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post #31 of 5594
Quote:
Originally Posted by almostinsane View Post

I know, it was a joke. I'm waiting like the rest of us.

You didn't get it when I said head down to Walmart?

Well, you said it twice and I still don't get the WM referance.
post #32 of 5594
Oppo DV-983H users manual version 1.0

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/image...ion-manual.pdf

Oppo Digital DV-983H DVD Player - The Rest of the Story
includes some images now.
post #33 of 5594
Availability: Sold Out. Check back in early April. ..........YIKES
post #34 of 5594
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Originally Posted by cburbs View Post

Availability: Sold Out. Check back in early April. ..........YIKES

Those who waited will have to wait even longer now. I wonder how much they will end up costing on ebay Im glad I did not hesitate.
post #35 of 5594
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Originally Posted by sstiles4 View Post

Those who waited will have to wait even longer now. I wonder how much they will end up costing on ebay Im glad I did not hesitate.

$699 BuyItNow... choose BIN and get free 3day shipping.
(not really, just kidding )
post #36 of 5594
OPPO Digital has posted a commentary and chart comparing the features of the 983, the 981 and the 980 models here http://www.oppodigital.com/dv983h/dv983h_comp.asp

Dana
post #37 of 5594
The NDA was lifted this morning, so here is a summary of my beta test notes.

My display is a Westinghouse LVM-37w3. I did no audio testing. I tested media
files using the downloadable disc from divxtest.com.

OVERALL

The 983 video image is sharp like the 980 but retains the film-like appearance
of the 981. The 981 appears soft by comparison.

PAL playback is as good as the 981, better than the 980.

The only deinterlacing errors I recall on the 981 were in certain scenes of
Japanese animation in the fine color detail; these are much improved with the
983.

Some useful ZOOM modes have been added (HDMI only): fullscreen for no black
bars, full-width for 4:3 letterboxed, underscan for displays that overscan,
and stretch for Constant Image Height users. Zoom levels on component are the
same as on the 980.

Previous Oppo models used a Sanyo Optical Pickup Unit; the 983 uses Sony. This
adds support for DVD-R DL.

Deinterlacing chip: http://www.anchorbaytech.com/product...ors/abt102.php
Scaling chip: http://www.anchorbaytech.com/product...rs/abt1010.php

The ABT chips are not used for component output. The Mediatek chip should
give performance equivalent to the 980 for component.

Setting to region-free is the same as for the other Oppo players.

FEATURES

USB capability seems to be the same as the 980, but the port has been moved to
the rear.

Y/C Delay is adjustable (HDMI only): -3 to +3. "0" seems correct for me. This
is a cool adjustment: you can see the bars on the calibration disc slide back
and forth.

A Border control allows the black bars to be set to gray levels between
black and white; values are 0 to 16. Useful for plasma owners trying to
prevent burn-in.

An optional CUE filter corrects Chromas Upsampling Error (CUE) and
Interlaced Chroma Problem (ICP). Values are: On/Off/Auto. I leave it on
Auto. See:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...ug-4-2001.html

Deinterlacing mode is selectable: Auto/Film Bias Mode/Video Mode/2:2 Even/2:2
Odd. I leave it on Auto. From Oppo:

Quote:
For extremely difficult contents such as certain animation or certain
mixed film-video material, one of the forced de-interlacing modes should
be used.

A Video 1/Video 2 selection is said to matter only for PAL<->NTSC conversion. I
was told:

Quote:
Video 1 uses the Mediatek decoder chip to perform NTSC/PAL conversion.
This will work for analog outputs but picture quality is not the best.

Video 2 uses the ABT chip to perform NTSC/PAL conversion. This produces
the best conversion quality but analog outputs are not converted.

The Color Space selections are: Auto/YCbCr 4:4:4/RGB Video Level/RGB PC
Level. I use YCbCr 4:4:4.

Zoom modes. Here is a summary of how the zoom modes appear to work:

Code:
    (1) 16:9 titles.

    Wide and Wide/Auto work the same.

    1:1 - normal aspect
    stretch - vertical stretch for Constant Image Height users
    full screen - normal aspect, 12% zoom
    underscan - normal aspect, 5% reduction to accomodate displays with overscan
    1.2 - normal aspect, 10% zoom
    1.3 - normal aspect, 12% zoom
    1.5 - normal aspect, over 15% zoom
    2.0 - normal aspect, even bigger

    (2) 4:3 titles, setup Wide/Auto

    1:1 - normal aspect
    stretch - horizontal stretch to full width
    full screen - normal aspect, with zoom (good for 4:3 letterbox!)
    underscan, etc - as above

    (3) 4:3 titles, setup Wide

    1:1 - horizontal stretch to full width
    pillarbox - normal aspect
    full screen - normal aspect, with zoom (good for 4:3 letterbox!)
    underscan, etc - as above
Note from the above: there are Zoom modes which will cause 4:3 letterboxed
titles to be displayed at full width.

For people who hate black bars there are full screen modes (with the correct
aspect ratio, overscannning the edges) for both 4:3 and 16:9 "scope" titles.

Those with displays that overscan may like the underscan setting.

I am not a Constant Image Height user, so I didn't test the Stretch zoom
setting. It is suitable only for anamorphically encoded titles. A subtitle
positioning control was added during beta but removed because it was not
working correctly. Oppo says they continue to work on it.

The screen saver no longer displays a moving logo, it simply shuts off the
video signal. On my display, lack of signal puts the panel into a standby
mode. This is energy efficient, but I have to wake it up manually with the
display remote, by using the display "Info" function, for example. Since
burn-in is not a problem on my LCD, I have turned the screen saver off (and
am careful not to waste electricity).

Media file support is about the same as on the 980 and 981, but some WMV9 and
.MP4 files now show in the browser and will play. "WMA9 pro 5.1" audio is not
supported.

I did not test it, but DVD-R DL is supposed to be supported now.

NON-FEATURES

As expected, no HD video formats.

No 480i/576i over HDMI. This is not big drawback because if you want 480i/576i
over HDMI there is no reason to pay for ABT deinterlacing and scaling; get the
980 for $169. Although on the ABT web pages it says 480i/576i pass-through is
supported, the Mediatek decoder does not provide the right type of
signal. From Oppo:

Quote:
Due to the insertion of the ABT video processor chip, 480i/576i over HDMI
is not possible on the DV-983H. 480i/576i over HDMI requires pixel
repetition and double clocking. This is not possible because the output
from the decoder chip is not pixel repeated.

The issue is that the Mediatek decoder does not supply the signal that the
Silicon Image HDMI transmitter chip requires. ABT102 requires raw
480i/576i to do proper de-interlacing, while SiI9030 requires
double-clocked 480i/576i to put it over the HDMI cable.

No custom output resolutions now, maybe later. From Oppo:

Quote:
The ABT1018 scaler has some potential to support custom resolutions. A
major limitation is that the video timing clock must be derived from the
input video clock using a PLL, which has a limited range. Due to the
variation of custom resolution timing in different display devices, we
will not officially offer custom resolution support. The DV-983H will
initially offer no custom resolution support. After we get the standard
features released, we will work with ABT to develop output timing for a
limited set of custom resolutions. Some custom resolutions may not be
support due to the PLL cannot generate the required clock. The DVDO
VP30/50 series video processor uses an external clock synthesizer chip to
generate clock for custom resolutions. The external clock synthesizer
solution is too expensive to put into the DV-983H. It is also too
difficult to set up for non-expert users.

No 1080p 24hz. I was told:

Quote:
The ABT1018 scaler and frame rate converter in the 983H is capable of
generating the 1080p24Hz timing and converting 50Hz or 60Hz input to 24Hz.
However the frame rate conversion is not locked to the original cadence of
the program. This is due to the ABT1018 scaler/frame rate converter is a
separate chip from the ABT102 de-interlacer, and there is no cadence
information passed between the two chips. As a result, the 1080p 24Hz
output will have judder. This defeats the purpose of having a 24Hz output
for film-based material. We decided not to offer 1080p 24Hz output on the
983H.

No DSD on HDMI. This affects only SACD. I was told:

Quote:
Due to the insertion of the ABT video processor chipset in the signal
path, the DV-983H cannot output DSD in its native format via HDMI. This
is because adding the video processor chipset requires an external HDMI
transmitter, but the decoder chip does not have native DSD output to feed
into an external HDMI transmitter. The DV-980H uses the HDMI transmitter
built into the decoder chip, and can get DSD data internally.

ISSUES

Component is limited to 480i when the HDMI cable is connected. When HDMI is
not connected, component can be set to 480i and 480p. For non-CSS discs,
component can also be set to 720p, 1080i, 1080p.

A new setting PRIMARY OUTPUT must be set to "component" before output
resolution can be changed for component.

Like the other Oppo players, the browser does not display mp3 ID3v2 tags.

During the beta test, the player sometimes seemed confused about its correct
aspect ratio and zoom setting. Toggling the "Info" button corrected this. It
seemed to me this could happen when (1) playing a combination of 4:3 and 16:9
titles, (2) switching between "Wide" and "Wide/Auto", (3) cycling through the
Zoom settings.

I have some 16:9 titles which the 983 detects as 4:3. I have to set the aspect
control to Wide rather than Wide/Auto to get these to play correctly. The 981
also reports the discs as 4:3, but plays them as 16:9. Oppo has forwarded this
info to Mediatek. [UPDATE] This was fixed in firmware DV983H-06-0406
released on April 7 2008.

Currently, PAL titles on component at 1080p are not displayed correctly. They
are horizontally compressed leaving a large black bar on the right. Setting
the display type to NTSC and using VIDEO 1 allows these to be played. The 980
is said to have the same problem. Oppo says they will work on it.

-Bill
post #38 of 5594
Now that "shipping day" is here for the 983H and the NDA is lifted, I've posted my 983H beta tester review for those who are interested. There are some pics of the player's internals, but they are of the beta sample - I'll update with pics of production hardware when I am able.

I'm also tinkering with an article summarizing my experiences with the 983H, 981HD, and 980H, since I've used all three as my primary player at various times. I'll try to get that into a presentable form by the end of this week.
post #39 of 5594
Bill/Gonk, thanks for posting your reviews!

Reviews from the beta-testers will be very valuable in helping those of us on the fence about purchasing - especially any bugs that might not yet be fixed in the initial production runs.
post #40 of 5594
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Originally Posted by rmb1035 View Post

Gonk, I also look forward to seeing your thoughts on the player.

Just follow this link for my 983H comments. I'll post a link to my comparison bit in this thread later this week...
post #41 of 5594
Gonk,

I see in your review (excellent review by the way) you have the A2. I have been using the A2 for SD playback with my Panasonic TH-50PH9. How would you say the A2 compares to the 983?

Thanks, Bill
post #42 of 5594
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I see in your review (excellent review by the way) you have the A2. I have been using the A2 for SD playback with my Panasonic TH-50PH9. How would you say the A2 compares to the 983?

I have used the A2 for DVD's only intermittently. The player's start-up and disc loading speed (or lack thereof) was enough to get tiring quickly, and since the video performance of the A2 seemed very comparable to the 980H that I was using when I first got the A2 I saw no reason to keep putting up with those delays when the 980H did just as good a job without being slow. The 983H is certainly a step up from the A2 on video performance.
post #43 of 5594
Quote:
Originally Posted by rmb1035 View Post

Bill/Gonk, thanks for posting your reviews!

Yes, they were both very good. Thanks your time putting them together.
post #44 of 5594
I'd like to hear more comparisons with film-based DVDs with the 980 vs 983 on a 60" display. What are the differences and to what degree?
post #45 of 5594
Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

The 983 video image is sharp like the 980 but retains the film-like appearance
of the 983. The 981 appears soft by comparison.

Bill, are you saying the 980 retains the film-like appearance of the 983? Just making sure that's what you meant.
post #46 of 5594
Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Bill, are you saying the 980 retains the film-like appearance of the 983? Just making sure that's what you meant.

No, that was a typo. Thanks for catching it; I've fixed it.

I meant that the 983 is sharp like the 980 but retains the film-like image of the 981. The best of both worlds.

-Bill
post #47 of 5594
I have a favor to ask of all you fortunate 983 users. I will be using the 980 or 983 for SD-DVD's and for SACD and DVD-Audio playback. I see one of the major differences between the two is the 980 will pass DSD over HDMI whereas the 983 will convert to PCM over HDMI. If I recall Kal from Stereophile said he preferred the PCM to the DSD through HDMI to the Integra 9.8. When those who have/will be getting the 983 and have used the 980 are able, can you describe the sound quality differences in SACD's between the 980 using DSD and the 983 with the conversion. If the quality is only slightly better with DSD in the 980 then the 983 might be worth it for the video alone. Thanks for answering questions for those who have to wait.
post #48 of 5594
Quote:
Originally Posted by gonk View Post

Just follow this link for my 983H comments. I'll post a link to my comparison bit in this thread later this week...

Really an outstanding review, Gonk. I was a big fan of your review of the 981 but I think you outdid yourself with your review of the 983. Instructional as well as informative. You put it through its paces with an impressive list of home theater peripherals - including a "vintage" Zenith C32V37 32" 4:3 HDTV! At the very least, it provides a common video reference point for comparison purposes.

Many thanks.

Dana
post #49 of 5594
>>The ABT1018 scaler has some potential to support custom resolutions. A
major limitation is that the video timing clock must be derived from the
input video clock using a PLL, which has a limited range. Due to the
variation of custom resolution timing in different display devices, we
will not officially offer custom resolution support. The DV-983H will
initially offer no custom resolution support. After we get the standard
features released, we will work with ABT to develop output timing for a
limited set of custom resolutions. Some custom resolutions may not be
support due to the PLL cannot generate the required clock. The DVDO
VP30/50 series video processor uses an external clock synthesizer chip to
generate clock for custom resolutions. The external clock synthesizer
solution is too expensive to put into the DV-983H. It is also too
difficult to set up for non-expert users.<<

Time to lobby Oppo to include timings for our specific displays!!!

Let me be first:

Dear Oppo - it would be GREAT if a 1366x768 custom resolution was made available with timings for Panasonic TH-50PHD8UK!!!

Thanks in advance.
post #50 of 5594
I believe that is high on the to do list wojtech. 1366x768 would be the most common outside of 480/480/720/1080/1080. Send your requests/suggestions/observations regarding the 983 directly to Oppo though too. The best way for them to really gauge demand for anything regarding their product, it to hear it straight from their customers.
post #51 of 5594
Thread Starter 
Updated the front page. Included Gonk's Review, Bill McClain's Beta writeup, and the "Top 4" things the DV-983H will not perform.
post #52 of 5594
It's a universal player, so is it automatically region free? Or do I have to do something to make it play all regions?
post #53 of 5594
Thread Starter 
Make it region free:

Setup.
9210.
0.
Setup to Exit.
post #54 of 5594
Does Oppo send tracking numbers when they ship? My status still shows:

Est Ship Date: 3/10/2008
post #55 of 5594
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

I believe that is high on the to do list wojtech. 1366x768 would be the most common outside of 480/480/720/1080/1080.

In all of cases I have seen, those 1366 x 768 panel's EDID indicates that the Native Resolution is actually 1280 x 720. It pays to check the actual native resolution rather than the advertised one before worrying about matching the output resolution. There possibly are actual 1366 x 768 panels, but I dont think they are as common as we think.
post #56 of 5594
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scsiraid View Post

Does Oppo send tracking numbers when they ship? My status still shows:

Est Ship Date: 3/10/2008

If it shipped, you will receive a FedEx tracking number. If it did not ship, then you will not receive a tracking number, or when you check the Order Status, there will be no tracking number under the Status field.
post #57 of 5594
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

If it shipped, you will receive a FedEx tracking number. If it did not ship, then you will not receive a tracking number, or when you check the Order Status, there will be no tracking number under the Status field.

What was OPPO Digital's final decision regarding shipping priorities, if you know? Expedited shipping vs. date/time of order placement.

Also, thanks for updating the first page of this thread aka Brain Dump. Now to get everyone to look there for basic answers before posting the questions here.

Dana
post #58 of 5594
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

I believe that is high on the to do list wojtech. 1366x768 would be the most common outside of 480/480/720/1080/1080. Send your requests/suggestions/observations regarding the 983 directly to Oppo though too. The best way for them to really gauge demand for anything regarding their product, it to hear it straight from their customers.

I will, Smarty-pants.

Thanks.
post #59 of 5594
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by drbonbi View Post

What was OPPO Digital's final decision regarding shipping priorities, if you know? Expedited shipping vs. date/time of order placement.

Last thing I heard was first in, first out. No priority based off of shipping preference. Incidentally, I believe this also includes Local Pickups.
post #60 of 5594
What 16x9 dvds were displayed incorrectly as 4x3?
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