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Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-26-2017, 02:15 PM
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Posted By batpig
Sanjay - remember this behavior was inconsistent...

Sanjay - remember this behavior was inconsistent back when the tones were released on the demo disc. IIRC with the 9.1.6 tones the Front Height tones would phantom image rearward, but the Rear...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-26-2017, 09:22 AM
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Posted By batpig
Or leave DEQ on and try switching Audyssey EQ to...

Or leave DEQ on and try switching Audyssey EQ to FLAT



Not placebo, DEQ is boosting the low end more than anything so turning it off will make the highs sound more pronounced relatively.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-21-2017, 03:53 PM
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Posted By batpig
It will work just fine and not screw anything up....

It will work just fine and not screw anything up. And considering your seating position it may even improve things as you'll get more separation from rear vs. side effects, and also close the gap...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-21-2017, 03:18 PM
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Posted By batpig
It would be OK but a LOT less impactful than if...

It would be OK but a LOT less impactful than if you can get them above / in front of you.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-21-2017, 02:45 PM
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Posted By batpig
First thing to note is that San Andreas is...

First thing to note is that San Andreas is notorious as one of the early Atmos releases with basically zero overhead info. So don't read anything into that movie.

Next I would ask how far you are...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-21-2017, 01:07 PM
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Posted By batpig
I think the counterpoint is that, as others have...

I think the counterpoint is that, as others have asserted, it (the "route" of the object) may actually be more "stable" for off axis listeners, even if less "precise", with less hot spotting...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-21-2017, 11:58 AM
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Posted By batpig
I would ask how could it NOT smear the object...

I would ask how could it NOT smear the object unless the speakers are perfectly positioned exactly as the renderer is assuming? If the phantom image isn't in precisely the same place in both cases,...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-21-2017, 10:31 AM
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Posted By batpig
I wasn't talking about bed channels, I was...

I wasn't talking about bed channels, I was talking about objects panning along the side wall.

Again, you have two separate processors, unaware of each other, running "interlocking" speakers along...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-20-2017, 03:20 PM
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Posted By batpig
Jeez, all this love for Keith, all I could think...

Jeez, all this love for Keith, all I could think of was this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu1JMbSLPvc


:D :D :D
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-20-2017, 01:35 PM
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Posted By batpig
Keep in mind though that Nalleh fully documented...

Keep in mind though that Nalleh fully documented his setups and testing along the way. If things were noticeably worse I'm sure he would have gone another route.[/QUOTE]

True, I'm probably...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-20-2017, 01:32 PM
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Posted By batpig
Don't know what to tell you besides what I wrote...

Don't know what to tell you besides what I wrote in my original post. Maybe re-read it again because I described a specific scenario where it would happen.

I'm on mobile now but if it still...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-20-2017, 01:16 PM
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Posted By batpig
Actually in some cases there may even be four...

Actually in some cases there may even be four speakers trying to reproduce the same sound (competing phantom images) in the scenario I'm discussing.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-20-2017, 01:06 PM
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Posted By batpig
But we are talking about the same sound being...

But we are talking about the same sound being produced by three speakers not two.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-20-2017, 12:26 PM
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Posted By batpig
I dunno, seems more analogous to Center Spread on...

I dunno, seems more analogous to Center Spread on vs. off when adding a center channel in between L/R stereo speakers.

With center spread off, center channel sounds extract to the center speaker...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-20-2017, 12:06 PM
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Posted By batpig
Yeah, I could see the benefit of going from 9 to...

Yeah, I could see the benefit of going from 9 to 11 in a two row environment using this method, vs. simply arraying the single surround (split signal), since you can then set individual delays,...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-20-2017, 11:43 AM
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Posted By batpig
I'm still not clear on how that move from 9.x.x...

I'm still not clear on how that move from 9.x.x to 11 or 13 base channels is not going to smear / mush up the imaging at the ear level.

There are two separate things here -- (1) arrayed/duplicated...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-20-2017, 09:44 AM
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Posted By batpig
It's pretty simple -- if you're connecting with...

It's pretty simple -- if you're connecting with HDMI, there is no advantage to the x05 Oppo vs. the x03 Oppo.
Forum: Speakers   04-19-2017, 12:47 PM
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Posted By batpig
Dawn - maybe I'm not following but I'm not clear...

Dawn - maybe I'm not following but I'm not clear how that solves the OP's problem. He doesn't want the second RackAmp for more output, he wants it to have independent control of delay/phase because...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-18-2017, 04:32 PM
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Posted By batpig
The player is simply bitstreaming an encoded...

The player is simply bitstreaming an encoded audio stream. It has no idea what's in the stream -- all it knows is that it's sending a Dolby TrueHD bitstream downstream to the processor.

All the...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-17-2017, 02:31 PM
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Posted By batpig
wow great job! Since it's literally always...

wow great job! Since it's literally always worked this way, I assumed you'd get the brush off "working as designed".

What did they say is the expected function?
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-14-2017, 12:23 PM
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Posted By batpig
AFAIK, yes, since I don't think AVRs can be...

AFAIK, yes, since I don't think AVRs can be configured with only 2 fronts and 2 wides (maybe someone can try it).[/QUOTE]

I've never seen an implementation where wides could be added without...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   04-14-2017, 07:19 AM
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Posted By batpig
You need to think of it from the perspective of...

You need to think of it from the perspective of "what is the minimum config which will cause the decoder to read the Atmos metadata?". That's a different question from "what is the minimum speaker...
Forum: Speakers   04-12-2017, 11:36 AM
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Posted By batpig
awesome, great stuff Nathan what software is...

awesome, great stuff Nathan

what software is the 3D modeling? sketchup or sweet home 3D?

out of curiosity what drove the decision to have one back corner be absorption and the other one to be...
Forum: Speakers   04-12-2017, 09:58 AM
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Posted By batpig
Interesting. Have you sat on the side seats? ...

Interesting. Have you sat on the side seats? How does it sound, are there hot-spotting issues which impact the cohesion of the surround field?

My room is 15.5' wide so plenty of room at the...
Forum: Speakers   04-11-2017, 02:04 PM
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Posted By batpig
For what it's worth, Triad still recommends...

For what it's worth, Triad still recommends bipole (not dipole) surrounds for Atmos if you're <6ft from the surround speakers (i.e. a really small room). I imagine when you're squeezing in close to...
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