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post #1681 of 5594
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

It's hard to find out from the specs; PAL sources are so rare here that US outlets don't even mention 50hz in the manuals. But I think it has actually become common in modern flat panels; it's a world market after all. My Westinghouse supports both NTSC-60 and PAL-50.

-Bill

Indeed. I have never understood why a company such as Pioneer or Samsung etc would make different models for the US than they do for Europe and the UK. Having said that, makes like Westinghouse are totally unknown here so if they're not exporting, one would think they'd not worry about 50Hz - yet they do! So no logic anywhere it seems.

In the UK of course, DVDs are way more expensive than in the US, so most serious collectors here have a lot of R1 discs. I buy about 40% of all mine from the US - one of the benefits of a region-free player. I'm doing the same with HD-DVD and also with BD in those instances where the BD discs are region-free too (about half of them seem to be). A typical BD new release here is about $40 and they seem to be holding at that price for ever after. Similarly, the 983H is pushing $600 here!

Just to go back on topic, I am STILL in total awe of the 983H's performance. I have played at least 20 DVDs in it since I got it almost 2 weeks ago and every one has been amazing. My girlfriend is fed up with hearing me say "I can't believe this picture quality - I just can't believe it" But the reality is I can't! Film-like, smooth, punchy colours and contrast, no artefacts of any kind that I can see... all my SD DVDs are like it's the first time I've seen them. I do hope they sort this dropout problem some people are getting.
post #1682 of 5594
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

It's hard to find out from the specs; PAL sources are so rare here that US outlets don't even mention 50hz in the manuals. But I think it has actually become common in modern flat panels; it's a world market after all. My Westinghouse supports both NTSC-60 and PAL-50.

Sony and Sharp LCDs still do not support 50Hz. Many Panasonic and Pioneer plasmas will also not support 50Hz. It is completely up to the manufacturer to support different synchronization rates.
post #1683 of 5594
Some additional comments about my 983/Onkyo 705 combo:

- 1080p seems to work with minimal dropouts when (a) I direct the audio to go to my receiver via coax and (b) colorspace is set to YCbCr.

- Watched several Netflix and custom burned DVD5's this weekend and experienced only one dropout. I moved the colorspace from RGB PC --> YCbCr -- replayed the DVD from the point where the dropout occurred, and the dropout disappeared. The DVD played fine.

I, too, am wondering if it's some sort of bandwidth overload when using the HDMI for both audio and video. It's probably not -- it's probably far more technical -- but rerouting the audio off the HDMI seems to help. And changing the colorspace helps, too.

Who knows. But I'm happy to be able to watch DVDs and not worry about the technical stuff. Once I'm using the Oppo to actually watch DVDs -- and not worry about the dropouts -- I'm completely pleased. It's a great piece of equipment. I watched Criterion's 'Death of Cyclist,' 'Blast of Silence,' and 'Vagabond' this weekend -- and wow. The picture (even for these not-new movies) is superb on my Samsung 46" LCD. I know this is because of Criterion's own mastering process, too -- but when everything is working, the Oppo allows these flicks to really shine.
post #1684 of 5594
it looks like my problems with the 983 are comming to an end

Henry at CRT has tested my unit on one of his screens and experienced audio and visual problems straight away, he got a new HDMI/Processor board from Oppo and has fitted it, since then there has been no problems after testing several disks.

Let's hope there are just afew faulty players out there (which is normal with any piece of consumer electronics)and it is not a general problem with the player, as soon as I get it back I'll test it on my screens and hopefully I can just start to enjoy the stunning picture and audio from this top player
post #1685 of 5594
Great news vipers

I still can't decide on what player to buy. I don't own a large screen (only a 32", 720p/1080i), I don't have a lot of DVD's, reading comments about the player, it doesn't seem to be the right fit for me. Also it's kinda pricey @ close to $600. I probably won't go blu yet, I want to buy a new TV before doing that. I might go with the 980 or 981 as they seem to be doing a pretty decent job of upscaling DVD's aswell.
post #1686 of 5594
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Originally Posted by vipers View Post

it looks like my problems with the 983 are comming to an end

Henry at CRT has tested my unit on one of his screens and experienced audio and visual problems straight away, he got a new HDMI/Processor board from Oppo and has fitted it, since then there has been no problems after testing several disks.

Let's hope there are just afew faulty players out there (which is normal with any piece of consumer electronics)and it is not a general problem with the player, as soon as I get it back I'll test it on my screens and hopefully I can just start to enjoy the stunning picture and audio from this top player

That is brilliant news. You will be totally, utterly, 110% happy with your 983 once you get it back.

Keith
post #1687 of 5594
[quote=Kal Rubinson;13739610]Because that preference was based solely on the 980/Integra combination. I can anticipate the liklihood of another preference if the 980 was feeding a different processor.[/QUOTE As an audiophile first I am considering switching from my current Lexicon MC12B to the new Denon prepro (I am weighing the pro's and con's - I would be giving up Logic 7,great room e.q. the best interface in the business and a very high quality analog section for Denon's use of HDMI 1.3 and it's inherent advantages of the New HiRes codecs for BluRay movies and SACD/DVD AUDIO playback through HDMI). My question is would SACD/DVD AUDIO playback sound better in my current system of sending the 5.1 channels from my Sony XA777es to my Lex via analog output (and not having bass management,etc.) or through the Denon Prepro using the HDMI connection and the Oppo 980 as a transport sending the native dsd signal... As an aside I wish Stereophile would spend more space
on articles like these then the countless speaker reviews we get every issue. I have been a subscriber for well over 20 years and would really love to see alot more space in the magazine discussing these types of real world issues.
post #1688 of 5594
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

Is the replacing of the HDMI board noted above something that needed to be done and the next wave of 983's will have an updated hdmi board?

The HDMI problem is still being investigated. No answer for you yet.

-Bill
post #1689 of 5594
Thread Starter 
If the fixed board removes the issue, then all future units will have the appropriate board installed. For all current units, it would mean replacing the boards for those who have issues (limited number of individuals).

So if you are interested in the DV-983H, then this means that when you are actually able to order them again, you should not have to worry at all about the reported problems.
post #1690 of 5594
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

I am one of those who is just now considering the OPPO product line. Seems that the price of a blue ray player that will also be an outstanding dvd player is going to be way higher than having 2 players, blue ray+sd-dvd.

But just as I start moving toward OPPO I'm reading about the 983's "issues". I know OPPO is a great company for customer support, not dissing them. Just wondering if with the 983 OPPO got ahead of themselves. Is the replacing of the HDMI board noted above something that needed to be done and the next wave of 983's will have an updated hdmi board?

I suppose it's human nature to focus on negative rather than positive reports. But, go back a page and read snthaoeu's user report. Better still, here's the link http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post13743469. Neuromancer states that the issues that are being reported are not of epidemic nature and he's as close to the Mother Ship as one can get.

Dana
post #1691 of 5594
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Originally Posted by guapote View Post

As an audiophile first I am considering switching from my current Lexicon MC12B to the new Denon prepro (I am weighing the pro's and con's - I would be giving up Logic 7,great room e.q. the best interface in the business and a very high quality analog section for Denon's use of HDMI 1.3 and it's inherent advantages of the New HiRes codecs for BluRay movies and SACD/DVD AUDIO playback through HDMI). My question is would SACD/DVD AUDIO playback sound better in my current system of sending the 5.1 channels from my Sony XA777es to my Lex via analog output (and not having bass management,etc.) or through the Denon Prepro using the HDMI connection and the Oppo 980 as a transport sending the native dsd signal...

Dunno. Too many components that I do not know and, in addition, combinations of them. My guess is that the Audyssey in the Denon will be sufficient compensation for the Lexicon EQ and that the digital feed from the 980, via Denon's EQ/BM will be superior. Just a biased guess.

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As an aside I wish Stereophile would spend more space
on articles like these then the countless speaker reviews we get every issue. I have been a subscriber for well over 20 years and would really love to see alot more space in the magazine discussing these types of real world issues.

Tell JA. Reader preferences are of concern to him.
post #1692 of 5594
Can i just make sure i understand this: drop out issues.
Is the audio drop out> HDMI 1.3 or 1.2?? is it happening with Coaxial/tonk ? or is also happening with 6 analog Mch?
Video: HDMI >direct to TV/PJ or is it via AVR>TV/PJ. I have one of the very first units[received it on the next day after release]. No drop out either A or V. [HDMI>plasma w/SPdif. and 6cable analog for music.]
post #1693 of 5594
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Originally Posted by DAB View Post

Can i just make sure i understand this: drop out issues.
Is the audio drop out> HDMI 1.3 or 1.2?? is it happening with Coaxial/tonk ? or is also happening with 6 analog Mch?
Video: HDMI >direct to TV/PJ or is it via AVR>TV/PJ. I have one of the very first units[received it on the next day after release]. No drop out either A or V. [HDMI>plasma w/SPdif. and 6cable analog for music.]

HDMI only, 1080p only.

You have HDMI versions on your player? I've never seen that.

-Bill
post #1694 of 5594
FYI, I received an email from OPPO in Europe informing me that the DV-983H is now available for pre-order. The price is 388 Euros. I emailed them back to clarify a couple of things (why the high price, what is different about the European model, how much is p&p, do we pay in advance??) and got the following reply

Thanks for your interest in OPPO DV-983H.

As we have limited stock of European version, we choose an early pay method.

Importing from US will include 63 USD + import duty + VAT. So the cost will be same or more.

The european version will follow EU regulation..for example heavy metal content. Also we will focus a bit extra on PAL media (even though NTSC will play fine).

The transport cost is 15 Euro, to all Euro countries.


I hope this is of use to somebody but I think I'll wait a while myself. Really, only because I don't have a display that will do the player justice and can't justify that price for something I can't test properly or get the best out of.

BTW and in case you were wondering, the price works out at a little over $630! And you thought you were paying a premium,...
post #1695 of 5594
I have had my 983 for a little over two weeks now. It is connected via HDMI straight to my Pioneer 508XDA, sound via optical. From the time I recieved it I had it set to 720p as that's my display's native res ( 1366 x 768 ). This last weekend was a long one here in Australia so I set it to 1080p and ran alot of PAL movies with a few R1 NTSC's thrown in. Just as it had for the previous two weeks it ran perfectly all weekend. Until last night.
Turned the unit on, all lights and front panel display lit up but no picture. I could see that the Pioneer wasn't recieving any signal at all but could hear the dvd's menu sound. Turning it on or off ( via remote or front panel ), changing disc's, or playing with the HDMI connection made no difference at all. I unplugged the IEC lead for a couple of minutes and it was good for the rest of the night. Has any one else seen anything like this?
Outside of this problem I love my 983, superb PQ. Terrible remote that some buttons don't work on but all in all a great player!
post #1696 of 5594
Thread Starter 
Ensure that your output resolution has not been changed. Press Eject then the HDMI button. What does the front panel of the DV-983H read?

You can also connect an analog video cable (I would recommend connecting from the Y (green) output of the component to a regular composite input on your display. The picture will be Black and White, but you should be able to see what is happening on screen.
post #1697 of 5594
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Originally Posted by Warwick5 View Post

Terrible remote that some buttons don't work on but all in all a great player!

Huh? Which buttons don't work? Mine all work fine.

Gary
post #1698 of 5594
I dont have the remote in front of me at the moment ( at work ) but it was buttons at the top of the remote. Some were intermittant and the DVD/USB button never worked. I use a universal remote so that solved the intermittant problem but not the DVD/USB button as I couldnt ever get it to send a signal to the universal.

Rod
post #1699 of 5594
Neuromancer,

Thanks for the reply but after I unplugged the IEC cable for awhile this solved the problem and it hasn't reoccurred so I cannot tell you what the panel read.

I was just wondering if anyone else had had this happen.

Rod
post #1700 of 5594
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Originally Posted by vipers View Post

it looks like my problems with the 983 are comming to an end

That's good news (Don't let it put anyone else off!). I've had an email from CRT in the UK already explaining the situation (There's 3 affected players in the UK apparently). Fingers crossed.


I watched the R2 "The Invasion" yesterday. No dropouts at all throughout the whole film, but I had to pause it for maybe 10 minutes in the middle. During that time I had 3-4 dropouts whilst it was paused.

Afterwards I watched one of the extras which was in a diffferent aspect ratio (black bars top, bottom, left and right). I was experimenting with the zoom and strangely, I had dropouts every few seconds on the 2.0 zoom but no noticable ones on any other setting. I went back to the film and tried the 2.0 zoom and it was fine. I went back to the extra and again it would dropout on the 2.0 zoom but not on a different setting.
post #1701 of 5594
Can report no drop outs but I connect video through hdmi (set at 720p) and audio through coax. I guess these drop outs can't affect me?!
I am not clear about the DVD-Audio Mode - which option do I use when I mainly watch DVD movies (DVD-Audio or DVD-Video)?
Had to send back remote because of one button not working.
post #1702 of 5594
The problem is, what happens to those who can't try theirs at 1080p, because they don't have a 1080p capable display? When they eventually upgrade to a 1080p display, what happens if they then experience these dropouts? By then, their player may be out of warranty.
post #1703 of 5594
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Originally Posted by zeropoint View Post

The problem is, what happens to those who can't try theirs at 1080p, because they don't have a 1080p capable display? When they eventually upgrade to a 1080p display, what happens if they then experience these dropouts? By then, their player may be out of warranty.

good point - I agree
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[quote=guapote;13747779]
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Because that preference was based solely on the 980/Integra combination. I can anticipate the liklihood of another preference if the 980 was feeding a different processor.[/QUOTE As an audiophile first I am considering switching from my current Lexicon MC12B to the new Denon prepro (I am weighing the pro's and con's - I would be giving up Logic 7,great room e.q. the best interface in the business and a very high quality analog section for Denon's use of HDMI 1.3 and it's inherent advantages of the New HiRes codecs for BluRay movies and SACD/DVD AUDIO playback through HDMI). My question is would SACD/DVD AUDIO playback sound better in my current system of sending the 5.1 channels from my Sony XA777es to my Lex via analog output (and not having bass management,etc.) or through the Denon Prepro using the HDMI connection and the Oppo 980 as a transport sending the native dsd signal... As an aside I wish Stereophile would spend more space
on articles like these then the countless speaker reviews we get every issue. I have been a subscriber for well over 20 years and would really love to see alot more space in the magazine discussing these types of real world issues.

For a few more opinions on this:

http://www.smr-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=736

Opinions are mixed.
post #1705 of 5594
I too have noticed the button on the remote don't work at times. Sometimes it takes a second or third time for the unit to respond. This has been the case with the Enter button (or whatever it's called - don't have it in front of me) and even the play button.
post #1706 of 5594
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Originally Posted by zeropoint View Post

The problem is, what happens to those who can't try theirs at 1080p, because they don't have a 1080p capable display? When they eventually upgrade to a 1080p display, what happens if they then experience these dropouts? By then, their player may be out of warranty.

This is exactly what caused me to pass on the last batch of players even though I signed up for e-mail notification. I guess the best bet is to wait until things seem to be completely worked out, and it does not seem that they are right now. With Oppo's great customer support, it wouldn't hurt to ask them about extending the warranty just for the dropout issue at 1080p.
post #1707 of 5594
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Originally Posted by GSB View Post

Sound over optical should be the same - the RAW audio stream is passed directly from the disk to the receiver.

The Denon 2900 is an excellent player, but it is certainly not perfect. It scores 90% on the SECRETS DVD Benchmark, with an MSRP of $1000. The DV-983H scores 100% for a fraction of the price. Here's what they said about the Denon:

Gary


That's all fine and in good 'if' all you do is watch movies. From an analog (PCM) standpoint the 2900 offers much better CD/SACD/DVDA playback, IMO.
post #1708 of 5594
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Originally Posted by zeropoint View Post

The problem is, what happens to those who can't try theirs at 1080p, because they don't have a 1080p capable display? When they eventually upgrade to a 1080p display, what happens if they then experience these dropouts? By then, their player may be out of warranty.

I don't know, but I would assume Oppo would replace -- or repair -- the unit once it's out of warranty for a nominal (minimal, I assume) fee. I can't imagine Oppo abandoning owners even long after the warranty expires -- especially with hardware issues in the actual player that have little to do with the age of the player or the insane "30 day warranty" that everybody goes on about.

*shrug*

(But yes -- a good question. Has anyone dealt with Oppo for out-of-warranty repairs/replacements?)
post #1709 of 5594
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Originally Posted by sponji View Post

FYI, I received an email from OPPO in Europe informing me that the DV-983H is now available for pre-order. The price is 388 Euros. I emailed them back to clarify a couple of things (why the high price, what is different about the European model, how much is p&p, do we pay in advance??) and got the following reply

Thanks for your interest in OPPO DV-983H.

As we have limited stock of European version, we choose an early pay method.

Importing from US will include 63 USD + import duty + VAT. So the cost will be same or more.

The european version will follow EU regulation..for example heavy metal content. Also we will focus a bit extra on PAL media (even though NTSC will play fine).

The transport cost is 15 Euro, to all Euro countries.


I hope this is of use to somebody but I think I'll wait a while myself. Really, only because I don't have a display that will do the player justice and can't justify that price for something I can't test properly or get the best out of.

BTW and in case you were wondering, the price works out at a little over $630! And you thought you were paying a premium,...

Yeah, I noticed that OPPO (SWEDEN) are taking pre-orders, and shipping will begin in 3 to 4 weeks time.

The EURO price seem extremely high. Wouldn´t it be cheaper just to order it through OPPO (US) instead? Naturally, one has to take local VAT into account.

QUESTION:

Will the the new shipment of players (in three to four weeks time) be absolutely problem free?

I hate to ship it back for repair.

PS.

I own a Panasonic PX70 ''37 (intend to upgrade to Panasonic PZ80 ''42)
Pioneer VSX-1011 A/V Receiver
post #1710 of 5594
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

I too have noticed the button on the remote don't work at times. Sometimes it takes a second or third time for the unit to respond. This has been the case with the Enter button (or whatever it's called - don't have it in front of me) and even the play button.

Well, guys, report it to OPPO immediately. They'll send you a new remote, and they need to log the defect to make sure the assembly process gets fixed. It may be flux or some other contaminant on the board, preventing solid button contact. I have used at least 11 of OPPO's players (all models) and maybe 14 remotes without ever having such an issue, so its not the design.

Gary
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