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Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 09:21 PM
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Posted By batpig
Welcome to the club, it's got a lot of members. A...

Welcome to the club, it's got a lot of members. A greater SNR improvement than any high end DAC ;)
Forum: Speakers   09-15-2014, 09:13 PM
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You might have missed my post in the other thread...

You might have missed my post in the other thread but I linked a few Veritas ads on local craigslists in SoCal. There's a pair of 2.3i in Chino for a reasonable price too.

The flaw has to do with...
Forum: Speakers   09-15-2014, 09:08 PM
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Posted By batpig
Assuming you have a good sub to fill in, one...

Assuming you have a good sub to fill in, one thing you can do is swap a bad woofer for a good from the other V2.3 and run them each with one good woofer. They will obviously be a bit bash shy and...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 05:33 PM
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Posted By batpig
I hope you are right and that's what they are...

I hope you are right and that's what they are referring to. It is definitely correct that using the more cookie cutter "Dolby Atmos" amp assign mode you are severely limited in terms of how you can...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 05:31 PM
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Posted By batpig
More specifically, since you asked about the REAR...

More specifically, since you asked about the REAR ceiling speakers, they will ONLY make noise with Dolby Surround upmixer. The other upmixers (DTS Neo:X and Audyssey DSX) can only mix to the FRONT...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 04:42 PM
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Posted By batpig
What's funny is that until Sanjay shared a photo...

What's funny is that until Sanjay shared a photo (offline) of an AV meet, I thought your avator photo actually WAS you :p
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 04:30 PM
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Posted By batpig
That is not correct. If your receiver doesn't...

That is not correct. If your receiver doesn't have Atmos, it will be no different than any other 5.1 or 7.1 Blu-ray. In other words, for the heights to make noise, you would need to apply some sort...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 04:20 PM
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Posted By batpig
Some of the responses to my post seemed to...

Some of the responses to my post seemed to indicate that folks had tested and could NOT get it to work as I described. See quotes below from Petedwitt and esappy -- they both indicate that you need...
Forum: Speakers   09-15-2014, 04:16 PM
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Posted By batpig
The fact that the test tones are really low...

The fact that the test tones are really low volume from that one V2.2 indicates it's not a simple "false positive" phase error. And I assume when you swapped cables the "bad" speaker stayed "bad"...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 03:59 PM
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Posted By batpig
Something isn't adding up for me with this. ...

Something isn't adding up for me with this. Let's walk through the steps again....


1. Set Amp Assign to "11.1ch" mode
2. Set Height Speakers setting to "4 Height Speakers"
3. Set Height...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 03:50 PM
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Posted By batpig
Yes, all networked Denons have a Save/Load...

Yes, all networked Denons have a Save/Load function that can be accessed through the web browser interface. It doesn't just save Audyssey, it saves EVERYTHING about the configuration state for the...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 03:39 PM
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Posted By batpig
Bummer, Larry, sorry to hear you have been struck...

Bummer, Larry, sorry to hear you have been struck with the "frozen woofer" curse. Some replacement woofers come up on eBay now and then but you may want to think about replacing them with newer "i"...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 01:54 PM
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Posted By batpig
This understanding is wrong, which is why we are...

This understanding is wrong, which is why we are talking about it. Please check out pp 218-220 of the X5200W manual which describes the settings available for 11.1ch amp assign mode. You can't just...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 01:51 PM
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Posted By batpig
Yeah, that's not happening. I need the "Dynamic"...

Yeah, that's not happening. I need the "Dynamic" part, too much variability in how I listen and I prefer the simplicity of the "set and forget" solution that just makes it sound approximately as...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 01:48 PM
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Posted By batpig
Yes, Chris was unambiguous -- overhead speakers...

Yes, Chris was unambiguous -- overhead speakers (whether heights, tops, or "virtual" atmos speakers) do not receive the level boost that DEQ applies to the surround channels.

I do wonder (after...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 01:40 PM
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Posted By batpig
Just to be clear, are we talking about the "Dolby...

Just to be clear, are we talking about the "Dolby Atmos" amp assign mode or the "11.1ch" amp assign mode? The former is a lot less flexible than the latter.

So with the settings laid out exactly...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 01:36 PM
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Posted By batpig
Another thing -- at this point my tests have all...

Another thing -- at this point my tests have all been late-night-listening style, with low SPL and Dyn Vol on. It occured to me that maybe the lack of "obviousness" or "impact" of the Atmos modules...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 01:21 PM
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Posted By batpig
It would engender some really funny looks from my...

It would engender some really funny looks from my wife but I could try to give it a shot. I might have to splice some wire in because I don't think I have enough slack to get them too much lower...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 01:08 PM
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Posted By batpig
And more ammo for the "no accounting for taste"...

And more ammo for the "no accounting for taste" conclusion:
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 12:41 PM
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Posted By batpig
I do think it's possible as JD said, but since...

I do think it's possible as JD said, but since nobody has actually reported having done it, to some degree it's still an open question as to whether you can run a 7.1.4 Atmos layout with the only 2...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 12:07 PM
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Posted By batpig
Out of curiosity what is the height of your...

Out of curiosity what is the height of your surrounds (you mentioned azimuth)?

I ask because, at this point (very limited testing) I am not noticing a dramatic change to my 5.1 setup with the...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 11:43 AM
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Posted By batpig
A speaker makes noise. It doesn't matter if it's...

A speaker makes noise. It doesn't matter if it's sitting on the floor or stuck to the wall or inside the wall. Or, more specifically, there is nothing specific about Atmos that changes this. If...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 09:40 AM
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Posted By batpig
So to reinforce my point further -- you say the...

So to reinforce my point further -- you say the Dolby room blew the Pio room away. But Kris said:




So again, obviously a lot of subjectivity here!
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 09:38 AM
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Posted By batpig
The 8th/9th bed channels correspond to the...

The 8th/9th bed channels correspond to the HEIGHTS not the "front wide" position. So a 7.1.4 setup is theoretically all you need to get the whole shebang.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   09-15-2014, 09:10 AM
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Posted By batpig
I think an important point here is that there's...

I think an important point here is that there's no accounting for taste. Several other reports have stated that the Pio demo was one of (if not) the most impressive Atmos demos at the show. For...
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