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Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-26-2014, 09:51 AM
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Posted By batpig
No, no benefits from Atmos with a basic 5.1 or...

No, no benefits from Atmos with a basic 5.1 or 7.1 setup. In order for Atmos processing to work you need some sort of "elevated" speakers, either in ceiling, front/rear heights, or upward firing...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-25-2014, 05:06 PM
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Posted By batpig
I wouldn't use a quad-polar surround speaker for...

I wouldn't use a quad-polar surround speaker for Atmos "top" use. Atmos speakers are generally supposed to be monopoles.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-25-2014, 02:25 PM
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Posted By batpig
While the idea is nice, I think your proposed...

While the idea is nice, I think your proposed price point is fantasy. The base Oppo 105 lists for $1,199 msrp! And you think they can do a full 13 ch pre-pro version with Atmos decoding, 13ch...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-25-2014, 01:37 PM
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Posted By batpig
You aren't doing anything wrong. Sounds like a...

You aren't doing anything wrong. Sounds like a defective audyssey mic, possibly a defective mic jack.

Give the receiver a full microprocessor reset and try again. If it still doesn't work try...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-25-2014, 12:30 PM
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Posted By batpig
Well PURE mode also disables other stuff that he...

Well PURE mode also disables other stuff that he might want like bass management and tone controls. It's easier just to turn off Audyssey in the AUDIO menu under AUDYSSEY settings.
obonillaf --...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-25-2014, 11:20 AM
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Posted By batpig
Historically the Marantz models have always had...

Historically the Marantz models have always had separate threads. Although in recent years they have become so similar to the Denon models that it may be time to rethink that...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-25-2014, 11:19 AM
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Posted By batpig
My understanding is that the X4100/X5200 are the...

My understanding is that the X4100/X5200 are the same as the X4000 with respect to zones. Three zones, with the HDMI output tied to Zone 2. Zone 2 can also play digital audio (2.0 PCM signals only)...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-25-2014, 11:05 AM
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Posted By batpig
This link was posted on the main Atmos thread,...

This link was posted on the main Atmos thread, it's an EU marketing sheet detailing these receivers and the various Atmos layouts they support:...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-25-2014, 10:55 AM
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Posted By batpig
And, BTW, just to be clear, I am not trying to...

And, BTW, just to be clear, I am not trying to shove everyone over the cliff of first adoption. I'm certainly not going to (it doesn't really make sense in my room anyway) and if somebody is looking...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-25-2014, 10:54 AM
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Posted By batpig
Here's the thing -- impedance is not a "fixed"...

Here's the thing -- impedance is not a "fixed" number. It's a contineously variable property of electrical resistance that is going to vary by frequency. For example, here is an impedance graph by...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-25-2014, 10:50 AM
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Posted By batpig
The "STANDARD" button used to be, um, standard on...

The "STANDARD" button used to be, um, standard on Denon remotes for surround control. Up until a few years ago when they dropped that on the xx12 models and switched to the newer "quick select"...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-25-2014, 10:42 AM
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Posted By batpig
Fair enough, but this is the FIRST TIME we have...

Fair enough, but this is the FIRST TIME we have had truly discrete VERTICAL sound elements. Every time some new upmix algorithm comes out (whether horizontal matrixing like PLIIx or vertical...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-25-2014, 09:27 AM
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Posted By batpig
There are some pretty key differences/corrections...

There are some pretty key differences/corrections though...

Neo:X is primarily a surround expansion algorithm, it's not a discrete content delivery system. It's not a cinema technology either,...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-25-2014, 07:08 AM
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Posted By batpig
No, unfortunately ARC is not effective as a...

No, unfortunately ARC is not effective as a "passthrough" audio switch as nearly every tv (being a stereo device) will only output a downmixed PCM stereo signal from external sources. Typically the...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 05:39 PM
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Posted By batpig
From my reading you have it exactly right.

From my reading you have it exactly right.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 05:00 PM
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Posted By batpig
No, you are not good. That means the receiver...

No, you are not good. That means the receiver "ran out of room" attempting to negatively trim your subs. You need to lower the gain (try 1/4 to 1/3 gain) and then re-run Audyssey. You want it NOT...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 04:53 PM
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Posted By batpig
What remains to be seen is how (if?) the...

What remains to be seen is how (if?) the rendering will change based on the layout designated.

For example, the Front Height range is 30-45 degrees elevation, whereas Top Front is 30-55 degrees. ...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 03:49 PM
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Posted By batpig
Yes, according to pp 208-209 of the X5200 manual...

Yes, according to pp 208-209 of the X5200 manual (screen caps attached) that is correct.

If you are in 11ch mode and set "Height Speakers" to 4, then you can choose between:

Front Height + Top...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 03:07 PM
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Posted By batpig
The 200W/205W figures you noted are for 1CH...

The 200W/205W figures you noted are for 1CH driven at 1kHz into a 6ohm load. The 125W/140W figures are the more traiditonal 8ohm, 2ch driven, 20Hz-20kHz stats.
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 03:06 PM
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Posted By batpig
Actually, AFAIK it's not confirmed. I must have...

Actually, AFAIK it's not confirmed. I must have pulled that out of my ass somewhere based on something I read or heard at some point. Not saying it's not true -- I think it is -- but it's not set...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 03:03 PM
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Posted By batpig
Can you please provide a page reference for what...

Can you please provide a page reference for what you think you are looking at? Because I am referring to the page I clipped, which is pg 43 of the manual, showing an 11.1 ch playback setup with 13...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 03:02 PM
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Posted By batpig
Yeah, that's how I'm reading it. Set Amp Assign...

Yeah, that's how I'm reading it. Set Amp Assign to 11ch mode and designate the first (HEIGHT1) output as Front Height and the second (HEIGHT2/Wide) output as Front Wide. Then you can still use DSX...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 02:39 PM
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Posted By batpig
No. The page I referenced in the manual has...

No. The page I referenced in the manual has nothing to do with other zones. Did you look at the image? It clearly shows 13 speakers hooked up in the MAIN ZONE -- standard 7ch + front wides + 4...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 02:07 PM
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Posted By batpig
I would tend to agree with your conclusion. IF...

I would tend to agree with your conclusion. IF you have FOUR elevated speakers, they will be the ones that will make noise when you play Atmos content. With four elevated speakers indicated in the...
Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors   07-24-2014, 01:45 PM
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Posted By batpig
If you check out the UK product page for the...

If you check out the UK product page for the X5200 here: http://www.denon.co.uk/uk/product/pages/product-detail.aspx?catid=hometheatre&subid=avreceivers&productid=avrx5200w

You can see that the...
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