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Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-21-2014, 10:59 AM
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Posted By batpig
Again, I think there are two key restrictions...

Again, I think there are two key restrictions that are inviolate:

1. You can only have FOUR elevated speakers (so you can't have four "top" speakers for Atmos and a separate pair of "Front Height"...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-21-2014, 10:33 AM
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Posted By batpig
I may be missing something but I don't think you...

I may be missing something but I don't think you can use DSX, Neo:X, etc. with the "virtual" Atmos height speakers.

Taking the Denon as an example, you have to specifically designate that you...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-21-2014, 09:24 AM
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Posted By batpig
The issue (not just the X4100W but the higher...

The issue (not just the X4100W but the higher models is well) is that it appears they support a MAX of FOUR height/top speakers. The "Front Wide" outputs can't be configured to output a third pair...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-21-2014, 09:17 AM
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Posted By batpig
I assume by 9.1.2 configuration you mean 7.1 +...

I assume by 9.1.2 configuration you mean 7.1 + Front Wides + 1 pair of Height/Tops. What we DO know (based on the speaker output chart on pg 287) is that Dolby Surround upmixer, as implemented on...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-20-2014, 06:21 PM
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Posted By batpig
#1...

#1 (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1) is going to b tough but unless I am totally misreading the manual #2...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-20-2014, 06:17 PM
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Posted By batpig
JD and I have been explicitly told the 7200 (like...

JD and I have been explicitly told the 7200 (like the 5200) is 9 amps, 11ch max at a time. I have no reason to believe the Marantz models (which are based on the same internals) will be any...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-20-2014, 10:41 AM
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Posted By batpig
Again, this argument is premised on the...

Again, this argument is premised on the assumption that an object will take up as much data as a channel. That's the only way to conclude that 20% increase in file size is equal to 2 objects. What...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-20-2014, 10:04 AM
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Posted By batpig
This makes no sense. First of all why would you...

This makes no sense. First of all why would you assume that one object = one channel in terms of file size (10 x 20% = 2 objects)?

More importantly though the initial reference is a 20% increase...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-20-2014, 09:05 AM
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Posted By batpig
You can do it on the front panel or the main...

You can do it on the front panel or the main remote. This is all covered in your manual.

No real harm having them on other than a bit more power consumption.
Forum: Subwoofers, Bass, and Transducers   08-20-2014, 06:47 AM
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Posted By batpig
Get the better sub (SVS or RA). Stepping up from...

Get the better sub (SVS or RA). Stepping up from the $200-300 range to the $500 sub is still well before the point of marginal gains on the subwoofer price/performance curve, especially given the...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-20-2014, 06:34 AM
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Posted By batpig
Isn't HDMI just awesome? :rolleyes:

Isn't HDMI just awesome? :rolleyes:
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-19-2014, 01:42 PM
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Posted By batpig
You aren't wrong. Why you are missing though is...

You aren't wrong. Why you are missing though is that for some time the vast majority of content will NOT be natively mixed in Atmos.

As long as you have more speakers installed than the...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-19-2014, 01:37 PM
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Posted By batpig
No, it's a hardware (chipset) limitation. Go back...

No, it's a hardware (chipset) limitation. Go back a couple of pages and it's discussed thoroughly. Basically there do not yet exist chipsets which support BOTH the full bandwidth HDMI 2.0 standard...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-19-2014, 01:00 PM
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Posted By batpig
All networked Denon/Marantz receivers allow you...

All networked Denon/Marantz receivers allow you to Save and Load configurations through the web browser interface. It takes about 10 minutes to Save/Load so not good for instant switching but very...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-19-2014, 12:56 PM
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Posted By batpig
One of the most important pages in the Denon...

One of the most important pages in the Denon manual (especially with these complex 9+ channel models) is the table of channel output based on surround mode (pg 287 in the X5200W manual) that shows...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-19-2014, 09:56 AM
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Posted By batpig
Again, the discussion above is about the Dolby...

Again, the discussion above is about the Dolby Surround UPMIXER not Atmos itself. And what started this entire discussion about DSU supporting wides or not is in fact the X5200W, because the manual...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-19-2014, 09:52 AM
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Posted By batpig
Unless you are using the Pio for something else...

Unless you are using the Pio for something else maybe think about selling it and getting something like the Audiosource AMP 100 which has an auto-on circuit. It's a very popular choice for an...
Forum: Speakers   08-19-2014, 09:50 AM
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Posted By batpig
I live in the Mission Hills / Hillcrest area...

I live in the Mission Hills / Hillcrest area (just north of downtown) and work up the coast in Solana Beach. Welcome to town :) hope you don't miss the rain!
Forum: Speakers   08-19-2014, 09:49 AM
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Posted By batpig
I've been following along but honestly I'm at a...

I've been following along but honestly I'm at a bit of a loss. I have to imagine (based on your follow up posts) that there is psychoacoustic effect going on where your brain is getting "tricked"...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-19-2014, 09:31 AM
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Posted By batpig
If you are using 7 channels (or more) in the main...

If you are using 7 channels (or more) in the main zone you are out of internal amps so you must use external amps to power Zones 2/3. Even if you have an external amp for main zone you can't...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-19-2014, 09:28 AM
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Posted By batpig
This is the thread for last year's (2013) lower...

This is the thread for last year's (2013) lower level models. You should probably head to the X4100/X5200/X7200 official thread for future questions:...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-19-2014, 09:18 AM
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Posted By batpig
Brand loyalty, aesthetics, subjective...

Brand loyalty, aesthetics, subjective preference.... the business model of nearly identical products rebadged to related brands isn't anything new.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-19-2014, 09:17 AM
Replies: 252
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Posted By batpig
To supplement Selden's post, this Audioholics...

To supplement Selden's post, this Audioholics article on the internal differences between the Marantz versions vs. their Denon counterparts is helpful:...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-19-2014, 08:52 AM
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Posted By batpig
Turn them off.

Turn them off.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-18-2014, 04:47 PM
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Posted By batpig
Seems like you understand things correctly.... ...

Seems like you understand things correctly....

The "curve copy" to the manual EQ means you are switching from the full Audyssey filters to a more basic 9-band Graphic EQ. This is effectively a...
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