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post #121 of 5594
I've been sick and missed the pre-order. So bummed. Any idea when these will hit other retailers (like Amazon)? Presumably after Oppo starts offering them on their site again. Oh well, April is just 2 more weeks away. I am still just hoping to get my hands on one before the new baby comes and we are all tied up with that hoopla.

Joy
post #122 of 5594
Can someone post side-by-side screen comparisons with other Oppo models? Wondering about the de-interlacing/scaling improvements

And maybe PS3 DVD comparison?
post #123 of 5594
I second the PS3 DVD comparison, as I am using one to watch my standard def DVDs on my RS-1. Does it look $400 better?
post #124 of 5594
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by nikonf5 View Post

On the first page of this thread, shouldnt the firmware release date be March 10, 2008???

It should, but my mind is still in 2007.
post #125 of 5594
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Originally Posted by BrenRidley View Post

I second the PS3 DVD comparison, as I am using one to watch my standard def DVDs on my RS-1. Does it look $400 better?

On the same Secrets benchmark test that the OPPO 983 aced with a top score of 100 out of 100, the PS3 scored a 61 as a DVD upconverting player. The review is here http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-b...on%203%20(HDMI)

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Conclusions

It is a shame that Sony put so much work into the PlayStation 3 in some areas but not in DVD playback. The lack of a film mode for de-interlacing and no support for upscaling are rare in progressive scan DVD players these days. While I would still recommend it as a Blu-ray player, anyone considering adding the PS3 to their home theater rack should probably keep their standard DVD player as well.

Kris Deering revisited the PS3 with FW 2.1 more recently here http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/dvd-p...s3-fw-2.1.html and concluded:

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Like most game consoles, the PS3 is not what I would call a preferred video playback solution for standard DVDs. However, it is far and away one of the best Blu-ray players on the market today and an outstanding value for those looking to add HD support to their home theater system. But I would still recommend a higher quality stand alone DVD player for the more demanding home theater enthusiast.

Dana
post #126 of 5594
So has anyone taken or planned a personal/sick day off to play with their new toy?
post #127 of 5594
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Originally Posted by drbonbi View Post

On the same Secrets benchmark test that the OPPO 983 aced with a top score of 100 out of 100, the PS3 scored a 61 as a DVD upconverting player. The review is here http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-b...on%203%20(HDMI)



Dana

I think that comparison is old though (I could be wrong). From what I hear, the PS3 has had some really good FW udates since then and now does much better with sd-dvd. Neuro??... care to comment on that? Don't you have a PS3.
post #128 of 5594
Oppo specifically mentions DD EX decoding, but doesn't mention DTS ES.

Could someone please give me an explanation of why this is mentioned and what it means to the user.

Thanks,
Rob
post #129 of 5594
I don't have the PS3 anymore, but I was never that impressed with it for SD DVD - subjectively speaking - even after the update. The image didn't look as natural or filmlike compared to other players.
post #130 of 5594
I'd like to know whether this player is worth the $400 + shipping + duties in price (it'll be close to $550 once it arrives in Canada). I was looking forward to the ABT processor, but considering a Reon outboard processor is only $500, I wonder about the value of this unit.
post #131 of 5594
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by girdnerg View Post

Oppo specifically mentions DD EX decoding, but doesn't mention DTS ES.

Could someone please give me an explanation of why this is mentioned and what it means to the user.

This means that the DVD player can only decode DTS Core, while it can decode Dolby Digital and Dolby Digital ES for the HDMI or analog audio outputs.

It can still do a bitstream of DTS ES through optical and HDMI.
post #132 of 5594
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

I think that comparison is old though (I could be wrong). From what I hear, the PS3 has had some really good FW udates since then and now does much better with sd-dvd. ...

Yes, the initial review is dated. But, when Kris revisited it in a review posted Feb. 29, 2008 - no change.

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Introduction

Last year, I put the Sony Playstation 3 through our DVD Player Benchmark™ testing and it didn’t fare very well. In fact, it turned out to be one of the worst players I had tested to date. Later in the year the PS3 got a firmware update (v1.8) that supposedly revamped the DVD performance of the gaming console. I was bombarded with emails from our readership asking me to retest the console claiming they were seeing a huge difference in DVD playback after loading the new firmware.

At the time the new firmware came out, I did not have access to a PS3 anymore. Later on I was able to acquire one and run it through the tests. The only problem is, it didn’t seem to do any better.

Dana
post #133 of 5594
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Originally Posted by drbonbi View Post

Yes, the initial review is dated. But, when Kris revisited it in a review posted Feb. 29, 2008 - no change.



Dana

Got it... thanks.
post #134 of 5594
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

I'd like to know whether this player is worth the $400 + shipping + duties in price (it'll be close to $550 once it arrives in Canada). I was looking forward to the ABT processor, but considering a Reon outboard processor is only $500, I wonder about the value of this unit.

"Worth" is subjective. It is hard for anyone else to say what it is worth to you. It depends on how much $400 means to you, how fanatical you are about your DVDs, and what your alternatives are.

I'm fanatical but cheap. $399 is a lot for an SD-DVD player these days. Coincidentally that is exactly what I paid for a 480i component-out player almost 10 years ago, but we expect lower prices now.

I have a 981 and 980 and am pleased with them. My small LCD really doesn't require the 983, but I can see a difference and as long as I have the Oppo beta machine I will use it in preference to the others. If I did not have it I probably would not buy one.

I would miss the 4:3 letterbox zoom, though.

-Bill
post #135 of 5594
My estimated ship date has now moved to March 12, 2008. TG I selected FEDEX 2 day Air delivery.

Dana
post #136 of 5594
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

I'd like to know whether this player is worth the $400 + shipping + duties in price (it'll be close to $550 once it arrives in Canada). I was looking forward to the ABT processor, but considering a Reon outboard processor is only $500, I wonder about the value of this unit.

http://www.solutionsav.ca

Click on the Oppo link right on the main page a few lines down from the top.

As they say, you can get it to your door for CDN$397+taxes if you pre-order since shipping is free in this case.

Shipping is only 2 dollars anyway.

Either way, you will have to wait till the end of March as they say.

As far as Reons go, I would say the ABT is a superior solution but thats just my take on the subject.

To get an outboard processor that has the same chipset as this one [VP20 or VP30 with the ABT102D add-on card], you would have to spend at least CDN$1500 and thats through eBay.

It would cost you a couple of hundred more if you bought it new in Canada.

Hope the local Oppo link helps you.
post #137 of 5594
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

This means that the DVD player can only decode DTS Core, while it can decode Dolby Digital and Dolby Digital ES for the HDMI or analog audio outputs.

It can still do a bitstream of DTS ES through optical and HDMI.

Thanks. I thought that's what it was, but wanted to make sure.
post #138 of 5594
Mine will be delievered Friday... I will unfortunately likely have to wait until Saturday to pick it up as it is signature required and my wife and I both work. Either way just in time for the weekend.
post #139 of 5594
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Originally Posted by drbonbi View Post

My estimated ship date has now moved to March 12, 2008. TG I selected FEDEX 2 day Air delivery.

Dana

Mine is still setting at 'pending order change'. I asked Oppo to change the shipping to 2 day if it shipped tomorrow so I could have it for the weekend.

Fingers crossed....
post #140 of 5594
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Originally Posted by drbonbi View Post

My estimated ship date has now moved to March 12, 2008. TG I selected FEDEX 2 day Air delivery.

Dana

Same here.
post #141 of 5594
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

So has anyone taken or planned a personal/sick day off to play with their new toy?

Hi boss... I.. cough... cough... fell kinda like im cough... getting sick... cough.... See ya monday....
post #142 of 5594
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Originally Posted by nikonf5 View Post

http://www.solutionsav.ca

Click on the Oppo link right on the main page a few lines down from the top.

As they say, you can get it to your door for CDN$397+taxes if you pre-order since shipping is free in this case.

Shipping is only 2 dollars anyway.

Either way, you will have to wait till the end of March as they say.

As far as Reons go, I would say the ABT is a superior solution but thats just my take on the subject.

To get an outboard processor that has the same chipset as this one [VP20 or VP30 with the ABT102D add-on card], you would have to spend at least CDN$1500 and thats through eBay.

It would cost you a couple of hundred more if you bought it new in Canada.

Hope the local Oppo link helps you.

Thanks for the link, but since I've seen an A1 upconverted using VP20 vs XA20 and prefer the XA2 (just preference, I guess), I'll wait until there is a more definitive review comparing between the 983 vs the $500 Reon outboard (which I can also use for to upconvert my original Star Wars Trilogy
post #143 of 5594
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

So has anyone taken or planned a personal/sick day off to play with their new toy?

No unfortunately my vacation doesn't start until Monday but my 983 is now in Ft. Worth Texas fixin' to be on it's way To Tulsa and my sweaty hands tommorrow!! wwOOOOt! Anyway I've read over the new owners manual and looks like setup will be a breeze as defaults are good for most everything so at least I'll be able to hook it up and look it over after work. All I have to compare it to is my Oppo 970 So I'll post my thoughts on that.
post #144 of 5594
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Originally Posted by Pride9 View Post

I have a favor to ask of all you fortunate 983 users. I will be using the 980 or 983 for SD-DVD's and for SACD and DVD-Audio playback. I see one of the major differences between the two is the 980 will pass DSD over HDMI whereas the 983 will convert to PCM over HDMI. If I recall Kal from Stereophile said he preferred the PCM to the DSD through HDMI to the Integra 9.8. When those who have/will be getting the 983 and have used the 980 are able, can you describe the sound quality differences in SACD's between the 980 using DSD and the 983 with the conversion. If the quality is only slightly better with DSD in the 980 then the 983 might be worth it for the video alone. Thanks for answering questions for those who have to wait.

I definitely prefer the sound of PCM! To have the extra bass management applied and other setting makes PCM much richer sounding to me than DSD in a pure mode. Just sounds so dull.

And with ABT to boot, the PQ is exceptional on DVD.
post #145 of 5594
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Originally Posted by drbonbi View Post

Yes, the initial review is dated. But, when Kris revisited it in a review posted Feb. 29, 2008 - no change.



Dana

I'd have to argue in favor of PS3 upscaling. It can truly handle some difficult cadences.
post #146 of 5594
I've been waiting to get one of these. But, after finally getting to look at the back panel, It doesn't have a seperate 2 channel mixed output like the 981. A good feature if you want to take advantage of 5.1 analog for high rez. And a 2 channel analog out for cd playback. Oh well.
post #147 of 5594
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Originally Posted by Rinkledorf View Post

I've been waiting to get one of these. But, after finally getting to look at the back panel, It doesn't have a seperate 2 channel mixed output like the 981. A good feature if you want to take advantage of 5.1 analog for high rez. And a 2 channel analog out for cd playback. Oh well.

Unless you plan to route the two-channel to a separate receiver or pre-amp, you can still do this. If you disable Pro Logic II, the 983H will output 5.1 analog for DVD-A and multichannel SACD as well as straight stereo for stereo SACD and CD.
post #148 of 5594
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Originally Posted by Rinkledorf View Post

I've been waiting to get one of these. But, after finally getting to look at the back panel, It doesn't have a seperate 2 channel mixed output like the 981. A good feature if you want to take advantage of 5.1 analog for high rez. And a 2 channel analog out for cd playback. Oh well.

Cant you just use a 1male->2female RCA splitter on mixed outputs?
post #149 of 5594
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Originally Posted by gonk View Post

Unless you plan to route the two-channel to a separate receiver or pre-amp, you can still do this. If you disable Pro Logic II, the 983H will output 5.1 analog for DVD-A and multichannel SACD as well as straight stereo for stereo SACD and CD.

I believe a simple pair of Y adapter is all that is needed correct?
post #150 of 5594
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Thanks for the link, but since I've seen an A1 upconverted using VP20 vs XA20 and prefer the XA2 (just preference, I guess), I'll wait until there is a more definitive review comparing between the 983 vs the $500 Reon outboard (which I can also use for to upconvert my original Star Wars Trilogy

What is this $500 outboard Reon processor?
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