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Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 06:42 PM
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Posted By fierce_gt
that's interesting, when I did mine I was trying...

that's interesting, when I did mine I was trying to figure out what the point of 'bright room' was if it had the same black levels as off. figured something might change on the top end, which appears...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 03:22 PM
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Posted By fierce_gt
gotcha. I wasn't sure if that was the way you...

gotcha. I wasn't sure if that was the way you liked it, or the way you 'learned' to do it to protect your plasma.


that's exactly my plan. hang onto the f8500 until I WANT an oled. no pressure to...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 03:15 PM
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Posted By fierce_gt
yeah, I understood none of that. i'll let...

yeah, I understood none of that. i'll let somebody else handle this, haha
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 03:00 PM
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Views: 372
Posted By fierce_gt
I don't want to say too much as I don't have the...

I don't want to say too much as I don't have the measurements or experience to say anything definitive, like the f8500's blacks begin to rise at 5%apl, and by 15% apl they are, blah blah. I haven't...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 01:07 PM
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Posted By fierce_gt
yeah, but the other 99% of us haven't had that...

yeah, but the other 99% of us haven't had that happen. makes me wonder what the difference is? I'm pretty sure, that once you turn it off, the only way it'll come back on, is if you change a setting....
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 12:32 PM
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Posted By fierce_gt
I guess my confusion is why any of these actually...

I guess my confusion is why any of these actually are issues?


the input lag on the f8500 is VERY comparable to the average flat panel. it's not competitive gamer quick by any means, but if you...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 12:15 PM
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Posted By fierce_gt
no question oled is the future. last years LG...

no question oled is the future. last years LG oleds are the only reason I don't have a closet full of f8500's right now. I've seen that plasma can be replaced, and improved upon in the one major way...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 12:05 PM
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Views: 372
Posted By fierce_gt
again this is just 'for me', but I don't believe...

again this is just 'for me', but I don't believe the 60f5300 offers enough to be sufficient for a main display at any price. it's very close, but I know if I bought one of the other tv's, I would...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 11:56 AM
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Posted By fierce_gt
what's unfortunate for me, is that now that I own...

what's unfortunate for me, is that now that I own an f8500, it's been a constant struggle trying to keep the luminance down a comfortable level... haha


there's really no big advantage to having...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 10:59 AM
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Posted By fierce_gt
ok, time for some more science :) I used...

ok, time for some more science :)


I used the 'small' APL patterns from HCFR. I attached an image of the pattern when displaying 10% grey. obviously I used the 0% pattern.


my results:
Dark...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 10:52 AM
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Posted By fierce_gt
I think it's important to remember that Samsung...

I think it's important to remember that Samsung released something like 20FW updates in 2013. they did as much as they could already.


the 'fixes' for any more issues seem to be hardware...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 10:40 AM
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Posted By fierce_gt
I meant i'll try both patterns in the HCFR...

I meant i'll try both patterns in the HCFR folder. although, I'm pretty certain the 'Large' is much higher than 25% APL. so far I'm basically getting the same results as the ANSI black level with it....
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 10:13 AM
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Posted By fierce_gt
hmm, guess I can try it with both. I've got the...

hmm, guess I can try it with both. I've got the day off anyway, haha
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 09:32 AM
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Posted By fierce_gt
do you know what pattern I'd use for that in...

do you know what pattern I'd use for that in HCFR? there's a couple folders, 10/25% greyscale large, 10/25% greyscale small... I'm assuming it's one of those?


large or small?
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 09:27 AM
Replies: 55
Views: 1,704
Posted By fierce_gt
if you can't make a better tv, make a different...

if you can't make a better tv, make a different tv and tell ppl it's better...


seriously, it's marketing. they needed something to set them apart from the competition. this was what they came up...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 08:38 AM
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Posted By fierce_gt
I'm not sure what you're asking? put up a 25%...

I'm not sure what you're asking? put up a 25% grey pattern and then move the sensor to the edge where its black and measure?


EDIT: well if that's what you want, that's what I did and these are...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 08:28 AM
Replies: 24
Views: 372
Posted By fierce_gt
personally I would go with the f8500 first,...

personally I would go with the f8500 first, 64f5300(or I guess the h5000, according to KOF. I didn't know the 64f5300 didn't get a rev b) second, and 60f5300 a DISTANT third.


the biggest...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 08:09 AM
Replies: 55
Views: 1,704
Posted By fierce_gt
I still think you are quoting absolute worst case...

I still think you are quoting absolute worst case scenarios. not in viewing habits, with more detail your viewing habits sound pretty tame to me... but with results. if me using my tv as a computer...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 07:54 AM
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Posted By fierce_gt
I don't think anybody's gotten over 60ftl in at...

I don't think anybody's gotten over 60ftl in at least a year. the story is too many ppl complained to Samsung and that was part of their 'fw fix'...haha. so be careful what you ask for. the only way...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-18-2014, 12:25 AM
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Posted By fierce_gt
I can't help too much with the 24fps stuff,...

I can't help too much with the 24fps stuff, cinema smooth is the 96hz function. I've never used it, I don't know of any other features that change 24hz blurays to something else... I thought the only...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-17-2014, 07:51 PM
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Posted By fierce_gt
as stereodude said, once it's grey-ed out it...

as stereodude said, once it's grey-ed out it 'defaults' to 16-235, or the low setting. but it won't necessary SAY low when it's greyed out, it'll show you the setting you chose for when it's...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-17-2014, 07:45 PM
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Posted By fierce_gt
I only got my meter recently, so these were the...

I only got my meter recently, so these were the first measurements I'd ever made. but I will say, my values for black steadily rose as I did the calibrations. they start at about .009, and rise to...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-17-2014, 07:17 PM
Replies: 55
Views: 1,704
Posted By fierce_gt
I already know what the rebuttle for this will be...

I already know what the rebuttle for this will be but, I wouldn't judge a products reliability based on how quickly I could ruin it on purpose. if something has a known limitation, that's easily...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-17-2014, 06:59 PM
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Views: 382,896
Posted By fierce_gt
those must have been tested differently. I don't...

those must have been tested differently. I don't have a leo bodnar or anything fancy, just hooked up two displays and used a fast shutter speed to capture. I actually did get slightly over 40ms for...
Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays   09-17-2014, 06:49 PM
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Posted By fierce_gt
I personally use PC mode for gaming. but game...

I personally use PC mode for gaming. but game mode is pretty decent as well. there's about a 15ms difference between the two settings, but the picture options in game mode are vastly superior.

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