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Forum: Digital Hi-End Projectors - $3,000+ USD MSRP   04-20-2017, 11:13 AM
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Posted By curlyjive
Let us know what his thoughts are if you can.

Let us know what his thoughts are if you can.
Forum: Digital Hi-End Projectors - $3,000+ USD MSRP   04-20-2017, 09:43 AM
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Posted By curlyjive
I'd love to sit Oppo engineers down and make them...

I'd love to sit Oppo engineers down and make them look at this over and over to see if they can spot the problem:D
Forum: Digital Hi-End Projectors - $3,000+ USD MSRP   04-20-2017, 09:38 AM
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Posted By curlyjive
The only downside to check for (and this was...

The only downside to check for (and this was something I found when using this control in SDR) is crushing white. If you look a a scene with sky and clouds and adjust that control too far you will...
Forum: Digital Hi-End Projectors - $3,000+ USD MSRP   04-20-2017, 06:41 AM
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Posted By curlyjive
That's interesting. There must be some reason why...

That's interesting. There must be some reason why the Oppo looks softer in some setups and sharper in others. I wish I had another projector to a/b the two players with. I don't doubt some are seeing...
Forum: Digital Hi-End Projectors - $3,000+ USD MSRP   04-19-2017, 07:25 PM
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Posted By curlyjive
Yeah I remember that too. Sadly it has not...

Yeah I remember that too. Sadly it has not improved. When it was first released you had to raise the brightness +8 and if I remember the crushing wasn't as bad then, but that caused other issues....
Forum: Digital Hi-End Projectors - $3,000+ USD MSRP   04-19-2017, 06:57 PM
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Posted By curlyjive
It does seem setup dependent. The oled example...

It does seem setup dependent. The oled example from the video does show an advantage to the Panasonic and it does seem its 4:4:4 up sampling is superior. Certainly it's sdr conversion is as well. It...
Forum: Digital Hi-End Projectors - $3,000+ USD MSRP   04-19-2017, 06:39 PM
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Posted By curlyjive
True the 4910 is eshift 3 vs 4, it would only be...

True the 4910 is eshift 3 vs 4, it would only be an unfair test if I had used different projectors with each player. It is totally possible that eshift 3 works better with the oppo in terms of detail...
Forum: Digital Hi-End Projectors - $3,000+ USD MSRP   04-19-2017, 06:06 PM
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Posted By curlyjive
They are not uhd. Through eshift you get around...

They are not uhd. Through eshift you get around 3k. But since both players where used on the same projector, it seemed a fair comparison. I can't say why the oppo was definitely sharper than the...
Forum: Digital Hi-End Projectors - $3,000+ USD MSRP   04-19-2017, 06:03 PM
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Posted By curlyjive
Yeah I know others have found the opposite....

Yeah I know others have found the opposite. That's why I bought the Panasonic a second time. I had to be wrong. But I saw the opposite. I didn't use the sharpening tools. It seemedLike for 4k I...
Forum: Digital Hi-End Projectors - $3,000+ USD MSRP   04-19-2017, 05:16 PM
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Posted By curlyjive
I currently have the oppo paired with a JVC...

I currently have the oppo paired with a JVC rs4910 running 4k 4:2:2 12 bit SDR BT2020. I have owned the Panasonic 2 times now and returned it both times. Here is what I have observed.

1) The...
Forum: Blu-ray Players   04-19-2017, 11:10 AM
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Posted By curlyjive
If you're using HDR ON you won't see these...

If you're using HDR ON you won't see these problems. If you switch to HDR off or Strip Metadata then you would.

Personally I feel pretty vindicated. The shot he showed of Pan with the banding and...
Forum: Blu-ray Players   04-19-2017, 09:57 AM
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Posted By curlyjive
As Far as I am concerned, HDTV Test nailed...

As Far as I am concerned, HDTV Test nailed everything going on between these two player, including showing the crush and banding on the oppo. This was a purely factual review and he threw oppo as...
Forum: Blu-ray Players   04-17-2017, 05:34 PM
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Posted By curlyjive
They never use the word "experimental" when. I...

They never use the word "experimental" when. I ask but are completely noncomittal on the time line. Nor do they really acknowledge the clipping. I'd like to call bs on the experimental part because...
Forum: Blu-ray Players   04-17-2017, 12:22 PM
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Posted By curlyjive
And Oppo is going tot get this working right...

And Oppo is going tot get this working right when?:mad:
Forum: Blu-ray Players   04-12-2017, 05:16 AM
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Posted By curlyjive
I've heard the opposite from "inside sources"...

I've heard the opposite from "inside sources" that neither of us can name and from my emails from support. Not doubting you, but I have heard contradicting information from oppo about this.
Forum: Blu-ray Players   04-11-2017, 01:14 PM
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Posted By curlyjive
And it would look even better without the 203...

And it would look even better without the 203 clipping black;)
Forum: Blu-ray Players   04-11-2017, 12:58 PM
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Posted By curlyjive
For not being into video, you could have spent a...

For not being into video, you could have spent a lot less on a projector;) I'd be will to trade my 4910 for yours:D
Forum: Blu-ray Players   04-11-2017, 10:18 AM
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Posted By curlyjive
I get it. But please don't discount the fact that...

I get it. But please don't discount the fact that it is a real repeatable measurable issue. If it was pointed out to you, you'd be unable to unsee it. Ignorance is bliss I suppose. But I really...
Forum: Blu-ray Players   04-11-2017, 10:12 AM
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Posted By curlyjive
It's not needed in either scenario, but you can....

It's not needed in either scenario, but you can. It won't change the clipping of black but setting to far will crush white.
Forum: Blu-ray Players   04-11-2017, 10:10 AM
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Posted By curlyjive
I guess you're not. You don't need a test disc....

I guess you're not. You don't need a test disc. The issue is that obvious. I'm happy it doesn't bother you, but that's a poor defense for not calling out an easily verifiable issue.
Forum: Blu-ray Players   04-11-2017, 09:58 AM
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Posted By curlyjive
The impression I get from Oppo support is that...

The impression I get from Oppo support is that they think the Strip Metadata feature is pretty much done. If they are satisfied with the result, they're off their rocker. The clipping is obvious,...
Forum: Blu-ray Players   04-10-2017, 01:03 PM
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Posted By curlyjive
#8...

#8 (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=8) is still not right. Blacks are badly clipped and Oppo seems to think the feature is working as it should as far as they...
Forum: Blu-ray Players   03-25-2017, 09:04 PM
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Posted By curlyjive
Still no clipping fix for sdr.

Still no clipping fix for sdr.
Forum: Blu-ray Players   03-08-2017, 12:47 PM
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Posted By curlyjive
I've had the Panasonic twice now and WANTED to...

I've had the Panasonic twice now and WANTED to like it better than the oppo, but in my setup the oppo is sharper and more detailed everytime. Also, in SDR BT2020 mode colors are better saturated. Of...
Forum: Blu-ray Players   03-08-2017, 11:56 AM
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Posted By curlyjive
You are correct, both are secret sauces with only...

You are correct, both are secret sauces with only SDR709 being mandatory.

Quick Rundown

Oppo Strip MetaData (SDR BT2020) clipping of whites and blacks, some banding. Overall colors look more...
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