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Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 01:39 PM
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Posted By kbarnes701
I defer to your greater personal experience of...

I defer to your greater personal experience of simple mindedness and bow out of this discussion. These days I am more fussy about how I waste my time.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 01:29 PM
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I think you gave very good examples of speakers...

I think you gave very good examples of speakers specifically designed to take interaction with the room into account. There are many other examples you could also have used. It is fairly obvious to...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 01:20 PM
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Way cheaper than the $18 I had to pay on Monday....

Way cheaper than the $18 I had to pay on Monday. Oddly, even though the 11am Monday showing is almost always played to about half a dozen people (which is why it is my favorite time to go), they...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 01:18 PM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Andrew Jones addressed this specifically in one...

Andrew Jones addressed this specifically in one of the HTG podcasts IIRC. He said that it wouldn't matter all that much if the Atmos speakers didn't see a clear 8 feet. So I wouldn’t worry personally...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 12:57 PM
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Are they in the right position for Atmos is the...

Are they in the right position for Atmos is the first question that springs to mind? IOW, do they meet the angle requirements in the oft-posted diagram? If so, then I see no reason why they wouldn't...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 12:40 PM
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Posted By kbarnes701
They're all 2x6 in the UK, for modern(ish) houses...

They're all 2x6 in the UK, for modern(ish) houses AFAIK. But our spans are generally shorter than for US homes, as the rooms are smaller. It can restrict the choice of in-ceiling designs quite a lot,...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 12:35 PM
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Posted By kbarnes701
LOL. Wonderful! An optimist says his glass...

LOL. Wonderful!

An optimist says his glass is half full. A pessimist says his glass is half empty. An engineer says you have the wrong size glass. :)
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 12:32 PM
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Yep. It all seems pretty clear to me. A benefit...

Yep. It all seems pretty clear to me. A benefit is only a benefit if you can realise it. I can't physically accommodate any in-ceiling speaker I’d want to use; Sanjay wants to toe-in the ceiling...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 11:26 AM
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Markus seems to miss the point that while...

Markus seems to miss the point that while in-ceiling speakers may offer some potential superiority in one area, that they may also offer other parameters which are decidedly not superior in other...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 10:52 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Couldn’t agree more. I spent some time figuring...

Couldn’t agree more. I spent some time figuring this out and came to the conclusion that there was just NFW I was going to use in-ceiling designs. Others may have YMMV of course, which is fine. But...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 10:44 AM
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I agree with what you say. My objective in...

I agree with what you say. My objective in choosing speakers is to opt for the most neutral and transparent designs I can. I tend to believe, and this is controversial so others may (and will)...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 10:20 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
In my evaluation process for the top speakers...

In my evaluation process for the top speakers here, I did look at in-ceiling designs just to be thorough, and other than the huge cost for reasonably specced units, I don't think I could accommodate...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 10:16 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Most of the demo in the HT room was with Atmos...

Most of the demo in the HT room was with Atmos speakers but they did also demo on-ceiling speakers (top front/top rear) as well.

They wouldn't comment on the brand of the speakers - they were what...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 10:12 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
That latter was one of my primary reasons for...

That latter was one of my primary reasons for choosing then Tannoys. I was going to go with MK Sound M7s which complement my MK S150s at the front, and which also serve as surrounds now. But they...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 10:08 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Markus never seems to quite grasp that what he...

Markus never seems to quite grasp that what he wants is not what everyone wants. :rolleyes:
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 10:06 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Not to mention the significant extra cost of...

Not to mention the significant extra cost of comparable quality in-ceiling designs (compared to on-ceiling) plus the possible greater difficulty of fitting them.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 09:42 AM
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Glenn, I wondered about all the same things, and...

Glenn, I wondered about all the same things, and the decision to go with the Tannoy Di5 DC (http://www.tannoypro.com/#Page=Product&Id=47.186) speakers seems to address them all (for me). They have a...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 09:37 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
You'd think so, but at the Atmos demo at Dolby in...

You'd think so, but at the Atmos demo at Dolby in London, the on-ceiling speakers in the small HT room were about 4 - 4.5 feet above head height and worked just fine. In my HT, my ears are 3ft from...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 04:59 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
I agree with you about in-ceiling designs. There...

I agree with you about in-ceiling designs. There just seem too many compromises involved to me. But they look better. If the installation was a living room, then I could perhaps live with them. But a...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 04:51 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
When you put a speaker into a room, what you hear...

When you put a speaker into a room, what you hear is the combined sound of the speaker and the room. (With subwoofers it is almost all the room).

When you put a speaker into an untreated or poorly...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 04:33 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Nor did I say it was. I said Atmos has been...

Nor did I say it was. I said Atmos has been designed for movies.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 04:29 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
I wasn't so much commenting on your quoting a...

I wasn't so much commenting on your quoting a very long post, as such, as the adding of just 5 words to it, none of which contributed anything, other than to say you agreed with the post. This is of...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 04:26 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
I haven’t read anywhere that Atmos is biased more...

I haven’t read anywhere that Atmos is biased more towards in-ceiling than on-ceiling speakers. I haven’t even considered in-ceiling designs - they are very expensive if they are to be any good, it...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 04:00 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Not at all. With the Atmos content the sound was...

Not at all. With the Atmos content the sound was incredibly immersive but also rendered with pinpoint precision when required. That precision was to place a sound where it should be (based on the...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-29-2014, 03:57 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
What’s the difference between the Atmos surround...

What’s the difference between the Atmos surround speakers in a commercial theater and the Wides in a HT? First, the Atmos speakers aren’t 'Wides' in any sense of the word used in a domestic context*...
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