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Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-28-2017, 02:48 PM
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Posted By mogorf
OK. Then why not try a multiple measurement...

OK. Then why not try a multiple measurement scheme by using REW's averaging feature. Actually a one point shot will tell you nothing about room behavior and its not only Audyssey but Yamaha's YPAO or...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-28-2017, 02:19 PM
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Posted By mogorf
Hi, care to give us a journal on how you did the...

Hi, care to give us a journal on how you did the measurements? Was it a one point capture (probably with mic at MLP) or you did a multiple mic placement measurement (a la Audyssey style) and then...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-25-2017, 01:05 PM
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Posted By mogorf
I fully understand and appreciate you position as...

I fully understand and appreciate you position as always Mike. All I wanted to emphasize was that DEQ (or any other loudness control system) does not address room issues. Hope we are back on the same...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-25-2017, 12:26 PM
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Posted By mogorf
Well Mike, actually acoustic equilibrium with...

Well Mike, actually acoustic equilibrium with varying volume level is a peculiar phenomenon that I think only and exclusively depends on how our human ears work. There are no other factors that have...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-25-2017, 11:11 AM
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Posted By mogorf
This "dynamic" element has already been explained...

This "dynamic" element has already been explained in details by Chris K. several times. AVR makers are still paying their licensing fees to Audyssey Labs. Not liking it or not recognizing as being...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-25-2017, 06:01 AM
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Posted By mogorf
In real life of course there is no one who turns...

In real life of course there is no one who turns bass and treble up and down. This is the exact case with the AVR when we have MV set to 0 dB.

What I'm trying to convey is there are occasions...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-24-2017, 03:25 PM
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Posted By mogorf
+1. Fully and duly agree! :)

+1. Fully and duly agree! :)
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-24-2017, 02:23 PM
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Posted By mogorf
Hi gurkey, me wondering, too. :) A very...

Hi gurkey, me wondering, too. :)

A very complex question, indeed! So here's my take on the issue. Firstly we surely already know that DEQ is not a "stand alone" tool, but it must work in very...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-24-2017, 05:25 AM
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Posted By mogorf
Actually it varies with frequency and playback...

Actually it varies with frequency and playback level, so your question can not be answered with 1 figure only.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-23-2017, 04:15 PM
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Posted By mogorf
Member "urwi" was using REW (Room EQ Wizard) to...

Member "urwi" was using REW (Room EQ Wizard) to measure his AVR. REW is available from Hometheatershack.com. Free to download. REW has its own frequency sweeps available on-board for testing purposes.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-23-2017, 03:39 PM
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Posted By mogorf
And I always love to see silent readers posting....

And I always love to see silent readers posting. Take care! :)
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-23-2017, 02:06 PM
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Posted By mogorf
Mike, I think this is one of the best and coolest...

Mike, I think this is one of the best and coolest post I've ever read on this forum. All my appreciations and credits to out to you. It is confidence building for the individuals and team spirit...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-22-2017, 04:19 PM
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Posted By mogorf
I'll try my wings again, so please bear with me....

I'll try my wings again, so please bear with me. :)

Any time we turn down MV from 0 dB ref., DEQ will kick-in with a fixed compensation curve, e.g. at -30 dB MV there will be a curve that...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-21-2017, 01:47 PM
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Posted By mogorf
I'm with you Mike while I'm sure in order for...

I'm with you Mike while I'm sure in order for every user to make their own subjective decisions it is very important to be familiar with the pure technical workflow of DEQ.

Lookin' forward to...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-20-2017, 05:08 PM
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Posted By mogorf
Just called in on Chris at FB with the following...

Just called in on Chris at FB with the following quick Q&A and got an interesting reasoning on DEQ as follows:

Me: Hi Chris, please allow me to come back to "good old" DEQ for a moment. In order...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-20-2017, 12:17 PM
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Posted By mogorf
Hi David, I think we all have a good...

Hi David,

I think we all have a good understanding on how our ears work with regards to different frequencies at different sound pressure levels. That's all fine in a concert hall, everything...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-20-2017, 02:18 AM
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Posted By mogorf
Guys, I'm really glad this issue has come up, so...

Guys, I'm really glad this issue has come up, so in order to clarify how DEQ works, here's a quote directly from Chris K. (from Audyssey thread part I):

Chris K.: "The reason we called it...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-18-2017, 02:32 PM
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Posted By mogorf
Very interesting read David. Seems you are taking...

Very interesting read David. Seems you are taking every bit out of tinkering your system and boy, that's the way to go, right? :)

One thing I'd really be interested in to know is what MV...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-16-2017, 01:27 PM
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Posted By mogorf
Coming back to Audyssey's DEQ I think many of us...

Coming back to Audyssey's DEQ I think many of us here already know that this feature has a two tier operation scheme as follows:

1. DEQ first looks at the MV (Master Volume) setting and does a...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-16-2017, 12:46 PM
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Posted By mogorf
Oh Mike, that picture was taken when I was much...

Oh Mike, that picture was taken when I was much older than I am today! ;) Grey beard still counts! :)
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-16-2017, 07:47 AM
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Posted By mogorf
Fully agree with you Mike! :)

Fully agree with you Mike! :)
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-16-2017, 07:15 AM
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Posted By mogorf
Thank you very much for your compliments Adamg....

Thank you very much for your compliments Adamg. One thing is sure: we were all beginners when we started this hobby, right? :) The only thing I couldn't figure out is how did you know I have a grey...
Forum: Speakers   03-14-2017, 06:36 PM
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Posted By mogorf
Actually DEQ by virtue of it's purpose does not...

Actually DEQ by virtue of it's purpose does not boost bass and highs but compensates for them. IMHO, this is very important to understand. Yes, compensates because it has been found/discovered by...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-14-2017, 05:15 PM
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Posted By mogorf
Actually DEQ by virtue of it's purpose does not...

Actually DEQ by virtue of it's purpose does not boost bass and highs but compensates for them. IMHO, this is very important to understand. Yes, compensates because it has been found/discovered by...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   03-12-2017, 10:37 AM
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Posted By mogorf
Not toeing in will mean Audyssey will compensate...

Not toeing in will mean Audyssey will compensate for the proportional loss of high frequencies, but IMHO should not cause bright/ harsh sound. That should be caused by something else worth to...
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