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Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 02:46 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Onkyo just say to put them on the 'third lines'...

Onkyo just say to put them on the 'third lines' of the room. Denon are giving us a more precise take on it. Dolby confirmed to me that the Denon way is good an in line with their spec. (They didn't...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 02:44 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
That's what I am doing and for that reason....

That's what I am doing and for that reason. There's no need to have my surrounds 'up there' any more. Roger, I think, believes that the angles are more important than the distances (correct me if I...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 02:41 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Maybe a better way to say it is that they can be...

Maybe a better way to say it is that they can be lower now, rather than should be lower? As Sanjay explained a few posts back, when we only had 7.1, people raised their surrounds somewhat to create...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 02:36 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Not all that different to my own distances here....

Not all that different to my own distances here. I wouldn't worry about it, which is another way of saying "I'm not worrying about it". We are near field listeners that’s all ;)
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 01:56 PM
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Posted By kbarnes701
DSX also lowers the mains by 3dB too. Have you...

DSX also lowers the mains by 3dB too. Have you tried PLIIz (if you are only interested in Heights) or Neo:X (for Heights and Wides). IMO both do a far superior job to DSX.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 01:52 PM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Yes, agreed, My thoughts too - way too high. I’d...

Yes, agreed, My thoughts too - way too high. I’d drop the surrounds and the rear surrounds, and with rear surrounds in place I'd move the side surrounds forward too.



Also agreed, but you are...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 12:49 PM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Fair enough. Selden's answer makes total sense to...

Fair enough. Selden's answer makes total sense to me anyway, rendering the question moot. If it is that easy to do the cal for each speaker, then presumably it isn't too hard to provide the required...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 12:46 PM
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Posted By kbarnes701
That also makes sense, Selden. If the unit can...

That also makes sense, Selden. If the unit can easily EQ as many speakers as the system has, and can then play back any set of 11 EQd speakers, then we have nirvana.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 11:29 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
d)3. Where should I position the mic for best...

d)3. Where should I position the mic for best results? (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=21782993.html?highlight=#d3)
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 11:28 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
I certainly agree with batpig's hypothesis. The...

I certainly agree with batpig's hypothesis. The only question I have is how we know that current units have enough grunt to EQ 13 speakers. Somewhere there will be a limit, and I am hoping that limit...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 11:25 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Sure. How do we know that current units have...

Sure. How do we know that current units have enough horsepower to EQ 13 speakers?



Yep - which is why I asked the question (twice to different people) but never got an answer. Someone,...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 11:19 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
What distance are your ears from the nearest...

What distance are your ears from the nearest speaker?
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 10:05 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Thanks Roger. All good stuff, as ever. Yes, I am...

Thanks Roger. All good stuff, as ever. Yes, I am lowering my surrounds - not to ear level - as it is easy for me to do so and, as you say, they were on the high side before anyway.

It's also a...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 09:50 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Oh yes, as an (ex) advertising man, I'd really...

Oh yes, as an (ex) advertising man, I'd really want those graphs!
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 09:48 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
That is a very good point. So what you are saying...

That is a very good point. So what you are saying is that during the cal, Audyssey will check for whatever speakers are there and then send tones to, and calibrate for, all of them, even though not...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 09:45 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
I hope you are right and I am wrong. I am only...

I hope you are right and I am wrong. I am only speculating anyway, based on current Audyssey systems.

EDIT: Batpig has convinced me that I am wrong, with his latest post. Panic over :)
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 09:43 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Phew :) Yes, I was surprised by the...

Phew :)



Yes, I was surprised by the reply. I personally would imagine that when a range of, say, 30-55° is given, there will be a 'sweet spot' somewhere in that range that we could opt for, if...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 09:32 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Blimey. That's even more useless than the useless...

Blimey. That's even more useless than the useless I originally envisaged :)
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 09:20 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
You are quite right. I think I have inhaled...

You are quite right. I think I have inhaled something ;)
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 09:17 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
D'oh! Of course! WTF am I on? Yes, wides are...

D'oh! Of course! WTF am I on? Yes, wides are supported by Atmos and not supported by DS. :) Thanks to you and the others for pointing this out!

HST, Audyssey has never calibrated more than 11...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 09:11 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Hi Gooddoc - long time no type. Thanks for the...

Hi Gooddoc - long time no type. Thanks for the above... we are in agreement. :)
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 08:40 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Only for Dolby Surround. Atmos doesn't support...

Only for Dolby Surround. Atmos doesn't support wides. When you decode an Atmos soundtrack in that config, the wides will be silent.

^^^^ Other way around, d'oh!


And, of course, the...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 08:37 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Hi Al - how are you doing! No, not yet....

Hi Al - how are you doing!

No, not yet. Expected before CEDIA, so sometime in the next ~3 weeks.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 08:25 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
FR, FL, C, RS, LS, RRS, RLS, RH, LH, FWR, FWL. ...

FR, FL, C, RS, LS, RRS, RLS, RH, LH, FWR, FWL. That is what Audyssey can do currently - as you see, it totals 11. Up till now, this was the max capability Audyssey needed.

The most that the...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-26-2014, 08:16 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Yes indeed. When I become a Denon owner, real...

Yes indeed. When I become a Denon owner, real soon, I will learn what those graphs mean, and will amend the FAQ accordingly. Right now, they seem to be fairly crude versions of the 'after' graphs...
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