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February 29th - The PS3 in your Home Theater

post #1 of 70
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It's pretty clear by now that Blu-ray won the high definition video disk war. By the end of this year HD-DVD will be a distant memory and those who want to watch High Definition movies will need a Blu-ray player. There are a bunch of options out there for those in the market, and the Sony PlayStation 3 has been talked about as the most capable player available. For a long time it was the least expensive way to get a Blu-ray player. That isn't true anymore, but it's still close. It's currently available in two models, a 40 GB model for $399.99 and an 80 GB model for $499.99. Today we'll ignore the gaming side for the most part and look at how it performs as a home theater device. more...

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post #2 of 70
I wish Sony made a BluRay player based on PS3 with the flexibility to update, minus the space ship like look and feel, some thing that looks like a home theater equipment. (and minus the gaming feature..I dont use games)
post #3 of 70
HD-DVD will be a distant memory and those who want to watch High Definition movies will need a Blu-ray player


Really? Wow. I'd thought I watch some on my HDDVD's on my HDDVD player.
post #4 of 70
A PS3 that was shaped like normal HT gear and had full IR capabilities (no nyko usb ir adapter) would be sweet, in fact it would be perfect (although other companies making Blu-Ray players may be upset by the monopoly it would create on the blu-ray player market)
post #5 of 70
Yep, all my HD DVD players and movies went up in smoke just the other day. NOT I am scooping up as many HD DVDs as I can get and limping along on the Blu side with a few exclusives I have and a lousy Panny BD10 player with soft PQ and the LFE bug.

I watch most HD movies on the three XA2 players that I have, and an occasional Blu movie on that crappy Panny.

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Originally Posted by ettelman View Post

A PS3 that was shaped like normal HT gear and had full IR capabilities (no nyko usb ir adapter) would be sweet, in fact it would be perfect (although other companies making Blu-Ray players may be upset by the monopoly it would create on the blu-ray player market)

Hardly, with the limited audio capabilities. It could be a step, but certainly not a good solution.
post #6 of 70
Yup, I plan on enjoying my HD movies on any of my 3 HD DVD players for years to come. And, I don't have to buy a machine that 3 million teenagers play games on in their mothers basement that looks like a George Foreman grill.
post #7 of 70
boy, this thread went to hell pretty much instantly.
post #8 of 70
I'll be able to watch HD movies on my HD-DVD player, Xbox360, cable, sattelite system, and the internet at the end of the year. I will need to have a blu-ray player? I don't think so, not at those prices.
post #9 of 70
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Originally Posted by Braden Russell View Post

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It's pretty clear by now that Blu-ray won the high definition video disk war.

Blu-ray definitely won the video disk war but...

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By the end of this year HD-DVD will be a distant memory and those who want to watch High Definition movies will need a Blu-ray player.

Not exactly the battle no longer Blu-ray v. HD DVD, but instead Blu-ray v. all non-optical disk HD media such as that available on AppleTV, possibly Unbox and Netflix, satellite/cable HD programming and their on-demand HD downloads etc. That's why Blu-ray and HD DVD were so desperate to fight it out. If the battle went on too long, both could become passe, with many people going straight from DVD to downloaded content and never buying another video disk player of any kind.

Soon enough you won't need a disk at all. With higher bandwidth and better codecs, video is going the way music is going. When's the last time you bought a CD?
post #10 of 70
If satellite/cable HD programming and internet speeds in a year are the same as they are now Blu-Ray will have nothing to worry about.

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Originally Posted by looter View Post

Soon enough you won't need a disk at all. With higher bandwidth and better codecs, video is going the way music is going. When's the last time you bought a CD?

Not sure why people make this comparison so often. The distinction between CD's and MP3 downloads is a lot different to a DVD and a movie download. There is the huge issue of the business model of CD's being unattractive to the end consumer like paying for ten songs when you only want two. Also, people want their music to be portable hence lugging around a sack full of CD's is out of the question. There's also no middle man to cut out in the movie business - it's the same big movie studios that will be selling you those downloads.

I'm not saying that it will not happen but the migration of CDs to downloads is not a perfect analogy by any stretch of the imagination.
post #11 of 70
How many times can people watch the same HD-DVDs before they get sick of them?

How many of those released in the HD formats are actually *good* movies that invite repeated viewing?

No matter how many HD-DVD players you have or disks, you will eventually crave some new movies or movies that are now only on the surviving format.
post #12 of 70
just wait people, oppo will make one now the war is over, we will need it, because blue-ray sucks. two words Faroudja/OPPO
post #13 of 70
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Originally Posted by trinibwoy View Post

If satellite/cable HD programming and internet speeds in a year are the same as they are now Blu-Ray will have nothing to worry about.

Not sure why people make this comparison so often. The distinction between CD's and MP3 downloads is a lot different to a DVD and a movie download. There is the huge issue of the business model of CD's being unattractive to the end consumer like paying for ten songs when you only want two. Also, people want their music to be portable hence lugging around a sack full of CD's is out of the question. There's also no middle man to cut out in the movie business - it's the same big movie studios that will be selling you those downloads.

I'm not saying that it will not happen but the migration of CDs to downloads is not a perfect analogy by any stretch of the imagination.

Bottom line is that HD content is available on iTunes and from DirecTV today and others soon to come. Sony etc. are afraid of being pasted over. Blu-ray player prices are coming down or they be left behind.
post #14 of 70
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Originally Posted by looter View Post

Blu-ray definitely won the video disk war but...



Not exactly the battle no longer Blu-ray v. HD DVD, but instead Blu-ray v. all non-optical disk HD media such as that available on AppleTV, possibly Unbox and Netflix, satellite/cable HD programming and their on-demand HD downloads etc. That's why Blu-ray and HD DVD were so desperate to fight it out. If the battle went on too long, both could become passe, with many people going straight from DVD to downloaded content and never buying another video disk player of any kind.

Soon enough you won't need a disk at all. With higher bandwidth and better codecs, video is going the way music is going. When's the last time you bought a CD?

It is not accurate to say movies on hard media is soon to be passe. While most of us in this forum are tech savy and early adopters that most likely lean toward downloadable soft media, the majority of the mass consumer electronic market still likely prefer something they can hold in their hand....Just walk into any big box store and observe the average shopper.

I really don't care that either Blu-ray or HD-DVD won the war. I just care that there is one for the mass consumer market. The two camps should have worked out their differences to avoid the war. They should have learned their lesson from the DVD launch, which btw almost went through a format war prior to launch. DVD is often touted as the most successful consumer electronic product launch in history and it is precisely because the two sides standardize on a single format and kept the entry price low. Will I pay $400-$500 for a Blu-Ray player now that it won? Hell no. I don't see myself picking up a player until it's in the $250 range.
post #15 of 70
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Originally Posted by Braden Russell View Post

Today's Show

It's pretty clear by now that Blu-ray won the high definition video disk war. By the end of this year HD-DVD will be a distant memory and those who want to watch High Definition movies will need a Blu-ray player. There are a bunch of options out there for those in the market, and the Sony PlayStation 3 has been talked about as the most capable player available. For a long time it was the least expensive way to get a Blu-ray player. That isn't true anymore, but it's still close. It's currently available in two models, a 40 GB model for $399.99 and an 80 GB model for $499.99. Today we'll ignore the gaming side for the most part and look at how it performs as a home theater device. more...

Listen now - mp3


wow with almost a million players....hd-dvd is surely not gone....but it sure is being ignored...i wish i have 1 million guaranteed customers for what i sell for a living.......
post #16 of 70
A PS3 doesn't look 'professional/high-end' enough for my setup. Yet it is the most common and upgradable blu-ray player.

So I'll wait and watch HD-DVD until I can put a cheap BR player in my linux HTPC and watch movies on that.
post #17 of 70
From the look of the posts on this thread did anybody read the whole article besides me?
post #18 of 70
Well for all of you blu-ray fans keep reading, hd-dvd fans can stop now. I think that the ps3 is a wonderful device, not to mention it is a blu-ray player as well. yes its not the prettiest thing in the world ( I think its quite sexy ) but is a very solid machine. Hell this thing has its own web browser as well. And just to correct somone, I think there are about 10 million owners now! But for all of you that are wondering about this wonderful black box, I have heard that the price of the 40gb will soon drop to 299.99 and the 80gb is no longer in production. They are releasing a 120 gb ps3 in its place, as well as they are going to release a mgs4 (metal gear solid 4, for all of you non gamers) bundle soon with the new rumble controlers. And when sony gets around to making the discs with hd live, this will be the first blu-ray player with and ethernet port to download extra content. So for all of yall that are hating on blu-ray and the ps3, do a little more homework before you start complaining. This machine is by far the best bet out on the market for an all around console with everything that you need ( and dont need in some of your cases)
post #19 of 70
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Originally Posted by velvethammer View Post

wow with almost a million players....hd-dvd is surely not gone....but it sure is being ignored...i wish i have 1 million guaranteed customers for what i sell for a living.......

Problem is that one million is nothing compared to the tens of millions of current and future blu-ray owners.
post #20 of 70
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Originally Posted by looter View Post

Bottom line is that HD content is available on iTunes and from DirecTV today and others soon to come. Sony etc. are afraid of being pasted over. Blu-ray player prices are coming down or they be left behind.

Blu-ray player prices will come down regardless as the market matures due to competition and economies of scale. I'm still not seeing the infrastructure and device support for these digital HD downloads. The entire MP3 player market supports the digital music download paradigm...what's the equivalent in the HD movie space?
post #21 of 70
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Originally Posted by trinibwoy View Post

Problem is that one million is nothing compared to the tens of millions of current and future blu-ray owners.

Highly doubtful. The PS3 market has already pretty much dried up, and the average consumer won't drop $400-$500 on a Blu player just because Sony tells them they have no other choice. The HD movie is, has been, and always will be a niche product. And really, is there anything wrong with that?
post #22 of 70
I'll pass on a PS3,I don't like the way it looks and I don't play games.
post #23 of 70
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Originally Posted by btiltman View Post

How many times can people watch the same HD-DVDs before they get sick of them?

How many times can people watch the same Blu-Ray before they get sick of them? There are as many HD's give or take right now as there ar BR's. Are you going to apply this logic to BR's and not buy them because you'll get sick of them?

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Originally Posted by btiltman View Post

How many of those released in the HD formats are actually *good* movies that invite repeated viewing?

How many of those released on Blu-Ray are actually *good* movies that invite repeated viewing? There are as many HD's give or take right now as there ar BR's. Are you going to apply this logic to BR's and not buy them because they're no good?

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Originally Posted by btiltman View Post

No matter how many HD-DVD players you have or disks, you will eventually crave some new movies or movies that are now only on the surviving format.

Ahhh...NOW you are making sense. I've said it before on this forum and I'll say it again. The "death" of HDDVD is a BUYING opportunity. #1 it will always be a great SDDVD upconverter...inexpensive at that! They ARE NOT the next Betamax!!!
Also, every $10 HDDVD you buy is a $30 BR you DON'T have to ever buy because essentially it's the same product...for now. Yes one day BR will reach it's full potential.
IF BR used their "win" wisely they'd somewhat lower the disc/player prices NOW to seal the deal. As long as used HDDVD's can be had for $10 a smart format neutral person (like myself) won't buy the $30 BR equivalent...and more likely J6P will not buy the $399 player FIRST in order to THEN buy the $30 equivalent.
In addition my local Circuit City sells brand new, but older, DVD's weekly for $4.99. The titles may be 1-3 years old, but I'd rather buy an older flick I don't own to upconvert for $4.99 then run out and buy the $30 equivalent on BR.

The enemy for BR now is really SDDVD...if you can't supercede DVD with J6P you'll always only have 1% of the market. BDA really needs to basically give the players away for widespread adoption...and even "force" manufacturers to cut back on SDDVD player production to sort of force the transition. Almost every home/PC/laptop at this point has a DVDROM in it. THAT's what needs to go for BR to "win."

Buy you are correct...one day soon when you have all the HDDVD's you really want you're going to need to look towards BR to get new release discs that you "crave." The question is will BR survive long enough?
post #24 of 70
I did not read the whole article, but I am currently done talking about PS3s for right now because Sony can't even provide them. They stopped making/selling the 80GB several weeks ago, and they don't even have 1 BASE 40GB PS3 to sell as of 4 days ago! Not a great move for Sony, being awarded a H-T of the year award for the PS3 and can't even provide the merchandice. PS3
post #25 of 70
In all the talk about players, no one seems to realize that the HD-DVD players and Blu-ray players play back your standard DVD movies and music.
A friend of mine told me today that he could get the Toshiba A3 at Costco for $78.99 and since he needs an inexpensive player for his regular DVDs and is not yet into HD he feels that makes sense. In fact, one of the clerks there said they are telling customers that this is an 'upcoverting player'.
As far as movies being watch over again, some of us like movies and watch many times, and I am one of those. Many persons I know never seem to want to watch a movie once they have seen it, and they still buy movies - even though when going through my library they always say "I've seen that".
As far as downloads go, until bandwidth gets very high there is a problem. And can you imagine any ISP allowing you that bandwidth without a high price? Just watch the latest hearings on the big guys wanting to limit indiviual use on the internet now. Next they will want to charge not only for the downlard from the Movie company, but extra to download by the ISP.
These are things not mentioned in the various forums I took at.
I own a Toshiba A35 and Panasonic BD30 for High Definition, and will watch HD and SD movies for many years.
post #26 of 70
Just bought 11 HD-DVDs from deep discount. That's 11 movies I will never need to buy on BR. Screw Sony.
post #27 of 70
hey deep. is Sony no longer selling the PS3...or is just that website no longer selling them?
post #28 of 70
i agree with you Paul, but my PS3 was $499 and my A30 was $129 so for me I'm gonna use the A30 for the upconvert and HD's and save the PS3 for just Blu-Rays...why overwork the $499 unit when the $129 unit just it just as well...all things being equal of course.
post #29 of 70
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Originally Posted by Fast351 View Post

Just bought 11 HD-DVDs from deep discount. That's 11 movies I will never need to buy on BR. Screw Sony.

You sir...are a mindreader.
post #30 of 70
I think the signature says it all.

I'm purple, and I've given my obligatory $500 to Sony for a Blu-Ray license, but I own farrrrr more HD DVDs and it doesn't look like that's going to change.

I can't get a BR locally for less than $30 unless it's a "oh-this-didn't-sell-crap-title" and I could easily get HDs locally for less than $30.

I'm more of a gamer than an avid movie fan, so I bought the PS3 not exclusively as a BD player, but more of a 60/40 split between that and games.

As it is, I own two HD DVD players and I pray every day they, along with my 70+ titles don't magically disintegrate!
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