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post #1 of 16
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What's a good wireless keyboard ?

I need it to work from about 10-12 ft from the HTPC, in the same room only. It would be good if it worked with the BIOS screens before the OS boots, but not a requirement.

Same question about a wireless trackball. A combination wireless keyboard/trackball would be nice, but I haven't seen any models with the trackball on the left, which is what I would need, so I think it's going to have to be separate.

I was thinking maybe I could use a wireless USB hub like the belkin F5U302, and use a wired keyboard/trackball with it, but those look pretty pricey and have had bad reviews on amazon. Has anyone tried them here with HTPC ?
post #2 of 16
Avoid IR like the plague is my main suggestion. This little gem is quite nice if I can get my Fn key to stop being broken:

http://www.directron.com/mk700.html
post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by Sizam View Post

Avoid IR like the plague is my main suggestion. This little gem is quite nice if I can get my Fn key to stop being broken:

http://www.directron.com/mk700.html

Thanks. I wasn't even considering IR. What exactly is the problem with your Fn key ? Physical damage to the keyboard ?
post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by Sizam View Post

Avoid IR like the plague is my main suggestion. This little gem is quite nice if I can get my Fn key to stop being broken:

http://www.directron.com/mk700.html

This keyboard has a problem waking the computer from suspend (S3) - at least for me.
post #5 of 16
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Originally Posted by fatbadger View Post

This keyboard has a problem waking the computer from suspend (S3) - at least for me.

Oh, I see. Hmm, in theory, since I plan to buy a case with IR power capability and remote, that shouldn't be an issue for me. I think ...
post #6 of 16
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I ended up buying a micro innovations KB985W which is a set of a wireless keyboard and mouse. It supports both PS/2 and USB. I tried it with USB on a laptop since I haven't built my HTPC yet. It was plug & play - I didn't install any drivers on vista (though it came with a disk). The range is pretty good - it works accross floors, I would say about 25-30 ft apart. The only downside is the optical mouse - it didn't work well at all on my glass coffee table. But I'm not going to use that mouse anyway, only the keyboard.

I paid $49.99 at Microcenter. Looks like I could have paid less online, but there would have been shipping, and I really wanted to check the range and not be stuck with having to ship back something big like a keyboard.
post #7 of 16
a little steep but Logitech Dinovo Edge
post #8 of 16
The best I found and used so far.... and cheap.
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...anufacture=BTC


Sim to above but with a diff tranmitter and reciever (2.4ghz USB)
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...anufacture=BTC

You cab check NCIXUS for US pricing.

I actually pref the cheaper one (1st) since it seems to have less chance of being interfer with not like the other one on the 2.4ghz band since other devices like cordless phones and garage door openers etc may shared the same bandwith.

Maybe not the best looking but very functionable and has decent range (10-12ft no probms)

Also there is the new DiNovo Mini (bluetooth)...but havent seen it being available yet even tho its supposed to have been release at the beginning of Mar. Very small almost like an oversized smartphone (large PDA size).
post #9 of 16
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Hi,

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Originally Posted by dannieboiz View Post

a little steep but Logitech Dinovo Edge

Yeah, I saw that in the stores. I didn't like it one bit, for two reasons.

1) It's bluetooth.

Bluetooth keyboards are known not to work with the BIOS. The keyboard only works after the OS loads and drivers are installed. If I ever have multiboot ... Then I couldn't choose the OS on boot. And that would make the machine installation or recovery a nightmare. Eg., not being able to get into safe mode. No thanks.

I think Bluetooth would be fine for a mouse/trackball, but not the keyboard as it needs to be available before the OS loads.

I was looking specifically for a keyboard with PS/2 support to make sure that it would work with the BIOS regardless (though it would probably work with USB too, but not guaranteed).

2) I prefer a full size keyboard. Just my way as an engineer typing for 20 years. I can't stand laptops because they don't have full size keyboards. I'm actually quite useless on one unless it's hooked up to my KVM switch. My ikea glass coffee table in the living room has enough space underneath for a full size keyboard.

I must say that the micro innovation keyboard is the only product I found that fit my needs. And I looked at literally dozens.

I'm still looking for a left-handed wireless trackball. Not having any luck so far.
post #10 of 16
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Hi,

I saw those two at Fry's. I rejected them because of the lack of a numeric keypad.

I didn't experience interference from the micro innovations with my 2.4ghz phone/answering machine. But I didn't try using it at the same time as th keyboard.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tinker View Post

The best I found and used so far.... and cheap.
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...anufacture=BTC


Sim to above but with a diff tranmitter and reciever (2.4ghz USB)
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...anufacture=BTC

You cab check NCIXUS for US pricing.

I actually pref the cheaper one (1st) since it seems to have less chance of being interfer with not like the other one on the 2.4ghz band since other devices like cordless phones and garage door openers etc may shared the same bandwith.

Maybe not the best looking but very functionable and has decent range (10-12ft no probms)

Also there is the new DiNovo Mini (bluetooth)...but havent seen it being available yet even tho its supposed to have been release at the beginning of Mar. Very small almost like an oversized smartphone (large PDA size).
post #11 of 16
madbrain, just an FYI, your assumption about the diNovo Edge is incorrect. It works great pre-OS. I use this keyboard on 3 PCs in my house--2 of which have power-on passwords. And I am in the BIOS all the time anyway, so pre-OS functionality is a must-have for me too.

If you try to use the keyboard with a generic BT dongle, then you're right, there won't be a connection until the drivers load. However, the dongle it comes with is not a generic BT dongle--it works only with the keyboard, and they are connected together, so it does not rely on a driver--it works as soon as the dongle has power. Point in fact, I use the sleep button on the Edge to both put my HTPC to sleep and wake it up! Yes, this functionality has as much to do with the mobo as the keyboard, but nevertheless, the keyboard itself works pre-OS.

Unfortunately, like you said, the integrated touchpad (which is awesome, btw) is on the right side...
post #12 of 16
Yes the dinovo edge is the ultimate HTPC controlling device! Way better than a remote

As a side note (one that I'm not entirely proud to admit) I have now spilled water on my 'edge TWICE. This morning I woke up to find my keyboard overflowing from water that had been soaking in all night. I just tipped it upsidedown on top of a towel and let it dry a bit. Works like new still!
post #13 of 16
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Hi,

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Originally Posted by gtfoltz View Post

madbrain, just an FYI, your assumption about the diNovo Edge is incorrect. It works great pre-OS. I use this keyboard on 3 PCs in my house--2 of which have power-on passwords. And I am in the BIOS all the time anyway, so pre-OS functionality is a must-have for me too.

If you try to use the keyboard with a generic BT dongle, then you're right, there won't be a connection until the drivers load. However, the dongle it comes with is not a generic BT dongle--it works only with the keyboard, and they are connected together, so it does not rely on a driver--it works as soon as the dongle has power. Point in fact, I use the sleep button on the Edge to both put my HTPC to sleep and wake it up! Yes, this functionality has as much to do with the mobo as the keyboard, but nevertheless, the keyboard itself works pre-OS.

Unfortunately, like you said, the integrated touchpad (which is awesome, btw) is on the right side...

Thanks. Good to know about the pre-OS behavior. But it is probably motherboard/BIOS dependent.

As far as touchpads go - I have tried them on friends' Gateway and Apple laptops. I don't care which side they are on - they usually just don't respond to the touch of my fingers. It's not something I could ever get used to. I really need a trackball.
post #14 of 16
I don't think you'll ever find a keyboard with a trackball on the left. Heck, it's hard enough to find keyboards with trackballs as it is. I feel for you though, being left handed myself. My advice is bite the bullet and struggle though using your right hand. That's what I did and now I'm actually more proficient using a mouse/trackball/touchpad with my right hand then I am with my left. Plus, you won't have people complaining about you having a left-handed keyboard when they try to use it.

I also used to feel the exact same way as you do about touchpads. I hated them. When I got a laptop, I just forced myself to use it (with my right hand). Now, I'm almost as proficient with one as I am a real mouse. If that's the only thing stopping you from getting that DiVono edge, it's worth struggling through at first and learning to use the trackpad.
post #15 of 16
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Hi,

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Originally Posted by mslide View Post

I don't think you'll ever find a keyboard with a trackball on the left. Heck, it's hard enough to find keyboards with trackballs as it is. I feel for you though, being left handed myself. My advice is bite the bullet and struggle though using your right hand. That's what I did and now I'm actually more proficient using a mouse/trackball/touchpad with my right hand then I am with my left. Plus, you won't have people complaining about you having a left-handed keyboard when they try to use it.

I also used to feel the exact same way as you do about touchpads. I hated them. When I got a laptop, I just forced myself to use it (with my right hand). Now, I'm almost as proficient with one as I am a real mouse. If that's the only thing stopping you from getting that DiVono edge, it's worth struggling through at first and learning to use the trackpad.

I am actually right-handed, not left-handed. I started programming computers at the age of 12. I'm going to be 32 so that'll be 20 years coming up soon. When I was 19, I was diagnosed with tendinitis in my right hand. This tendinitis only gets triggered when I use a pointer in the right hand. It is way worse with a mouse on the right than a trackball, but it is the case nevertheless. I don't get this tendinitis at all when I play the piano.
So, you could say that I'm ambidextrous. But I am not a masochist, and I'm set on avoiding the pain of using a pointer with my right hand.

I won't insist on a keyboard that's got the trackball on the left. I know I'm not going to find that. I just want a separate wireless trackball that I can put on either side - left or right. So far, the only wireless trackballs (Logitech) I have found are made for the shape of the right hand and can't be used with the left, even though they can be placed on the left side :-( I'm rather upset.
post #16 of 16
Can the touch pad on the right of the DiNovo Edge be used like a mouse. All I see in the description is horizontal and vertical scrolling of documents. Would be cool if I didn't need a mouse anymore and just use this.

Thanks!
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