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Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 05:39 PM
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Posted By batpig
From my reading you have it exactly right.

From my reading you have it exactly right.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 05:00 PM
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Posted By batpig
No, you are not good. That means the receiver...

No, you are not good. That means the receiver "ran out of room" attempting to negatively trim your subs. You need to lower the gain (try 1/4 to 1/3 gain) and then re-run Audyssey. You want it NOT...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 04:53 PM
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Posted By batpig
What remains to be seen is how (if?) the...

What remains to be seen is how (if?) the rendering will change based on the layout designated.

For example, the Front Height range is 30-45 degrees elevation, whereas Top Front is 30-55 degrees. ...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 03:49 PM
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Posted By batpig
Yes, according to pp 208-209 of the X5200 manual...

Yes, according to pp 208-209 of the X5200 manual (screen caps attached) that is correct.

If you are in 11ch mode and set "Height Speakers" to 4, then you can choose between:

Front Height + Top...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 03:07 PM
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Posted By batpig
The 200W/205W figures you noted are for 1CH...

The 200W/205W figures you noted are for 1CH driven at 1kHz into a 6ohm load. The 125W/140W figures are the more traiditonal 8ohm, 2ch driven, 20Hz-20kHz stats.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 03:06 PM
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Posted By batpig
Actually, AFAIK it's not confirmed. I must have...

Actually, AFAIK it's not confirmed. I must have pulled that out of my ass somewhere based on something I read or heard at some point. Not saying it's not true -- I think it is -- but it's not set...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 03:03 PM
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Posted By batpig
Can you please provide a page reference for what...

Can you please provide a page reference for what you think you are looking at? Because I am referring to the page I clipped, which is pg 43 of the manual, showing an 11.1 ch playback setup with 13...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 03:02 PM
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Posted By batpig
Yeah, that's how I'm reading it. Set Amp Assign...

Yeah, that's how I'm reading it. Set Amp Assign to 11ch mode and designate the first (HEIGHT1) output as Front Height and the second (HEIGHT2/Wide) output as Front Wide. Then you can still use DSX...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 02:39 PM
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Posted By batpig
No. The page I referenced in the manual has...

No. The page I referenced in the manual has nothing to do with other zones. Did you look at the image? It clearly shows 13 speakers hooked up in the MAIN ZONE -- standard 7ch + front wides + 4...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 02:07 PM
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Posted By batpig
I would tend to agree with your conclusion. IF...

I would tend to agree with your conclusion. IF you have FOUR elevated speakers, they will be the ones that will make noise when you play Atmos content. With four elevated speakers indicated in the...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 01:45 PM
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Posted By batpig
If you check out the UK product page for the...

If you check out the UK product page for the X5200 here: http://www.denon.co.uk/uk/product/pages/product-detail.aspx?catid=hometheatre&subid=avreceivers&productid=avrx5200w

You can see that the...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 01:42 PM
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Posted By batpig
Note that they often quote power specs as the...

Note that they often quote power specs as the 6ohm rating (or perhaps a peak "dynamic" rating) in order to sound better for marketing copy. The actual specs (apples to apples with how it's...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 01:28 PM
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Posted By batpig
You must be confused about something. Regardless...

You must be confused about something. Regardless of what settings you have, there is only ONE signal sent out to the two subwoofer outputs.

With XT32+SubEQ HT, the two subs are separately...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 01:19 PM
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Posted By batpig
The "Official" 2014 Denon Atmos+XT32 Model Thread (X4100/X5200/X7200)

This thread will cover the three 2014 Denon models with Dolby Atmos and Audyssey MultEQ XT32 calibration.

Please refer discussion of the non-Atmos 2014 S/X-Series models (i.e. AVR-X3100 and below)...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 01:09 PM
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Posted By batpig
Yes, it's a huge price gap. And there is no in...

Yes, it's a huge price gap. And there is no in between right now. But, honestly, I do not agree with your impression that most people want more than 11 channels. Perhaps in the uber-enthusiast,...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 01:04 PM
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Posted By batpig
Young Padawan, you have come far since the days...

Young Padawan, you have come far since the days of sitting your back surrounds on the washing machine :D

I'm not 100% clear yet either. Still trying to slice through the pages you noted (see my...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 11:55 AM
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Posted By batpig
Yeah, good catch :)

Yeah, good catch :)
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 11:48 AM
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Posted By batpig
That's exactly what I mean by added complexity. ...

That's exactly what I mean by added complexity. Most (all?) of the current HDMI receivers can't support more than 7.1 (8 channels) of uncompressed PCM input. So any extra speakers (Atmos tops)...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 11:44 AM
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Posted By batpig
I think like anything this is going to depend on...

I think like anything this is going to depend on the specifics of your room and budget. "Reasonable" means a lot of things to a lot of people. If you have a fairly basic, medium sized living room...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 11:42 AM
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Posted By batpig
That is always one of the meatiest charts in any...

That is always one of the meatiest charts in any Denon manual -- the relationship between surround mode and what speakers make noise.

That chart to me supports my assertion above that the layouts...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 11:37 AM
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Posted By batpig
1) If you only have two surrounds, they are...

1) If you only have two surrounds, they are surrounds. Period. It doesn't matter if you have them placed poorly behind you, as far as the processing is concerned you need to have the first two...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 11:26 AM
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Posted By batpig
Not so fast. I am running the manual through my...

Not so fast. I am running the manual through my Denon-to-English translator and I'm not convinced it won't support 11ch Atmos layouts that aren't the traditional 7.1.4.

From what I can tell,...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 11:19 AM
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Posted By batpig
I'll be honest -- I don't really know. I've seen...

I'll be honest -- I don't really know. I've seen the Japan models (4311, 4520 etc) and they certainly FEEL more substantial. They are heavier, the quality of the front panel and knobs and stuff...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 11:09 AM
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Posted By batpig
One thing I just noticed that appears to be new...

One thing I just noticed that appears to be new this year -- in the description of surround modes there is a new "AUTO" surround mode setting, accessed by pressing the "PURE" button (it toggles with...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 11:02 AM
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Posted By batpig
We've had it confirmed that the X7200 will also...

We've had it confirmed that the X7200 will also top out at 11ch simultaneous processing. No current model AVR is going to support 13ch simultanous AFAIK.
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