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post #781 of 1384
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Originally Posted by Nikonowski View Post

Can someone clarify for me that S550 will indeed both stream and decode internally DTS-HD Master Audio and DolbyTrue HD or did I get this wrong ?

That's what Sony says.

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I am wondering if I gain any new (or better) functionality with the new Sony S550 or will it be the same as my current method.

For audio bitstreaming, either player will be the same.

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Also, if S550 only decodes internally DTS-HD Master Audio and DolbyTrue HD (not via bitstream) would I not loose the logo display on Denon and instead I would only see MPCM ?

Yes, with player decoding the output is PCM. Of course, if you want secondary audio for features like PIP commentary, you have to do the decoding in the player. Bitstreaming leaves the commentary audio behind in the player.
post #782 of 1384
DTS HD Master 5.1 Audio ouput: HDMI vs. Analog outs


Can someone tell me why some people think (or they are actually convinced) that when they play DTS HD Master audio track via analog outs versus via bitstream via HDMI to capable receivers, they are getting "better" quality sound ?

I just would like to find out if indeed playing it via analog outputs does provide better quality. In my opinion these 2 methods should produce exact same quality audio, shouldn't they ? I often hear that the analog out option provides more dynamic and more clear audio experience. Maybe someone could explain to me what are the differences (if there are any) when it comes to processing the DTS HD Master audio stream via those 2 methods.

I currently have Samsung 1400 BD player bit streaming into Denon AVR-988 recieverm so I am getting the fullest DTS HD Master audio , however, my friend has the same setup as far as BD player but he instead sends the DTS HD Master audio to his Yamaha 1700 as a LPCM via analog outs (PCM option on Samsung 1400) And he swears that his analog out generated audio sounds a lot better then the one I send via HDMI. I personally don't hear any difference but would like to know if that is possible and if so why ?

Just in case, you are wondering. Both of us don't apply any post processing in our receivers and our BD players have LARGE speakers setup in the audio setup menu.

Your opinions, experiences and explanations are much appreciated as always

Thanks,
Nikonowski
post #783 of 1384
Analog better than Digital? Why not, it would just mean that his AV receiver is a poor decorder compared to the player. It sounds surprising, but it's technically possible. Or maybe a human mistake, the receiver is not set properly and is not reproducing the audio track the way it should be.

BUt then in most cases, the receiver should be at least the same as the player when decoding those audio codecs. And most people find the HDMI way better because you are avoiding a Digital>Analog conversion in the process. So it would just make sense that the receiver is at least at the same level. But once again, there are other factors.

However, just one question: the 1400 can decode DTS Master Audio and sends it through analog outs?? Im not familiar with this player, but to me it was not possible on most Bluray players until recently, and this table just says the opposite! http://www.blu-ray.com/players/compare.php

So to me, he is sending the core the DTS MA soundtrack! Which is clearly inferior to the HDMI bitstream, as it's NOT lossless. I would put my money on a wrong setting somewhere. DTS MA is clearly superior to the DTS core, you just have to switch between them to hear it.
post #784 of 1384
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Originally Posted by Nikonowski View Post

I currently have Samsung 1400 BD player bit streaming into Denon AVR-988 recieverm so I am getting the fullest DTS HD Master audio , however, my friend has the same setup as far as BD player but he instead sends the DTS HD Master audio to his Yamaha 1700 as a LPCM via analog outs (PCM option on Samsung 1400) And he swears that his analog out generated audio sounds a lot better then the one I send via HDMI.

1. You don't send PCM over analog. PCM is digital. The analog output takes PCM, converts it to analog, and sends that to the AVR for amplification.

2. The 1400 can't decode dts-MA into PCM. So, if your friend isn't bitstreaming to his AVR for decoding, he isn't getting the dts-MA track. He's getting the legacy DTS core, most likely at 1.5 mbps, which is better than DVD, but it's not dts-MA.

The difference in analog output usually has to do with two factors. First, which device has the better DACs? Second, does the player have good speaker setups and bass/time management controls? The audio itself will be the same regardless of where it is decoded.
post #785 of 1384
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Originally Posted by BIslander View Post


Your AVR doesn't have PLIIx, DTS Neo:6, or DD-EX? If not, you'd be limited to 5.1, I guess.

Well, the DG910 does have those cabailities. Earlier in this thread, someone posted

"The 910 can not do any processing on a Multichannel PCM steam so it can not matrix 5.1 to 7.1. It will play native 7.1 PCM."

Is this correct as well even though it can do PLIIX?
post #786 of 1384
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Originally Posted by Nikonowski View Post

Can someone tell me why some people think

I cannot.
post #787 of 1384
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Originally Posted by D_B_0673 View Post

Most have small/large but very few if any have distance

The Panasonic's have distance delays(e.g. BD50)

And the Toshiba HD DVD players like the XE1/XA2 had distance delays as well
post #788 of 1384
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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post

The Toshiba HD DVD players like the XE1/XA2 had distance delays as well

Even the first gen player - HD-A1 had distance delays.
post #789 of 1384
I understand that the S550 will have 7.1 analog outs. How will it handle analog outs if my prepro only has 5.1 inputs?
post #790 of 1384
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Originally Posted by RobertR View Post

I understand that the S550 will have 7.1 analog outs. How will it handle analog outs if my prepro only has 5.1 inputs?

Most likely you will set the "rear surrounds" from large or small, to none! It should then mix in that content with the remaining surrounds.
post #791 of 1384
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Originally Posted by FFF View Post

Analog better than Digital? Why not, it would just mean that his AV receiver is a poor decorder compared to the player. It sounds surprising, but it's technically possible. Or maybe a human mistake, the receiver is not set properly and is not reproducing the audio track the way it should be.

BUt then in most cases, the receiver should be at least the same as the player when decoding those audio codecs. And most people find the HDMI way better because you are avoiding a Digital>Analog conversion in the process. So it would just make sense that the receiver is at least at the same level. But once again, there are other factors.

However, just one question: the 1400 can decode DTS Master Audio and sends it through analog outs?? Im not familiar with this player, but to me it was not possible on most Bluray players until recently, and this table just says the opposite! http://www.blu-ray.com/players/compare.php

So to me, he is sending the core the DTS MA soundtrack! Which is clearly inferior to the HDMI bitstream, as it's NOT lossless. I would put my money on a wrong setting somewhere. DTS MA is clearly superior to the DTS core, you just have to switch between them to hear it.


Thanks!

I was wrong about sending PCM over analog as it was pointed out to me

"I don't send PCM over analog. PCM is digital. The analog output takes PCM, converts it to analog, and sends that to the AVR for amplification"

And you are right about this one " he is sending the core the DTS MA soundtrack! Which is clearly inferior to the HDMI bitstream, as it's NOT lossless."

So what's happening to him is that he sets his BD player output to be PCM and then when he sends PCM signal to his AVR - reciever then converts PCM to analog and sens to speakers! So are you saying that HDMI should still sound better then Analog - well not acording to him
post #792 of 1384
now that the press release has hit the streets, i'm wondering if anybody has seen the 350 at BB yet? they don't appear on the website at all.
post #793 of 1384
CC has them online here.
post #794 of 1384
The S350 is now available at Crutchfield.
http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Produ...BDPS350&tp=171
post #795 of 1384
thanks guys, but i have ~ $250 in BB gift cards that have been allocated for a BD player, so i'm stuck until the 350 shows up there.
post #796 of 1384
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Originally Posted by G-star View Post

thanks guys, but i have ~ $250 in BB gift cards that have been allocated for a BD player, so i'm stuck until the 350 shows up there.

Best Buy are being lame; I have next week's circular and by looking at the SKU and seeing the product description, they are definitely hawking the S300 at $399 through the next week. So the S350 is a minimum of 1-1/2 weeks away at Worst Buy.
post #797 of 1384
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Originally Posted by slimm View Post

CC has them online here.

But not in stores anywhere. Lame.
post #798 of 1384
It wouldn't be a stretch to say that anyone who is a regular here, knows vastly more than any employee at a Best Buy.
post #799 of 1384
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Originally Posted by hpmoon View Post

But not in stores anywhere. Lame.

I agree!
post #800 of 1384
I am glad that I have a Sony Style within driving distance. While I had never been there due to the full retail prices I made the trip and pickup up a 350 last Friday night. As a confessed Sony fanboy I enjoyed the store but the prices are crazy. The 350 though is 399 everywhere for the near future so I figured what the hay I will go get one so that I dont have to wait for Amazon. I also have about $100 at Worst Buy but definatly didnt want to wait weeks for them to get their house in order.
post #801 of 1384
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Originally Posted by hpmoon View Post

But not in stores anywhere. Lame.

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Originally Posted by slimm View Post

I agree!

So then tell us how you would set up a worldwide manufacturing & distribution system that would get your product to everywhere at the same time in numbers high enough to satisfy everyone.
post #802 of 1384
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Originally Posted by TheMoose View Post

So then tell us how you would set up a worldwide manufacturing & distribution system that would get your product to everywhere at the same time in numbers high enough to satisfy everyone.

I can't and don't need to. I already have mine.
post #803 of 1384
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Originally Posted by TheMoose View Post

So then tell us how you would set up a worldwide manufacturing & distribution system that would get your product to everywhere at the same time in numbers high enough to satisfy everyone.

Not to mention why should Sony have the first bite at the apple. I don't have a problem with Sony Style having them first. They should it is their product.
post #804 of 1384
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Originally Posted by hpmoon View Post

But not in stores anywhere. Lame.

That's why I purchased from Amazon today with $3.99 overnight shipping on the Amazon Prime 30 day Trial - its coming tomorrow. I wanted to buy it from BestBuy at a B&M store with a 10% off coupon for easier return - but BB doesn't even seem to know the BDP-S350 exists.
post #805 of 1384
Is samsung /panasonic / pioneer going to offer a blu-ray drive comparable in price/features to the Sony 550?

thanks
post #806 of 1384
I think the closest thing to the S550 is the Panasonic BD-50, but for a higher price.

I had been planning to buy a BD-50, but cancelled my preorder thinking I might prefer an S550.
I'm not happy however with the prospect of waiting unitl October.
I'm still trying to decide between buying a BD-50 or an S350 now vs waiting for the S550.
My current receiver does NOT have HDMI, and I believe I would like to future-proof my purchase somewhat by getting a player with BD Live capability.
Any thoughts/suggestions?
post #807 of 1384
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Originally Posted by slogun View Post

I think the closest thing to the S550 is the Panasonic BD-50, but for a higher price.

I had been planning to buy a BD-50, but cancelled my preorder thinking I might prefer an S550.
I'm not happy however with the prospect of waiting unitl October.
I'm still trying to decide between buying a BD-50 or an S350 now vs waiting for the S550.
My current receiver does NOT have HDMI, and I believe I would like to future-proof my purchase somewhat by getting a player with BD Live capability.
Any thoughts/suggestions?

Far and away your first priority should be to upgrade to an HDMI 1.3 receiver.
post #808 of 1384
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ View Post

Far and away your first priority should be to upgrade to an HDMI 1.3 receiver.


Why?

If he has a top of the line receiver, but doesn't have HDMI, how will it benefit him?

He just needs to buy a blu ray player than has 7 channel analog out.
post #809 of 1384
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ View Post

Far and away your first priority should be to upgrade to an HDMI 1.3 receiver.

You can probably pick up a refurbished 605 receiver directly from Onkyo. This should at least meet all of your decoding needs.
post #810 of 1384
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Originally Posted by Stew4msu View Post

Why?

If he has a top of the line receiver, but doesn't have HDMI, how will it benefit him?

He just needs to buy a blu ray player than has 7 channel analog out.

True, but since he mentioned his concern for future proofing, it's an idea.

On a player like the 550, what are the limitations if any of going over the analogs if one has to do that? The 550 is one of several players coming that "decodes everything" correct?
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