the

hdmi output.

lets see how good the still pictures with 4.27 times the resolution will looks....

and 3d as well.


but i can say today this is a very very good pr.


congratulation sony!!!

Great news and feedback Wolfgang! I'm glad it seems our faith in the production units delivering the promised light output has been validated.


Can I ask what Video Card you are getting for your PC? I will be in search of one to drive this beast shortly too, time to retire the old Nvidia 450 GTS!
 
#18 ·

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Originally Posted by OzHDHT /forum/post/21538997


Great news and feedback Wolfgang! I'm glad it seems our faith in the production units delivering the promised light output has been validated.


Can I ask what Video Card you are getting for your PC? I will be in search of one to drive this beast shortly too, time to retire the old Nvidia 450 GTS!

Dual high end cards might be necessary!
That will likely be my plan.
 
#19 ·

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Originally Posted by adidino /forum/post/21539029


Dual high end cards might be necessary!
That will likely be my plan.

I don't see how that will work. Upping rez is not like running SLI or say dual screen. You need 1 HDMI output providing the full rez to projector.
 
#20 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by OzHDHT /forum/post/21539057


I don't see how that will work. Upping rez is not like running SLI or say dual screen. You need 1 HDMI output providing the full rez to projector.

Good point. Any options out there currently?
 
#21 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by adidino /forum/post/21539070


Good point. Any options out there currently?

Radeon 7970.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/deskt...deon-7970.aspx


3GHz HDMI 1.4a with Stereoscopic 3D Frame Packing Format, Deep Color, xvYCC wide gamut support, and high bit-rate audio

Max resolution: 4096x2160

1080p60 Stereoscopic 3D

Quad HD/4k video support
 
#23 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 /forum/post/21539127


Radeon 7970.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/deskt...deon-7970.aspx


3GHz HDMI 1.4a with Stereoscopic 3D Frame Packing Format, Deep Color, xvYCC wide gamut support, and high bit-rate audio

Max resolution: 4096x2160

1080p60 Stereoscopic 3D

Quad HD/4k video support

Thanks. Spot on. I've been trying to google a card with 4K res like this and it for some reason is proving really hard. This one could be the one. I might be back to the AMD camp if Nvidia has no comparable card to this.
 
#25 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by turls /forum/post/21539279


Wait, is it verified that you can hook up a full 4k source video card to this projector? I thought that there were limitations with HDMI that would prevent it.


Ok on the Radeon 7970 on the AMD side, what about Nvidia?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1199564/a...splay-demo-ces


They had to use DisplayPort for that demo, could they have used HDMI?

I was just scouring the Nvidia site and can't see any GEforce series or Quadros that will got to 4K rez.
 
#26 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by turls /forum/post/21539279


Wait, is it verified that you can hook up a full 4k source video card to this projector? I thought that there were limitations with HDMI that would prevent it.


Ok on the Radeon 7970 on the AMD side, what about Nvidia?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1199564/a...splay-demo-ces


They had to use DisplayPort for that demo, could they have used HDMI?

Any graphics card that supports HDMI 1.4 will do native 4K at 24hz. That's the only refresh rate HDMI currently supports. It shouldn't be an issue for our lot considering that's the refresh rate we want for films anyways.
 
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