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post #3391 of 5594
7/31/08 at 2:23am
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

In order to play video with a higher bitrate from a DVD, the player must be able to spin the disc faster than 1x and buffer the video. That is not part of the DVD-Video standard. Some players will do it, many will not.

OK, now I'm with you.

Gary
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post #3392 of 5594
7/31/08 at 9:27am
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Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital View Post

I have a Pioneer MPEG-4/DVD player, which is fitted with the same MediaTek MT1389xx chip-set. It can detect the correct level of aspect ratio signalling embedded within the MPEG-4 video stream and display the image accordingly.... So it can be done!

And I noted this already. The DV-980H uses the same MTK solution found in the DV-983H. The issue becomes is appropriately enabling and disabling the MTK solution for AR controls. It is this appropriate implementation that is causing OPPO issues.
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post #3393 of 5594
7/31/08 at 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

The issue becomes is appropriately enabling and disabling the MTK solution for AR controls.

From what I understand about MTK's chip-set, the aspect ratio signalling detection firmware is coded in-conjunction with the players GUI options.
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post #3394 of 5594
7/31/08 at 1:08pm
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You are missing the point. The player has been designed to use the ABT for all aspect ratio controls. For this reason, the analog outputs have no proper AR controls associated to them. If OPPO were to enable the MTK solution for AR controls all the time, you will lose resolution when using the pillarbox function.

At this time, there is no intelligent way to enable AR controls for Analog only setups, while honoring the ABT solution for digital only displays. So OPPO has weighted AR for digital (the primary output) only.

It is not a GUI issue. It is completely an issue on getting the DVD player working properly for both analog and digital outputs.
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post #3395 of 5594
7/31/08 at 1:37pm
I bought a Philips DVP5982 because it supports Divx and it has USB but after using it for the first time yesterday I wasn't very impressed with the divx playback via USB. I guess you get what you pay for? I was trying to watch some divx tv shows that I copied to a PNY 4GB flash drive and it was very choppy and the audio was way out of sync. It played just fine on my PC.

I'm considering buying the Oppo 981 or 983. I found the 981 on Amazon for about 230, but can't find the 983 for sale anywhere. Not even sure how much it's going for. Any help on this issue would be greatly appreciated.
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post #3396 of 5594
7/31/08 at 1:44pm
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Right now you can pretty much order from OPPO Digital direct, or some resellers like ProjectorPeople.com. Amazon.com does not carry the product.
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post #3397 of 5594
7/31/08 at 1:46pm
The 983 can only be purchased direct from Oppo right now.
http://www.oppodigital.com/dv983h/

Amazon is one of the few select places that is authorized to sell Oppo's other products.
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post #3398 of 5594
8/1/08 at 5:33am
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Originally Posted by Aqxea View Post

I bought a Philips DVP5982 because it supports Divx and it has USB but after using it for the first time yesterday I wasn't very impressed with the divx playback via USB. I guess you get what you pay for? I was trying to watch some divx tv shows that I copied to a PNY 4GB flash drive and it was very choppy and the audio was way out of sync. It played just fine on my PC.

I also have a 5982 that I use for Divx/Xvid/mp4/etc. playback, and like you, I am not impressed with it. Even from a burned DVD, you can see some choppiness in the video, though not nearly as bad as over USB. The reason I still use it over the 983 is that the 983 still has the "blue tint" issue with many of those files -- i.e. the video looks kind of like the Matrix looks except blue instead of green. I understand that Oppo has found and fixed some of the causes of blue tint, but they are not all fixed yet. So, until the firmware is upgraded and these problems go away, I still keep the Philips for video file playback, while the Oppo 983 gets all the regular DVDs. I can also use my hacked AppleTV to play video files, so I'm not in any hurry. It would just be nice to have a player that "does it all."
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post #3399 of 5594
8/1/08 at 7:16pm
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

The 983 can only be purchased direct from Oppo right now.
http://www.oppodigital.com/dv983h/

Amazon is one of the few select places that is authorized to sell Oppo's other products.


$400? Who would pay that much for a dvd player when they could buy a blue ray player AND a gaming system for the same amount?
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post #3400 of 5594
8/1/08 at 7:22pm
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Originally Posted by Aqxea View Post

$400? Who would pay that much for a dvd player when they could buy a blue ray player AND a gaming system for the same amount?

let me guess. not you.
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post #3401 of 5594
8/1/08 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by Aqxea View Post

$400? Who would pay that much for a dvd player when they could buy a blue ray player AND a gaming system for the same amount?

The 983 is ONLY for those sophisticated enough to appreciate what it does .
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post #3402 of 5594
8/1/08 at 7:50pm
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Originally Posted by Aqxea View Post

$400? Who would pay that much for a dvd player when they could buy a blue ray player AND a gaming system for the same amount?

I would and I have a blu-ray player and a gaming system. The whole point is to get the absolute best quality picture out of your existing SD DVD collection. Of course it helps if you have a substantial collection and don't want to replace them with Blu-ray, but would like to have the best possible picture on your HDTV.
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post #3403 of 5594
8/1/08 at 7:50pm
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

The 983 is ONLY for those sophisticated enough to appreciate what it does .

You mean make a well shot and well authored/transfered DVD look almost HD on a good 50" plasma at 10 feet?

John
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post #3404 of 5594
8/1/08 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by pgwalsh View Post

I would and I have a blu-ray player and a gaming system. The whole point is to get the absolute best quality picture out of your existing SD DVD collection. Of course it helps if you have a substantial collection and don't want to replace them with Blu-ray, but would like to have the best possible picture on your HDTV.

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post #3405 of 5594
8/1/08 at 8:12pm
why would some one pose a question like that in a thread dedicated to the 983??
I suspect the inquirer did not readthe entire thread..
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post #3406 of 5594
8/1/08 at 8:21pm
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My Mits. has never looked better
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post #3407 of 5594
8/1/08 at 8:47pm
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Originally Posted by hodges69 View Post

why would some one pose a question like that in a thread dedicated to the 983??
I suspect the inquirer did not readthe entire thread..

Never, ever, feed the trolls!

-Toonces...
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post #3408 of 5594
8/1/08 at 8:53pm
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Originally Posted by hodges69 View Post

why would some one pose a question like that in a thread dedicated to the 983??
I suspect the inquirer did not readthe entire thread..

Hey dude how's it going? Ready for that plasma?

John
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post #3409 of 5594
8/1/08 at 8:55pm
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Originally Posted by Toonces T. Cat View Post

Never, ever, feed the trolls!

-Toonces...

Amen, they have to really get to me to start feeding them. It is the classic old country saying: "never wrestle with a pig, you'll both get dirty and the pig will enjoy it"

John
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post #3410 of 5594
8/1/08 at 9:19pm
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Originally Posted by antennahead View Post

Hey dude how's it going? Ready for that plasma?

John

John..

Does the Pope wear a funny little Red Hat??
Still no bites on the JVC61" I need to sell before I can take delivery on the 150!However,I can put it up for sale (consignment) in a Mom and Pop operation here in winston Salem..Owner is vacationing next week...If I can't sell it, on his return...it's Consignment City and a big,welcome hello to the elite!
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post #3411 of 5594
8/1/08 at 9:31pm
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Originally Posted by hodges69 View Post

John..

Does the Pope wear a funny little Red Hat??
Still no bites on the JVC61" I need to sell before I can take delivery on the 150!However,I can put it up for sale (consignment) in a Mom and Pop operation here in winston Salem..Owner is vacationing next week...If I can't sell it, on his return...it's Consignment City and a big,welcome hello to the elite!

Your JVC, that is the HD-ila? or whatever? The 3 chip thingy that one uped the color wheel Samsung DLPs? If my memory serves me correctly, they had a great picture for their time and were much better than the DLPs (I had a Samsung DLP for two weeks before my first Pio Plasma, I saw rainbows BAD)
I would think you could move the JVC pretty easily.

John
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post #3412 of 5594
8/11/08 at 7:56am
The whole debate about the possibility of the 983H being discontinued soon sort of got wiped away with the database hiccup, but for anyone who was following it and didn't see yesterday's resolution - here's the recap:

One or two dealers made comments late last week indicating that the next production run of 983H's would be the last, and that after they were gone there would be no more. This was not something that anyone had heard about from OPPO Digital, and since Amazon.com had just added the 983H to their site it seemed a bit unlikely. Several folks asked for an official response from OPPO Digital. Since OPPO doesn't have direct representation on the forum, a couple of us sent e-mails to them notifying them of the debate. I sent my e-mail yesterday afternoon, and by the evening I had an answer.

OPPO Digital is not discontinuing the 983H. They have built a very large batch that they suspect may be sufficient for the remaining life of the product, but if sales are strong and they sell out before the 983H is ready for retirement they will build more of them. It appears that a couple dealers misunderstood and thought that they were stopping after this batch no matter what.
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post #3413 of 5594
8/11/08 at 8:02am
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Originally Posted by gonk View Post

The whole debate about the possibility of the 983H being discontinued soon sort of got wiped away with the database hiccup, but for anyone who was following it and didn't see yesterday's resolution - here's the recap:

One or two dealers made comments late last week indicating that the next production run of 983H's would be the last, and that after they were gone there would be no more. This was not something that anyone had heard about from OPPO Digital, and since Amazon.com had just added the 983H to their site it seemed a bit unlikely. Several folks asked for an official response from OPPO Digital. Since OPPO doesn't have direct representation on the forum, a couple of us sent e-mails to them notifying them of the debate. I sent my e-mail yesterday afternoon, and by the evening I had an answer.

OPPO Digital is not discontinuing the 983H. They have built a very large batch that they suspect may be sufficient for the remaining life of the product, but if sales are strong and they sell out before the 983H is ready for retirement they will build more of them. It appears that a couple dealers misunderstood and thought that they were stopping after this batch no matter what.

Thank you, Gonk!

Dana
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post #3414 of 5594
8/11/08 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by gonk View Post

The whole debate about the possibility of the 983H being discontinued soon sort of got wiped away with the database hiccup, but for anyone who was following it and didn't see yesterday's resolution - here's the recap:

One or two dealers made comments late last week indicating that the next production run of 983H's would be the last, and that after they were gone there would be no more. This was not something that anyone had heard about from OPPO Digital, and since Amazon.com had just added the 983H to their site it seemed a bit unlikely. Several folks asked for an official response from OPPO Digital. Since OPPO doesn't have direct representation on the forum, a couple of us sent e-mails to them notifying them of the debate. I sent my e-mail yesterday afternoon, and by the evening I had an answer.

OPPO Digital is not discontinuing the 983H. They have built a very large batch that they suspect may be sufficient for the remaining life of the product, but if sales are strong and they sell out before the 983H is ready for retirement they will build more of them. It appears that a couple dealers misunderstood and thought that they were stopping after this batch no matter what.

Thanks for the feedback. I also just spoke with Oppo and they confirmed what you related here. The person with whom I spoke also added that they would continue to issue firmware updates for the 983H as they're developed.

So much for the panic peddlers...
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post #3415 of 5594
8/11/08 at 8:25am
Got this player a week or so ago, great PQ.

But I have a problem with audio, I'm using the coax digital output which works great.

Grabbed myself some SACD and DVDA discs to see how much better they are, connected the analogue cables to config the 5.1 output, all the channels are fine but I hear no bass.

Moved the audio trim level to max for the subwoofer channel, I can hear some bass from my sub but nothing like when hearing the same audio via digital connection.

What is it I'm doing wrong.

The cable is OK but the subwoofer channel is so low using the analogue.

Ray
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post #3416 of 5594
8/11/08 at 8:25am
Well Sam, your posts were wiped out, but I was working on a reply when the database went down. Here it is...
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

So that means the colors on every DVD upscaled by the Oppo (assuming the were properly authored as Rec.601) are going to be wrong?

Absolutely not!
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

...My old set has proper Rec.709 decoding on the 1080i component inputs, and Rec.609 on the 480p component inputs. You always know what you're getting, and where to send it for the desired results. The way I'm understanding it, going with any upscaling DVD player, my SD-DVDs are now all going to be "wrong" as detailed in the image chart above (lower left quadrant).

No. All TV's must use the Rec.609 colorspace for SD resolutions (480i/480p), and switch to the Rec.709 colorspace for HD resolutions (720p and higher). The TV eventually converts that colorspace to RGB for the display panel.

The color-bar charts demonstrate that you have to MATCH the colorspace of the source device, to the colorspace of the TV. So, if a player outputs 480p, it must send 601 (no conversion from DVD required) and the result can be seen in the top left bars. If the player outputs 720p, it must send 709 (conversion from DVD 601 required), and the result can be seen in the top right bars (color decoding still correct). If the player fails to convert to 709, the resulting mismatch can be seen in the bottom left bars.

If the TV incorrectly uses 601 for HD resolutions, the resulting mismatch can be seen in the bottom right bars.

OPPO players do the conversion correctly.

Gary
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post #3417 of 5594
8/11/08 at 8:27am
Good news.
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post #3418 of 5594
8/11/08 at 8:31am
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Originally Posted by gonk View Post

OPPO Digital is not discontinuing the 983H. They have built a very large batch that they suspect may be sufficient for the remaining life of the product, but if sales are strong and they sell out before the 983H is ready for retirement they will build more of them. It appears that a couple dealers misunderstood and thought that they were stopping after this batch no matter what.

I missed last night's discussion, so thanks for posting this. I recall a dealer claimed Oppo was losing money on the 983. Did they respond to that?

-Bill
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post #3419 of 5594
8/11/08 at 8:41am
Gary,

Good save on my posts, and thanks for the response!

I understand your post, but I guess I am still confused about the subject. I understand that the Oppo sends out Rec.709 at the HD resolutions, and there won't be a problem with my display decoding that resolution using the Rec.709 standards.

The problem I have is with the DVD source material being mastered with a different color space than HD material. For example, Rec.601 yellow is obviously different than Rec.709 yellow. So, somehow, the Oppo must convert the DVD's yellow to Rec.709 yellow, which is a different color. The internal "conversion" of SD to HD colorspace is I think (thought?) lead to all those folks who suffered "green push" and other anomolies with upscaling players.
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post #3420 of 5594
8/11/08 at 8:46am
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

The internal "conversion" of SD to HD colorspace is I think (thought?) lead to all those folks who suffered "green push" and other anomolies with upscaling players.

No, the problem is when you don't convert color standards, or do so improperly. The proper conversion matrix is well-documented.

-Bill
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