My Panasonic 50" S30 Plasma got here today, and I'm on the lookout for good picture settings and/or break-in slides. I found the thread for D-Nice's stuff, but they advised to only use those slides & settings for the ST30 series. I'm kind of a stickler when it comes to getting the best picture I can, so if anyone can link me or post some calibration for the S30, that would be wonderful. Most viewing would be with 1080p content in a darkened living room. (I don't do much day watching.)
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Originally Posted by sage11x /forum/post/21932596
I hate DTS. Seriously, the world would be a better place without it...
I'm curious as to why my set won't pass 5.1. Maybe I'm missing something-- not sure. I guess I'm not too worried about it. My onkyo hasn't any hdmi handshake issues and I route all my components through there. Although I have been struggling with my ps3 lately as I can't seem to get my onkyo to accept LPCM at anything over the entry 48k when it accepts higher bit rates from my oppo just fine!
Ha! Well, can't tell you then. Perhaps my onkyo is responsible for it not passing? I do notice that my ps3 goes from 2 channel LPCM to 5.1 channel LPCM when the receiver is switched on or off... Who knows. Either way it doesn't bother me as I don't new the toslink for anything but OTA anyway and the only other connection is Wii and that's stereo (pro logic).
Ha! Well, can't tell you then. Perhaps my onkyo is responsible for it not passing? I do notice that my ps3 goes from 2 channel LPCM to 5.1 channel LPCM when the receiver is switched on or off... Who knows. Either way it doesn't bother me as I don't new the toslink for anything but OTA anyway and the only other connection is Wii and that's stereo (pro logic).
I need to talk to an engineer. Customer service gave me the description in the manual-- that it enhances the picture for menu text. That's great and all but WHAT is it changing exactly? And why the heck would you have a picture setting buried in the menu just to enhance menu selections?
What I thought it may be doing is affecting color space-- but then there is already a setting for standard/nonstandard color space. There is definitely a noticeable lowering of gamma but it's too much. It's like you go from one extreme to the other.
Either way I'm officially less enthusiastic about my display as my dad just upgraded from his st30 to an st50 and his initial assessment is there is a substantial difference is picture. He made a particular note about the black levels. Color me officially jealous. I wish they still sold an "S"-- that is the picture quality of the ST with none of the crap I don't need. All indications seem to point at the UT50 being more on par with 2011 PQ than 2012.
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I need to talk to an engineer. Customer service gave me the description in the manual-- that it enhances the picture for menu text. That's great and all but WHAT is it changing exactly? And why the heck would you have a picture setting buried in the menu just to enhance menu selections?
What I thought it may be doing is affecting color space-- but then there is already a setting for standard/nonstandard color space. There is definitely a noticeable lowering of gamma but it's too much. It's like you go from one extreme to the other.
Either way I'm officially less enthusiastic about my display as my dad just upgraded from his st30 to an st50 and his initial assessment is there is a substantial difference is picture. He made a particular note about the black levels. Color me officially jealous. I wish they still sold an "S"-- that is the picture quality of the ST with none of the crap I don't need. All indications seem to point at the UT50 being more on par with 2011 PQ than 2012.
On the ST30 it is valuable when using mid panel brightness. It helps the saturation and luminance. My pro calibrator recommended it, check out the st30 diy thread for more info.
On the ST30 it is valuable when using mid panel brightness. It helps the saturation and luminance. My pro calibrator recommended it, check out the st30 diy thread for more info.
My problem is if all it does is improve the picture then why didn't Panasonic just affect this change by default? There has to be some adverse effect by using it. Maybe processing or something.
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My problem is if all it does is improve the picture then why didn't Panasonic just affect this change by default? There has to be some adverse effect by using it. Maybe processing or something.
From everything I have read and experienced personally it has no adverse impact at all, it does however improve color accuracy on mid and high panel brightnesses.
From everything I have read and experienced personally it has no adverse impact at all, it does however improve color accuracy on mid and high panel brightnesses.
The S30 has no pro picture adjustments-- the graphics setting appears to raise gamma. I don't see why this setting would affect gamma when there already is a gamma setting on the ST30. No, I feel like I'm wrong here: it looks like it's adjusting gamma but I think it's doing something else.
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The S30 has no pro picture adjustments-- the graphics setting appears to raise gamma. I don't see why this setting would affect gamma when there already is a gamma setting on the ST30. No, I feel like I'm wrong here: it looks like it's adjusting gamma but I think it's doing something else.
Maybe it behaves differently on the S30 not sure, I can only testify to what I have seen and what Chad measured on my set and others. Are you trying to use that setting to overcome a particular picture issue ?
Maybe it behaves differently on the S30 not sure, I can only testify to what I have seen and what Chad measured on my set and others. Are you trying to use that setting to overcome a particular picture issue ?
No, I don't use it. A lot of the guys here have and they like the way it affects the picture. I have no use for it in cinema as cinema is damn near perfect (or as close as this display can approximate)-- but I have been trying to massage game mode into a more acceptable picture without the benefit of adequate picture modes. Both the S and ST (and GT from what i've seen) have really high gamma in game mode and there is no way to change it. The graphics selection appears to lower the gamma but it goes too far, producing an unnaturally 'light' image while simultaneously reducing the overall luminance of the display. It almost seems to 'compress' the picture. In a way, I suppose, that would support the gamma argument.
I'm just more curious as to WHAT the switch actually controls? The description in the manual and from Panasonic doesn't satisfy me.
Sage, I feel you for wanting to know what all your controls do...I also hope that you can find some level of satisfaction and enjoy your set. For me to keep it I had to get to that point.Which I have now.I don't profess to be a videophile but I do like my equipment setup correctly and sounding and looking good. Which I feel I have with this set. For the money I spent I love it!!
Since I'm using 2 speakers in a soundbar setup anyway passing only stereo sound is okay for me. Actually preferable.
We'll see how I feel after my first REAL audition with my dad's 60ST50 tonight!
Going to watch MI:GP which I just watched this week on my 50S30 so, while it won't be a head-to-head, it'll still be fresh in my mind. Not comparing the two, per se, as the ST is literally twice the price of my S-- but I am interested to see how much of an improvement the ST50 is. No offense to either my dad or dbreen, I really didn't see any PQ difference between the S and the ST outside of the custom picture mode and the STs superior light rejection; and as I've stated many times my interest is in a 'dumb' monitor-- I do not wish to pay for a plethora of features I will not use or I already have in the variety of boxes beneath my set. For that reason the S was a nice set as it offered all the picture quality and most of the features I WOULD use on the highly regarded ST30 without having to pay for those features I won't use (as well as getting a sexier bezel, IMO).
Cnet's David K said as much in a recent article calling for more manufacturers to offer their best PQ in scaled down 'dumb monitors' with a reduced price tag for those of us whose concern is PQ first and foremost. Not that we don't want features... But the simple fact is between my Xbox 360, ps3, oppo 980h, wii and the onkyo 509 that pulls it all together I have every feature I could ever want! TVs with built in streaming are nice-- but as I already have that capability why not offer me a set without? And no, I don't want your scaled back, cheaped out, poor picture quality set! I hated that Panasonic isn't offering an S this year-- the PQ of the ST without the 3d, etc..
Dtbreen, sage and anybody else. Put down your final calibration settings. For gaming also if you have some for gaming.
Here are my settings:
Custom
Contrast 80
Brightness 59
Color 47
Tint +3
Sharpness 50 thru 65 (your choice)
Color temp normal
Everything else off
Hdmi content auto & off
I was using graphic hdmi content content but on games like madden the green was dull. I can't get my games to look right in cinema plus I don't like cinema gamma. Please help guys so I can stop messing with my tv!!
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Dtbreen, sage and anybody else. Put down your final calibration settings. For gaming also if you have some for gaming.
Here are my settings:
Custom
Contrast 80
Brightness 59
Color 47
Tint +3
Sharpness 50 thru 65 (your choice)
Color temp normal
Everything else off
Hdmi content auto & off
I was using graphic hdmi content content but on games like madden the green was dull. I can't get my games to look right in cinema plus I don't like cinema gamma. Please help guys so I can stop messing with my tv!!
Just view back a few pages, I haven't changed my settings. IMO, cinema on warm1 looks about as good as it gets for this set-- but it's too dim for games. Pretty sure I posted my game settings too.
Tried it-- didn't like it. I think it would help to know what the setting is actually doing so I can make picture adjustments accordingly. I find game works fine as I generally boost the brightness/gamma option in-game as it is.
I did try the non-standard and used the corresponding setting in the Xbox (expanded). I actually really liked this but abandoned it as I would have to run a separate hdmi line as right now everything goes through the receiver.
Didn't see that comment..For me I use a Panasonic sound bar that splits apart to become 2 speakers for true stereo use. This is why I said that for me 2 channel is all I need.
I would tend to believe that it will pass 5.1 if the other sets do.Unfortunately I can't verify on my end. Where we have this set setup,it will never see 5.1.
I've read nothing official at all and I am also surprised that there should be any difference between the models in this respect. It was actually sage11x who made the initial statement about the optical out only passing through stereo. He then wondered if it was model specific. You and at least one other person have noted that only stereo seems to get passed through on the 60" models. My 50" clearly passes 5.1 from its various HDMI inputs through its optical output.
Looks like Panasonic has made a leap in PQ across the board. I expected the ST/GT/VT to be an improvement but I sort of figured the UT and U models would be more in line with the 2011 line than the 2012. This doesn't appear to be the case as cnet has just reviewed the UT and found it has very good picture quality (not as good as the ST but closer than they expected considering it's budget price) and even deeper blacks!
Water under the bridge now as my return date has come and gone and my S is still mounted happily to my stand. I really do like this set but the uniformity issues and the lack of proper picture controls along with it's somewhat limited bright room usability stop me short from LOVING it like I did my prior panasonic. Either way, I'll tell you this much: I'm so glad I didn't spend anymore money for a 2011 set! Lol! The 2012 are a significant improvement but the knowledge that it will probably be another 6 to 8 months before prices fall to the level I paid makes me feel a *little* better about my purchase.
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