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post #12451 of 12670
12/24/09 at 1:41pm
I was just vaccuuming the vents behind my tv and noticed that there is still a layer of dust inside on the fan blades.

Any inovative ways of cleaning this?
do I have to take it apart?
should I just leave it?
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post #12452 of 12670
12/26/09 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by avamateur View Post

I was just vaccuuming the vents behind my tv and noticed that there is still a layer of dust inside on the fan blades.

Any inovative ways of cleaning this?
do I have to take it apart?
should I just leave it?

Just leave it. If you open it and something goes wrong, you'll have bigger problems to deal with. Not really worth it for dust.
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post #12453 of 12670
12/28/09 at 2:06am
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Originally Posted by pooter03 View Post

Just to compare, what's your video card, are you using HDMI, and are you plugging into a receiver or directly into the TV?

I have a HTPC (not a notebook) with an ATI 4850 card with it's special DVI out for which they provide a special DVI-HDMI adaptor that carries audio signal out the adaptor's HDMI.

I have it routed through a Denon 3808 CI on port 4 I think (I believe I have it connected to the specific HDMI port on the Denon box that is optimized for PC connectivity)

it is only occasionally where I will notice very minor variation in brightness, but I've done all I can to confirm that it's not just my eyes playing tricks, but actual screen brightness fluctuation.
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post #12454 of 12670
12/28/09 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by lorax1284 View Post

I have a HTPC (not a notebook) with an ATI 4850 card with it's special DVI out for which they provide a special DVI-HDMI adaptor that carries audio signal out the adaptor's HDMI.

I have it routed through a Denon 3808 CI on port 4 I think (I believe I have it connected to the specific HDMI port on the Denon box that is optimized for PC connectivity)

it is only occasionally where I will notice very minor variation in brightness, but I've done all I can to confirm that it's not just my eyes playing tricks, but actual screen brightness fluctuation.


My laptop has an ATI 4670 with HDMI out. I plug into an Onkyo Ht-S6200 receiver, which then goes HDMI to my TV. I upgraded to the latest ATI drivers and that seemed to help some. However, it still seems somewhat flickery and I can't get the image to fill the whole screen. I tried the overscan settings but it only helps so much. I think I have to talk to ATI support to find out if there's anything I can tweak.
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post #12455 of 12670
12/28/09 at 10:10pm
Hi guys, I haven't been on the forums for quite a long time but I have some questions. I have a 42" PZ85U 1080p Plasma and I'm having issues with selecting the proper display when watching Blu-Rays. Cinema Mode looks way too dark even if I max the Picture to 100, and I set the color back to Normal instead of Warm as it seemed to add too much yellow in some respects. The picture is brighter if I select Standard Mode, and I have color set to Warm on Standard. Why is Cinema Mode so damn dark? Maybe it's just Batman: The Dark Knight having overly dark film quality or something? I thought Cinema Mode would be the best way to view movies.

I haven't tried watching any other Blu-Rays yet, and I'm using my PlayStation 3 to view them. Also, does my model tv support the Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI) function? I have it turned off. Maybe I need to have that on? I hope you know what I mean if any of you are PS3 owners.

I have the BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) set to Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr instead of Automatic or RGB. Do I have that right?
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post #12456 of 12670
12/29/09 at 6:16am
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Originally Posted by Silver Phoenix View Post


I have the BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) set to Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr instead of Automatic or RGB. Do I have that right?

Make sure you enable it on the TV as well. It's under the advanced picture settings.
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post #12457 of 12670
12/29/09 at 9:29pm
I checked under Advanced Picture Settings and there is no option for Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr. I'm just curious why this would have to be set for that, and under what Picture Mode (Standard, Cinema, Game, etc).
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post #12458 of 12670
12/30/09 at 8:41am
I have the same TV as you and I can tell you the best possible solution is ISF calibration, it does wonders on Panasonic plasmas. I'm a bit biased since I'm an ISF certified installer but I'd never own a Panasonic plasma without a calibration on it.
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post #12459 of 12670
12/30/09 at 8:58am
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Originally Posted by mopar04 View Post

I have the same TV as you and I can tell you the best possible solution is ISF calibration, it does wonders on Panasonic plasmas. I'm a bit biased since I'm an ISF certified installer but I'd never own a Panasonic plasma without a calibration on it.

With all due respect, ISF calibration training is not enough. Most of the Best Buy guys take a two day course (not all of them, some are decent at what they do). Check out this resource of information http://www.tweaktv.com/how-to/the-an...e-your-tv.html . I hope you find it useful.
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post #12460 of 12670
12/30/09 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by Silver Phoenix View Post

I checked under Advanced Picture Settings and there is no option for Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr. I'm just curious why this would have to be set for that, and under what Picture Mode (Standard, Cinema, Game, etc).


You are looking for x.v.color and setting it to Auto.
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post #12461 of 12670
12/30/09 at 2:01pm
I thought x.v. color is more for use with a computer monitor? What exactly does it do? Should this be set for all modes? I was told not to bother with x.v. color before.

One other thing, what HD size is the best use? It's set on HD Size 1, but oddly HD Size 2 shrinks the image down a little bit, like HD 1 is set to zoom and HD 2 is supposed to be the actual size.

I don't even know where to look for a quality IFC technician, and I know they're not cheap.
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post #12462 of 12670
12/30/09 at 9:01pm
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Originally Posted by Silver Phoenix View Post

I thought x.v. color is more for use with a computer monitor? What exactly does it do? Should this be set for all modes? I was told not to bother with x.v. color before.

One other thing, what HD size is the best use? It's set on HD Size 1, but oddly HD Size 2 shrinks the image down a little bit, like HD 1 is set to zoom and HD 2 is supposed to be the actual size.

I don't even know where to look for a quality IFC technician, and I know they're not cheap.

RGB full is for a computer monitor. If you enable super white, then you can take advantage of x.v.color on the tv.

http://www.nextgg.com/index-PS3updates.html
"When [Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI)] is set to [On], video content from AVCHD discs recorded in x.v.Color can be played with a wide color scale."

On my ps3, i have the following set:
Display: superwhite- on, rgb full- limited, cross color-off
Video: bd/dvd output - y pb/cb pr/cr, 24 hz off

On my tv I have under picture:
color mgmt - off, x.v.color 0 auto, cats - off, video nr off, black level light, hd size -2

re: hd size:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=5534

"**A word about size 1 vs 2: This is only a concern with HD channels. Most OTA HD channels do not utilize full 100% pixel and therefore have color bars running vertically, usually on the left side (these bars can be pronounced or little more than a thin line). For this reason these TVs have the size 1 option which is very slightly "zoomed" in, it's about 97% of the image and gets rid of those annoying bars. When gaming and watching blu rays/HD DVDs one should always utilize the full pixel size 2 option for maximum resolution potential.
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post #12463 of 12670
12/30/09 at 10:02pm
What color setting do you have for Cinema Mode, Warm or Normal? I set the HD size to 2, and put x/v color on Auto for Standard, Cinema, and Game. Is that right?

However, enabling Super White only works if watching or playing something on the PS3 right? The tv itself won't utilize it with no option for it outside of using the PS3. One more thing, when I'm playing in Game Mode should I have the Video NR on or off? I had it on before. Color mgmt is also set to On for Game Mode.

I have to wonder about the Black settings, and why and when someone is supposed to use the Dark Black level over Light?

I appreciate any help you've given me.
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post #12464 of 12670
12/31/09 at 6:03am
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Originally Posted by Silver Phoenix View Post

What color setting do you have for Cinema Mode, Warm or Normal? I set the HD size to 2, and put x/v color on Auto for Standard, Cinema, and Game. Is that right?

However, enabling Super White only works if watching or playing something on the PS3 right? The tv itself won't utilize it with no option for it outside of using the PS3. One more thing, when I'm playing in Game Mode should I have the Video NR on or off? I had it on before. Color mgmt is also set to On for Game Mode.

I have to wonder about the Black settings, and why and when someone is supposed to use the Dark Black level over Light?

I appreciate any help you've given me.

Yup, Superwhite only works on media that is encoded with it. Basically blu-rays/media. If you are playing somethign that doesn't support it, it won't affect anything if you turned that feature on.

"Adjust output settings for TVs that support Y Pb / Cb Pr / Cr input signals. Super-white signal can be output when playing a DVD, Blu-ray Disc (BD), or AVCHD-format video. This setting is for use when the TV is connected to the PS3™ system using an HDMI cable."

I have my TV plugged into an HDMI receiver, so I'm just using HDMI 1.

For calibration, check out this thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1019763
I experimented with some of the settings until I found one I liked, then tweaked it a bit more with the home theater settings guide on a Pixar blu-ray.
I keep x.y.color on though unlike most of the posts. I see a definite difference (for the better) when playing a movie that supports it.

I also fixed my PC problems. In my driver's (ATI) settings, there's a setting called Pixel Format and set it at YCbCr 4:2:2. It was set at 4:4:4 previously. Changing it got rid of the flicker and the brightness problems. Also had to change my TV to HDMI 2.

http://www.arcsoft.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2915
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post #12465 of 12670
12/31/09 at 7:14pm
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Originally Posted by pooter03 View Post

I keep x.y.color on though unlike most of the posts. I see a definite difference (for the better) when playing a movie that supports it.

And what movies support x.v. color? I've never seen this feature ever implemented in a DVD or Blu-ray. The reason why the general advice is to leave it off is that there is no commercially available content at this time that supports it. Leaving it on won't likely screw anything up but it won't make anything better unless you're actually have access to material that uses x.v. color.
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post #12466 of 12670
1/1/10 at 12:06pm
cant get it to work with my LG blu ray player

always greyed out.

viera link setting is ON

tried turning off and on with blu ray player playing


am i missing something
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post #12467 of 12670
1/1/10 at 5:01pm
See, the opposing opinions is what creates confusion so I don't know what is right and what is wrong. The only thing I know of Super-White is how I've read people saying it washes out the picture in certain movies, but then how am I to know if this is really the case. Why would a Plasma tv have it if there wasn't a use for it? I also find Super-White a bit of an oxymoron as whites on plasma never seem to be bright enough.

What's the deal with Video NR and MPEG NR? When should those noise reduction features be used, and for what? I wish tv options weren't so damn complicated. I still haven't heard anything about why Cinema Mode is so dark.
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post #12468 of 12670
1/4/10 at 6:13am
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Originally Posted by Silver Phoenix View Post

See, the opposing opinions is what creates confusion so I don't know what is right and what is wrong. The only thing I know of Super-White is how I've read people saying it washes out the picture in certain movies, but then how am I to know if this is really the case. Why would a Plasma tv have it if there wasn't a use for it? I also find Super-White a bit of an oxymoron as whites on plasma never seem to be bright enough.

What's the deal with Video NR and MPEG NR? When should those noise reduction features be used, and for what? I wish tv options weren't so damn complicated. I still haven't heard anything about why Cinema Mode is so dark.

Sometimes there are options that just make things worst, but the manufacturer gets to brag they support it. The 85zu, for example, supports 24p on blu-ray, but from what I understand, it creates a horrible flicker that makes the movie unwatchable (this was apparently fixed in the 2009 models).

Best thing I can tell you is to go over the calibration thread, use those as a starting point and experiment with the settings. See what works with you.
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post #12469 of 12670
1/4/10 at 10:22am
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Originally Posted by Silver Phoenix View Post

See, the opposing opinions is what creates confusion so I don't know what is right and what is wrong. The only thing I know of Super-White is how I've read people saying it washes out the picture in certain movies, but then how am I to know if this is really the case. Why would a Plasma tv have it if there wasn't a use for it? I also find Super-White a bit of an oxymoron as whites on plasma never seem to be bright enough.

What's the deal with Video NR and MPEG NR? When should those noise reduction features be used, and for what? I wish tv options weren't so damn complicated. I still haven't heard anything about why Cinema Mode is so dark.

First of all, super white is a feature for YCC output that allows blacker than black and whiter than white information to be output in the YCC mode. This mode is only active while watching DVDs and BDs and not in the PS3's XMB or while gaming. Blacker than black signals are only displayed if brightness is set to high on the TV and so the only use for black than black output is to aid in setting brightness correctly on your TV to avoid crushing blacks without washing them out by turning brightness too high. White than white output is useful during DVD and BD playback as some content is in this range (above 235, which is video white). Since whiter than white signals are above video white (digital 235), it's called super white. X.v. color is not implemented in any commercial DVDs or BDs and so it makes no difference whether x.v. color is enabled on the TV or not.

Also, super white and x.v. color are separate things, even though super white might need to be active for x.v. color to be enabled on the PS3.

In any case though, x.v. color will not found on any commercial DVD or BD you can buy or rent so it's a moot point.

Last of all, super white doesn't make whites brighter, it just allows above white info to be displayed if a DVD or BD has above white info and then that info will be displayed and will be brighter than white. But the the actual whites (digital 235) will not be altered in any way.
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post #12470 of 12670
1/4/10 at 3:42pm
So should I have Super-White on or off, and should I just keep x.v. color off? I don't understand why there are features that are useless, and it's not like they explain it very well to begin with.

I'm also really annoyed by this HD Size 1 and 2. I set it to 2 and those damn bars are on either side or top and bottom. One channel will have it on the left, one on the right, some on multiple sides. WTF is the purpose of this? If a channel is HD it should full the whole damn screen.

I also notice that when I play the PS3 there is a slim line of black on the right side of my tv, it's like the picture hit a wall and forgot to fill in the rest of the picture. It's a very slim line when the picture hits the "frame" of the tv. It's not really noticeable unless you're looking at it with a keen eye. I hope it's not a defect, because the whole screen is seemingly filled if I put it to HD Size 1. It's probably just the actual image panel stopping there that can be noticed on computer monitors.

I asked about the Video and MPEG Noise Reduction, and when it's supposed to be used but no one answered. I haven't had any problems watching a Blu-Ray, but I set the 24hz OFF on the PS3 instead of leaving it on Automatic like I had it before. Does it matter?

As for the Calibration Thread, it's been dead and it's more confusing than helpful when everyones settings are different.
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post #12471 of 12670
1/5/10 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

First of all, super white is a feature for YCC output that allows blacker than black and whiter than white information to be output in the YCC mode. This mode is only active while watching DVDs and BDs and not in the PS3's XMB or while gaming. Blacker than black signals are only displayed if brightness is set to high on the TV and so the only use for black than black output is to aid in setting brightness correctly on your TV to avoid crushing blacks without washing them out by turning brightness too high. White than white output is useful during DVD and BD playback as some content is in this range (above 235, which is video white). Since whiter than white signals are above video white (digital 235), it's called super white. X.v. color is not implemented in any commercial DVDs or BDs and so it makes no difference whether x.v. color is enabled on the TV or not.

Also, super white and x.v. color are separate things, even though super white might need to be active for x.v. color to be enabled on the PS3.

In any case though, x.v. color will not found on any commercial DVD or BD you can buy or rent so it's a moot point.

Last of all, super white doesn't make whites brighter, it just allows above white info to be displayed if a DVD or BD has above white info and then that info will be displayed and will be brighter than white. But the the actual whites (digital 235) will not be altered in any way.


It seemed to me that x.v.color had to be on for Superwhite to work, whether they are the same thing or not. However, I'm pretty confused about it myself.

In anycase, I see a noticable difference with Superwhite, limited rgb, and ycc enabled on my ps3 and superwhite auto enabled on my tv. It could be a placebo, but I swear I'm getting more vivid colors and more detailed darks/shadows then when I had the default settings.

Really it comes down to whatever makes you happy.
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post #12472 of 12670
1/5/10 at 3:26pm
I know most people like the Cinema settings and one some channels it looks good to me..but on others..its too dark..on those occasions I switch to Custom to get a brighter picture...

here are my settings...

Picture 78
Bright 48
Color 35
Tint -3
sharp 0
Color..Warm..
XV Color off
Cats Off
Video ..On
MPEG...On
Black Level on Dark..

Would be interested in seeing what the settings others are using if they have their TV Set at Custom..

I wonder if there is a different in picture quality from Cable to Dish/Direct...
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post #12473 of 12670
1/12/10 at 3:50pm
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Originally Posted by pooter03 View Post

It seemed to me that x.v.color had to be on for Superwhite to work, whether they are the same thing or not. However, I'm pretty confused about it myself.

In anycase, I see a noticable difference with Superwhite, limited rgb, and ycc enabled on my ps3 and superwhite auto enabled on my tv. It could be a placebo, but I swear I'm getting more vivid colors and more detailed darks/shadows then when I had the default settings.

Really it comes down to whatever makes you happy.

You have it reversed; Super-white must be on for x.v. color to work. It's useless though and so it's best to leave it off (x.v. color setting on TV). There is no super-white setting on the TV, only x.v. color. Super-white may improve the pic quality of Movies that have whiter than white content but x.v. color is NOT supported by DVD and Blu-ray. That's a fact for all commercially available content in these formats.
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1/12/10 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by Silver Phoenix View Post

So should I have Super-White on or off, and should I just keep x.v. color off? I don't understand why there are features that are useless, and it's not like they explain it very well to begin with.

I'm also really annoyed by this HD Size 1 and 2. I set it to 2 and those damn bars are on either side or top and bottom. One channel will have it on the left, one on the right, some on multiple sides. WTF is the purpose of this? If a channel is HD it should full the whole damn screen.

I also notice that when I play the PS3 there is a slim line of black on the right side of my tv, it's like the picture hit a wall and forgot to fill in the rest of the picture. It's a very slim line when the picture hits the "frame" of the tv. It's not really noticeable unless you're looking at it with a keen eye. I hope it's not a defect, because the whole screen is seemingly filled if I put it to HD Size 1. It's probably just the actual image panel stopping there that can be noticed on computer monitors.

I asked about the Video and MPEG Noise Reduction, and when it's supposed to be used but no one answered. I haven't had any problems watching a Blu-Ray, but I set the 24hz OFF on the PS3 instead of leaving it on Automatic like I had it before. Does it matter?

As for the Calibration Thread, it's been dead and it's more confusing than helpful when everyones settings are different.

Super-white on and x.v. color off is best. Use HD size 2 to get 1:1 pixel mapping. Only use size 1 when noise on the extreme edges of the screen is annoying. Leave 24hz output off on the PS3. The NR features can be left off unless you find it helps reduce noise without softening the image.
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post #12475 of 12670
1/14/10 at 8:05am
Have the panasonic pz85u and was wondering when playing a standard definition dvd on a blu ray player in Fullmode if the picture is distored at all? It doesnt look like it to me as I put it in 4:3 and then put it in Full and picture is the same and doesnt change.
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post #12476 of 12670
1/14/10 at 8:08am
Hey Guys, I just wanted to thank you first for taking interest in my case. I have a Panasonic Plasma Viera TH-42PZ85U and I have a little problem.

My problem is that I have a visible that that doesnt change colors. It started out being green but now I think it just black and white. I took it to a repair shop and they mentioned to me that the PDP screen is not produced and more and they cant' fix it.

I do not know where I can find a PDP for this tv. I did some research but to no avail. The part number is MC106F16711. Will anyone know the cost of this product and where I can find it. This product is out of warranty so I will pay it out of pocket. I also in Brazil where things here are 2x more expensive than in the USA and the UK.

Other question, will anyone know what was the cause of this. I purchase the TV in November of 2008 and in December 2009 this happened. It was working 100% until that annoying line on the screen.

Thank you in advanced!!!!!!
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post #12477 of 12670
1/15/10 at 9:35am
Anyone using the optical output of the PZ85?

Does it pass DD 5.1? Thinking about getting the Vizio VSB200 which they announced will now support DD decoding for my bedroom.

Can the volume output through the optical output be controlled by the PZ85's remote? I was disappointed to find that the analog outputs are not variable, meaning that the PZ85 remote could not control the volume of powered speakers connected to the analog outputs.
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post #12478 of 12670
1/15/10 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

Anyone using the optical output of the PZ85?

Does it pass DD 5.1?

I haven't read the manual in a long time, but I'm 98% sure the TV will only pass 2.0. I can't help with the other questions.
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post #12479 of 12670
1/15/10 at 10:41am
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Anyone using the optical output of the PZ85? Does it pass DD 5.1?

No it can not. It only passes DD from the internal TV input. It does not pass DD through the HDMI inputs.
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post #12480 of 12670
1/16/10 at 4:54pm
Does anyone have their Color Matrix under Advanced Picture Settings set to HD?

Originally it was set to SD (Standard Definition), and I had my Sony PSP hooked up via component cable in Game Mode. I never saw the Color Matrix box active before, so I switched it to HD and it added some color detail that SD wasn't showing. Now I guess that all of my picture modes have switched the Color Matrix to HD, and I'm wondering if there is a reason I should switch back to SD or leave it on HD?

I'm not sure of the purpose of this option, and if it makes anything worse by having it set to HD now. Hopefully someone understands this, and can give me the right answer.
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