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Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 11:55 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Except, IME, it doesn't. By lowering the...

Except, IME, it doesn't. By lowering the surrounds so much, and at the same time producing almost a copy of the FR and FL speaker signal in the FRH and FHL speakers, it results in a giant 'wall of...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 11:51 AM
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Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to...

Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to try this. Now I don't have rear surrounds, so my experience may well be different simply because of that. But I find that DSX kills the surround...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 11:09 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Al - Dolby are releasing information aimed at...

Al - Dolby are releasing information aimed at custom installers "before CEDIA" so all that sort of info should be included.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 11:07 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
I was just making the point that, AFAIK, all...

I was just making the point that, AFAIK, all indications so far have been that monopoles are the Dolby spec for ceiling speakers. I wasn’t commenting on the type of surround speakers and I am sure...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 10:25 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
The new Atmos screen in our local multiplex has a...

The new Atmos screen in our local multiplex has a thing they call XPlus which is a bigger screen (similar to a Liemax) with better quality projection, nicer seats, reserved seating and so on, as well...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 10:22 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
'Like' doesn't do that great post justice IMO,...

'Like' doesn't do that great post justice IMO, baptpig, so I am giving it a +1 from me instead! Great post!
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 10:18 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Yes - but those three discs were 'optimized' for...

Yes - but those three discs were 'optimized' for Neo:X. AFAIK it was never revealed what that meant. They do sound impressive when played back via Neo:X though.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 10:16 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
You've been given some great replies by the looks...

You've been given some great replies by the looks of it (not read them in detail yet). You are conflating two different things. TrueHD is a lossless compression codec. Audibly and functionally it is...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 07:21 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
I listen at about -5dB so DEQ isn't doing too...

I listen at about -5dB so DEQ isn't doing too much here (for a long time I ran a RLO of 5, effectively nullifying DEQ for my regular listening) so the surround overboost doesn't bother me. What did...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 06:32 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
You mean you'd go to the trouble and expense of...

You mean you'd go to the trouble and expense of installing rear surrounds and then not use them? I have to admit, that concept had not occurred to me.



Do you have some objection to upmixing...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 06:30 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Yes, I am sure there are opportunities that the...

Yes, I am sure there are opportunities that the OP should look at. WAF might prevent him utilizing them but at least they should be explored. If he posts a couple of pictures of his room, I am sure...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 05:42 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Dolby Atmos upfiring speakers have been designed...

Dolby Atmos upfiring speakers have been designed to work with a flat ceiling. It is unlikely they will work well, or as intended, with sloping ceilings.

However, there are other possibilities for...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 04:16 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Different things. Atmos is a codec, and movies...

Different things. Atmos is a codec, and movies are increasingly being mixed in Atmos. Neo:X is a surround upmixer and no movies are mixed in Neo:X. The proper comparison with Neo:X is Dolby...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 04:07 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Haha - good point! Two wrongs make a right!

Haha - good point! Two wrongs make a right!
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 03:49 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
'Pumping' is normally a term associated with tech...

'Pumping' is normally a term associated with tech like Dynamic Volume which compress dynamic range. I cannot recall anyone else ever having said that DEQ gives rise to a 'pumping' effect. I am happy...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 03:46 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
LOL. Depends what you mean by authentic. It is...

LOL. Depends what you mean by authentic. It is based on real life in an ad agency but it is 'exaggerated'. Working in advertising is certainly the most fun you can have with your clothes on.



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Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 03:42 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
It seems unlikely that DSX would give better...

It seems unlikely that DSX would give better surround envelopment when it is reducing the level of the surrounds by a full 3dB.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 03:41 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Worth a listen. As is PLIIz if you have Heights...

Worth a listen. As is PLIIz if you have Heights only. PLIIz is my preferred upmixer but I only have Heights. I find that DSX is just way, way too front-centric. It gives a huge 'wall of sound' at the...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 03:27 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
In a 7.1 system it is usually preferable to move...

In a 7.1 system it is usually preferable to move the side surrounds forward of the MLP. This gives a more seamless listening experience, front-to-back. This isn’t set in stone though as the two...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 03:16 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Consensus is that direct firing monopole speakers...

Consensus is that direct firing monopole speakers are best for the top speakers in an Atmos system. And possibly dual concentric designs are the best of those too.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 03:12 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
FWIW I agree entirely and your experience...

FWIW I agree entirely and your experience reflects my own. Any half decent speaker makes a good surround speaker. I have done it both ways and there is no way I would ever go back to using expensive...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 03:00 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
I would use the guide in the oft-posted Denon...

I would use the guide in the oft-posted Denon diagram if it were me.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 02:58 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
And the link to the manual for the X4100W is here...

And the link to the manual for the X4100W is here (http://manuals.denon.com/avrx4100w/na/en/):
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 02:46 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
Onkyo just say to put them on the 'third lines'...

Onkyo just say to put them on the 'third lines' of the room. Denon are giving us a more precise take on it. Dolby confirmed to me that the Denon way is good an in line with their spec. (They didn't...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   08-27-2014, 02:44 AM
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Posted By kbarnes701
That's what I am doing and for that reason....

That's what I am doing and for that reason. There's no need to have my surrounds 'up there' any more. Roger, I think, believes that the angles are more important than the distances (correct me if I...
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