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Welcome!

This is the place for discussing all issues related to HD in the Cincinnati, Ohio area.

Cincinnati DMA Station list/info :

Note : Remapped virtual channel #'s in parentheses, stations listed with minor channels as "x" multicast.

Full Service DTV Stations :

WLWT 20 (5-x) - NBC HD - http://www.wlwt.com
WCPO 26 (9-x) - ABC HD - http://www.wcpo.com
WKRC 12 (12-x) - CBS HD/CW HD - http://www.wkrc.com
WPTO 29 (14-x) - PBS HD/ThinkTV - http://www.thinktv.org
WXIX 15 (19-x) - FOX HD - http://www.fox19.com
WCET 17 (48-x) - PBS HD - http://www.cetconnect.org/
WKON 24 (52-x) KET - PBS HD- http://www.ket.org/dtv
WCVN 22 (54-x) KET - PBS HD - http://www.ket.org/dtv
WSTR 18 (64-x) - My Network TV HD - http://www.star64.tv

LPTV DTV Stations

WBQC-LD 28 (20-x and 25-x) - IND - "WKRP" - http://www.wkrp.tv

Not Currently On Air as of 10/29/2019 (due to repack):

WDYC-LD 14 (36-x) - Daystar HD - http://www.daystar.com

LP DTV Translators :

W16EB-D (38-x) KET, Augusta, KY - http://www.ket.org/dtv
W23DM-D (52-x) KET, Falmouth KY - http://www.ket.org/dtv

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Tower/Coverage area notes:

WXIX, WLWT/WCET/WPTO, WCPO and WKRC towers are located near Downtown Cincinnati. WXIX tower a bit west of downtown, WLWT/WCET in Clifton, and WCPO/WKRC towers a Bit East of Downtown Near I-71. WLWT/WCET/WPTO share the same tower, WBQC-LD broadcasts from WCPO's tower. Info on WDYC-LD most recent Construction permit indicates they transmit from WKRC tower.

WSTR tower is a few Miles North of Downtown, WCVN tower is in Taylor Mill KY.

For the most part, the Cincinnati/N KY area stations generally have around a 55-65 Mile radius coverage area, exceptions being:

WCVN (General Coverage area around 30~45 Miles or so) and The Low power stations, whose coverage area varies greatly depending upon their purpose .. The KET LP translators for instance are designed to serve very small areas which aren't covered well by the Full Power KET stations, while WBQC-LD coverage area reaches out 30~45 miles or so ....

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Dayton Note:

Since Dayton TV/DTV/HD stations are also often receivable from Cincinnati area and vice versa, Dayton/Cincinnati area folks may also find the Dayton Thread on AVSforum useful, it is located here :

https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=136336
 
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#13,921 ·

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Originally Posted by RobLee /forum/post/21801886


BTW it's odd that the brawl was on national news but that four Ohio teams are in the playoff is not.

Not really. The fact that the teams are from the same state doesn't really have any effect on their games. Of the four, the only expected to have a chance at reaching the Final Four is the winner of UC/OSU. The two other teams are at different sites this weekend and are heavily expected to not make it to the Final Four. Now if somehow three of the four teams in the Final Four ended up being from Ohio....


As for the fight, ANY fight of that magnitude and violence, between any teams of their significance, would have been big national news. It involved a team that was (at the time) top 10 in the nation (XU), and a team in the nation's "premiere power conference" (UC in the Big East). It resulted in major suspensions that therefore affected upcoming conference games, so that was a big deal. The fact that it was a cross-town rivalry, which gets a LITTLE national play, just added to the intrigue of the fight in the national coverage. I've followed college hoops for 30+ years (and I played myself) and it was one of, if not THE, biggest and ugliest fights I have ever seen.


And, yes, making the Sweet 16 is always a big deal. Every time you advance to "the next week", it's huge.
 
#13,922 ·

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Originally Posted by pjpjpjpj /forum/post/21801960


Not really. The fact that the teams are from the same state doesn't really have any effect on their games.

Though I'm sure the final four must be a more elite distinction, I think that having a third of the sixteen (including UK & IU) being within 100 miles of us is something special. We are after all talking about (I'm guessing) that is out of hundreds of college teams nationally.
 
#13,923 ·

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Originally Posted by RobLee /forum/post/21802059


Though I'm sure the final four must be a more elite distinction, I think that having a third of the sixteen (including UK & IU) being within 100 miles of us is something special. We are after all talking about (I'm guessing) that is out of hundreds of college teams nationally.

Don't get me wrong, it is unusual and is great for our area, and it makes it more fun for all the fans in overlapping fanbase footprints. But the rest of the nation really doesn't really care that much. We see that UC, XU, Ohio State, Ohio U., Indiana, Kentucky, and Louisville - 7 out of 16 schools left - are in the area that the local Cincinnati news "covers" (at least reports their scores when they play), and we almost all know people who root for each school - but it doesn't really matter to people elsewhere who don't root for any of those schools. If you pointed out the fact to someone in California, they might say "oh, I hadn't noticed that, that's cool." That's about the extent. But it wouldn't be worth, say, ESPN doing a whole piece on it. For one thing, there's not necessarily ties amongst the teams to the area - these teams have players and coaches from all over the country. If these teams were comprised entirely of players from right around their schools, or only in this region, then it would be impressive - there would be stories about how this area of the country clearly produces great basketball players. But as it is, you have coaches from elsewhere, and players from elsewhere, and five different conferences being represented amongst the seven teams. So other than news coverage by media outlets in this region, and overlapping of fanbases, they really have nothing tying them together.


As I briefly mentioned above, North Carolina regularly has three teams in the tourney that are within a few miles of each other - Duke, North Carolina, and NC State. In fact if Duke had not been upset by Lehigh, they might have beaten XU in the next round and then both Ohio and North Carolina would have had three teams in the Sweet 16 from their state, and NC's would have been much closer geographically to each other than Ohio's, and all been in the same conference (ACC). But even that wouldn't have gotten too much media attention - it's just geography.


Hope that makes sense. Not trying to be argumentative, just giving a viewpoint.


P.S. Yes, there are well over 300 Division schools that play basketball. So it is cool to have 7 of the remaining 16 from this area.
 
#13,925 ·

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Originally Posted by pjpjpjpj /forum/post/21802509


... five different conferences being represented amongst the seven teams. So other than news coverage by media outlets in this region, and overlapping of fanbases, they really have nothing tying them together.

The whole "conference" thing is what I wasn't sure of. I didn't want to mention it (or okay, lets call it, "rubbing it in") to my friends in the VA/NC region if it turned out that our six schools were only from a small pool of OH/IN/KY teams in some sort of small midwest conference, rather than nationally.


Whether or not the nation takes note isn't really that important to me. I just didn't want to look like a total noob (well maybe I am
) Anyway, thanks for your answers.
 
#13,926 ·

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Originally Posted by RobLee /forum/post/21803791


I didn't want to mention it (or okay, lets call it, "rubbing it in") to my friends in the VA/NC region if it turned out that our six schools were only from a small pool of OH/IN/KY teams in some sort of small midwest conference, rather than nationally.

Kentucky is the northernmost school in a conference that covers the southeast, stretching from Arkansas to South Carolina and all the way down to Gainesville, FL. Cincinnati and Louisville are in a conference that reaches from New York and Connecticut over to Wisconsin (Marquette), but with most schools located in the northeast. Xavier's conference spreads across the mid-Atlantic, and with the exception of St. Louis University and Dayton, all the other teams are well east of here. Ohio State and Indiana are in the Big Ten, solidly covering big state schools from Minnesota, across the upper midwest over to Pennsylvania. Ohio University is the only school that somewhat fits your description, the MAC, with small schools in Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, northern Illinois, and, randomly, Buffalo.


Virtually all the schools in your friends "neighborhood" are in the same conference, the ACC. UNC, NC St., Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Clemson, etc. They are usually a dominant basketball conference but they had a "relatively" down year.
 
#13,927 ·

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Originally Posted by pjpjpjpj /forum/post/21797483


My original post was, as I said above, because jimp used to go out of his way to diligently post all that info back in the days when it was harder to know and when everything was only on CBS. Part of my point was that these days, we don't really need it, but he did such a great job and took such pride in diligently providing us with the info (to the point where people relied on it) that I was half-jokingly wondering if he was still going to do it, just for old times' sake. Hence the big smiley
in the post.


Sorry you guys got caught in an inside joke and didn't know the history.


And, as to that original question, his absence since implies clearly not.

I believe it was also jimp that gave us the lowdown on NFL football games. Back then only certain games were HD and it was good to know what games were available from Dayton also.
 
#13,928 ·
Anybody know if WCET was down for a while Saturday night? My wife had set Masterpiece to record and more than half of it was no signal. Later that night (11-ish?) I tried tuning into 48.1, .2, and .3 and none had a signal. It was working fine Sunday morning so I'm assuming it was on their end....
 
#13,929 ·

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Originally Posted by pjpjpjpj /forum/post/21860802


Anybody know if WCET was down for a while Saturday night? My wife had set Masterpiece to record and more than half of it was no signal. Later that night (11-ish?) I tried tuning into 48.1, .2, and .3 and none had a signal. It was working fine Sunday morning so I'm assuming it was on their end....

CET was have problems between 10 PM Saturday to 2:30 an Sunday.
 
#13,931 ·
Few things about WKRC ...


#1). Noticed lately during some commercials (not sure what all is affected, as haven't had time to watch much TV, but the local news and what I've checked from CBS HD have been fine) it looks like Field Order is reversed ... As if say, some of these commercials(or whatever) are BFF but encoded/flagged as TFF (or vice versa) ... Update: Watching from 6pm~8pm tonight, it seems this issue only involves a limited number of commercials ...


#2). WKRC TVGOS streams are broken -- They are referenced in program 1 PMT (PID address 0x0030) at PID addresses 0x00110 and 0x0111 as usual, but the streams aren't actually present in the transport stream ...


#3). PAT (0x0000) Currently has bandwidth of about 1.8Mb/s (what you might expect for null packet stream or Mobile DTV/MH stream, not a PAT), there is no null packet stream in their TS currently .... Video streams of program 1("12.1") and 2("12.2") are static bandwidth(14.07Mb/s for 12.1, 2.66Mb/s for 12.2), which seems unusual given they previously used Stat Mux ... Update: Also, PAT is chock full of continuity errors ....


#2 and #3 has been going on at least several days, probably longer, not sure how long #1 has been happening ....


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4/25 Update (16:35EDT) - #2+#3 above Have been Fixed as of currently, WKRC TS is back to normal (with TVGOS streams+Null packet stream) ...
 
#13,932 ·
#13,933 ·

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Originally Posted by mphfrom77 /forum/post/21934510


Hey guys it has been a while since I last researched this. But can you guys tell me the best reasonably priced OTA hdtv antenna? Thanks.


EDIT- something like U4000 is only for like attic right? I am looking to pick up channels 60 to 100 miles away. http://www.summitsource.com/antennac...le-p-6548.html


What about the Winegard 7082P? Would that be suggested over the U4000? http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp...17478&more=yes


I'm on in the wrong forum, or website even with these questions?

mphfrom77,


No, this is definitely the place to ask for help with this, and there are some very knowledgeable and helpful people here.


First off, it's good to go to tvfool.com and get a report of what you should be able to pick up from your home, and how strong those stations are. You can post that report here and get a more detailed recommendation.


Also, what markets are you looking to pick up fro your location? Cincinnati and Louisville have channels in the high-VHF range (WKRC on RF12 and WHAS on RF11), Lexington and Dayton are all-UHF.


The U4000 you posted is a great UHF antenna, and is designed for an outdoor mount. It does fairly well in an attic, but not well enough to get you the 60-100 mile coverage you're looking for. Also, the bow-tie antennas sometimes tend to have multipath issues in the attic, depending on the construction of your house.


Antennacraft and Winegard both make a combined high-VHF and UHF yagi antenna, similar to the older-style combination antennas but not as wide (since they don't cover 2-6 or FM) and thus, less wind load.

Antennacraft's version, which is all I typically install, is the HBU series. The HBU44 or HBU55 would be your best bet in this series.
http://www.summitsource.com/advanced...ft+HBU&x=0&y=0

Winegard's version is the HD-769x series. The 7697 or 7698 would work for you in this case.
http://www.summitsource.com/advanced...rd+769&x=0&y=0


I have found in my installs that these typically work better than separate UHF and VHF antennas, if you plan on combining the two into the same coax. Then again, every situation is different, and your mileage may vary.


If all you need is UHF, my recent favorite has been the Antennacraft G1483. It's not the most directional, but definitely yielded the most gain of any UHF antenna I've installed.

The Antennacraft MXU59 and Winegard HD-9095P are great UHF yagi's also.
http://www.summitsource.com/antennac...le-p-6356.html
http://www.summitsource.com/antennac...le-p-6337.html
http://www.summitsource.com/winegard...le-p-4566.html


If you decide to do the separate UHF/VHF route, the Antennacraft Y10-7-13 is your best bet for high-VHF. You'll also need a good band separator (don't use a splitter, you'll lose 4dB gain), such as the CM 0549.


http://www.summitsource.com/antennac...le-p-9259.html


Lastly, make sure you get a good low-noise preamp. Winegard and Channel Master make great amps.


I hope this helps, and feel free to post any further questions here!


-Rob
 
#13,935 ·

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Originally Posted by robertjchambers /forum/post/21941180


Cincinnati and Louisville have channels in the high-VHF range (WKRC on RF12 and WHAS on RF11)...

Has anyone around Cincinnati been able to get WHAS, even through tropospheric ducting? If so, I don't think anyone has mentioned it in this thread. Back when analog was on the air, WAVE wasn't too difficult to receive if your antenna could pick up low-VHF.
 
#13,938 ·
is wkrc 12-2 broadcasting in hd. my tivo says 12-2 programs are broadcast in hd while my tv with a converter box says its not broadcasting in hd. which one is correct?



which outdoor antenna will improve my (daytime) reception of indianapolis tv. most nights in sharonville the antennacraft u4000 will pick up the uhf stations (channel 6, wipb in marion indiana and others) but the vhf stations 8 and 13 only come in during trippo nights. My house is on a hill with a clear view to the west/northwest. Am i wasting my time and money?
 
#13,940 ·
The only way to CW in HD is to point your antenna towards Dayton and then tune to 26.1. I'm too far south of Dayton to get WBDT but you might get a good signal in Cincinnati especially in the northern burbs their would be no problems getting WBDT.
 
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