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Forum: Speakers   05-24-2017, 06:12 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
Actually, that makes sense - I don't see a...

Actually, that makes sense - I don't see a contradiction. The problem is that a) speakers are in different rooms and in different positions, and b) the measurements being compared must take all the...
Forum: Speakers   05-24-2017, 05:53 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
LOL! Fair enough. But I did say at the beginning...

LOL! Fair enough. But I did say at the beginning of the thread my intention was to discuss where Pro and Synthesis intersect. Synthesis is designed for the home, not an auditorium. Some Pro products...
Forum: Speakers   05-24-2017, 05:50 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
To directly answer your questions: They...

To directly answer your questions:

They don't use toe-in. Most of the time speakers are tested singly, in mono. Originally tests were done in stereo (and they still occasionally are), but they...
Forum: Speakers   05-24-2017, 05:34 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
They are going to sound different because of the...

They are going to sound different because of the other factors I alluded to - dispersion, directivity, and sound power. This is why the Spinorama graphs I mentioned previously are being adopted as...
Forum: Speakers   05-24-2017, 05:21 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
These are all completely legitimate issues, and...

These are all completely legitimate issues, and like you say, it's getting much harder to audition a variety of speakers live, in person. The room becomes the dominant factor below the Schroeder...
Forum: Speakers   05-24-2017, 04:57 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
Respectfully, did you take a moment to read the...

Respectfully, did you take a moment to read the studies I linked to? Some of them directly refute what you are saying. The scientific research shows that people prefer accurate speakers regardless of...
Forum: Speakers   05-23-2017, 08:13 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
Fair enough. But the idea that speaker sound is...

Fair enough. But the idea that speaker sound is purely subjective and that accuracy doesn't matter has been pretty thoroughly been proven wrong. When given a choice, people will overwhelmingly pick...
Forum: Speakers   05-23-2017, 06:36 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
Also important to point out - Harman's testing is...

Also important to point out - Harman's testing is open to peer review, in line with the spirit of pure science. The R&D department of Harman publishes their results so that all speaker manufacturers...
Forum: Speakers   05-23-2017, 06:33 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
Yes, that's absolutely true! And it really...

Yes, that's absolutely true! And it really emphasizes why there is a need for standardization. Accurate is accurate, just like if you are trying to reproduce the green of a golf course on your TV....
Forum: Speakers   05-23-2017, 06:03 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
Actually, I see and understand both sides. But...

Actually, I see and understand both sides. But threads always get off track. I created the Synthesis thread to talk about Synthesis products, and somehow speakers like the 4722 and 3677 end up...
Forum: Speakers   05-23-2017, 05:57 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
I might very well take you up on that!

I might very well take you up on that!
Forum: Speakers   05-23-2017, 05:53 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
Sure, and that's your prerogative. But wouldn't...

Sure, and that's your prerogative. But wouldn't you love to do a speaker listening test under double blind conditions, so you knew you weren't being swayed by confirmation bias, a slight difference...
Forum: Speakers   05-23-2017, 05:20 PM
Replies: 91
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Posted By John Schuermann
Most of the tests are done by trained listeners,...

Most of the tests are done by trained listeners, but if you read the articles linked to above Harman has literally brought in busloads of kids as well as listeners from around the world for their...
Forum: Speakers   05-23-2017, 04:42 PM
Replies: 91
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Posted By John Schuermann
The science doesn't back this up - as I mentioned...

The science doesn't back this up - as I mentioned in my previous post, peer reviewed, scientific data undertaken by Harman and published with the AES shows that speakers that have flat, neutral...
Forum: Speakers   05-23-2017, 04:20 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
1. Definitely! And thanks for taking the time to...

1. Definitely! And thanks for taking the time to write a thoughtful response. I clipped much of what you wrote because, quite honestly, it's over my head :)

2. MLL stands for Multichannel...
Forum: Speakers   05-23-2017, 02:23 PM
Replies: 91
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Posted By John Schuermann
First of all, full disclosure up front - I'm a...

First of all, full disclosure up front - I'm a Harman (Revel / JBL) and Paradigm dealer, so feel free to be skeptical about what I post. However, there is solid science behind what I have to say -...
Forum: Speakers   05-23-2017, 01:52 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
Well, sure. But it's not like these guys don't...

Well, sure. But it's not like these guys don't have significant relationships with other manufacturers as well (in fact, I know they do because they talk about them). However, I would still think...
Forum: Speakers   05-23-2017, 11:15 AM
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Posted By John Schuermann
A point of interest for those monitoring this...

A point of interest for those monitoring this thread. I reached out to Dr. Sean Olive the other day to get his thoughts on headphone choices (for anyone not following his blog posts, he's been doing...
Forum: Speakers   05-23-2017, 10:50 AM
Replies: 1,594
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Posted By John Schuermann
A point of interest for those monitoring this...

A point of interest for those monitoring this thread. I reached out to Dr. Sean Olive the other day to get his thoughts on headphone choices (for anyone not following his blog posts, he's been doing...
Forum: Speakers   05-23-2017, 10:28 AM
Replies: 2,924
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Posted By John Schuermann
:) Can't help it - Godzilla is my guilty...

:)

Can't help it - Godzilla is my guilty pleasure, since way back when I was a kid. Wasn't trying to compare them, anyway - Godzilla is a mediocre movie at best. Some nice directorial flourishes...
Forum: Speakers   05-22-2017, 06:53 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
It's the dead silence that comes after the bomb...

It's the dead silence that comes after the bomb blast that makes all that rattle obvious. I'm sure that the fixtures are rattling all the time and it's just masked most of the time by the rest of the...
Forum: Speakers   05-22-2017, 06:41 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
LOL - when I play the atomic bomb blast at the...

LOL - when I play the atomic bomb blast at the beginning of "Godzilla" (2014), I can literally hear every light fixture in the house rattle.
Forum: Speakers   05-22-2017, 06:39 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
Some more: Many DIY measurement methods are...

Some more:

Many DIY measurement methods are time consuming and fraught with opportunities for inconsistency and error. You can also make your own car from scratch; very few people do, but many...
Forum: Speakers   05-22-2017, 06:33 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
What about those people who say "music is my...

What about those people who say "music is my life"? I'm one of those people :)

I do think that sometimes the discussion gets mean-spirited and personal, and I think that sometimes I am guilty of...
Forum: Speakers   05-22-2017, 05:25 PM
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Posted By John Schuermann
OK, awediophile, you asked for clarification...

OK, awediophile, you asked for clarification about the Klippel, you got it! Thanks to Tim Gladwin at Harman:

The Klippel is not just for transducers - it does not know whether it is hooked up to a...
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