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post #1591 of 6754
I just tried http://dtvpal.com/ and got to an order form. They DO take coupons.

Price is $59.99 per DTVPal "receiver". Shipping is $8.95 per receiver.

I haven't tried to actually order from this site (my coupons won't mail until about July 11; might as well wait to see if they show up at a local retail establishment in the meantime).
post #1592 of 6754
The DTVPAL site is working.
Anyone ordering, please post any delivery info.
post #1593 of 6754
Got very excited and ordered:

1 DTVPal Receivers $59.99
1 Govt Coupons $-40.00
SUBTOTAL $19.99

Taxes $5.52
Shipping & Handling $8.95
TOTAL $34.46

Thank you for your DTVPal order. Your unit(s) will be shipped within 7-10 business days and arrive via UPS Ground. If you have questions about your order, please call 1-888-638-9912

The tax on $60 makes it a pretty lame deal, but what else am I going to do, right? Should be a better deal if you can get 2 together.

EDIT: It isn't better to get two. They charge $8.95 shipping PER BOX ($17.90 total), so you're better off buying elsewhere if you're getting 2. The only advantage I see with dtvpal.com is that returns *might* go smoother.
post #1594 of 6754
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Originally Posted by NuovoTech View Post

BTW he said the TR-40 should be available this August & would have most features that the DTVPal does, ie VCR timer, etc. Tho he said the TR-40($40) would have "less internal software"...not sure what he meant, anyone have an idea?

Thanks for news on the TR40! So they are shooting for one month before Wilmington. We can order at dtvpal.com now, but there didn't seem to be a spec of additional information, actually less -- no "newsletter" link.
post #1595 of 6754
The Race is On! "CDC" vs DTVPAL!

cheapdigitalconverters.com ALSO has stock again today.

My cost for TWO DTVPALs via "CDC" after coupons and $9.95 flat rate shipping was $49.93 . No upfront sale tax paid. (Unless you are in CA?)
post #1596 of 6754
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Originally Posted by kingement View Post

I just got my shipped notice for 2 DTVpals from CheapDigitalConverters.com (w/ UPS tracking #).

What's more is that I also got a personal call letting me know it was shipped today. I had called them yesterday after ordering to verify that my order had been processed since they showed 0 in stock immediately after ordering. It was nice of them to call.

The "look" of their web-site may not be perfect, but they provide good customer service.

Oh man. With DTVPAL.COM finally online... I'm getting a bit jumpy. "CDC" hasn't sent me any tracking # or shipping notice, nor have they charged my CC yet. Just need to give it a few more hours... OK OK days... Still a bit mystified how fast "CDC" got to processing the "end of the line" but we haven't heard how the other "298" DTVPALs in the first batch are progressing.

Time to step back a bit.

Dave
post #1597 of 6754
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Originally Posted by LACAGuy View Post

I called and spoke to Rene Solis. He had 2 units left. One was hooked up in his shop in E. Los Angeles, the other was just there on his desk. Since I live in LA, I drove down, picked it up, and hooked it up. $60 ($20 net cost after coupon).

I know there are probably tons of questions you have, so I'll await your replys. In general, its going to take time to get used to using a converter box. The picture is only as good as the antenna and location. I had to fiddle with my antenna, and I will probably get a new one over the weekend.

He told me that he had 10 units from his original shipment earlier in the week. He has another store in Santa Maria, in which he is getting the bulk of his units from tomorrow. Those of you who ordered from him will probably get your units shipped out tomorrow or Friday.

All of the reviews are pretty dead on.


Did he tell you if they will be taking more orders on friday like the website says? Or the orders he took will be taken out of the fridays shipment?
post #1598 of 6754
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Originally Posted by lexus2108 View Post

Did he tell you if they will be taking more orders on friday like the website says? Or the orders he took will be taken out of the fridays shipment?

"CDC" is taking orders for DTVPAL TODAY! (A day earlier then they estimated)

So one hopes all those orders taken/being taken have some "real" product behind them.
post #1599 of 6754
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Originally Posted by NuovoTech View Post

Rene has been very helpfull on the phone as I have a coupon problem which he'll try to fix this Monday. What did you think about his office & operation, were you impressed?

BTW he said the TR-40 should be available this August & would have most features that the DTVPal does, ie VCR timer, etc. Tho he said the TR-40($40) would have "less internal software"...not sure what he meant, anyone have an idea?

I wonder if it means there will NOT be s/w in the TR-40 to convert the digital TVGOS to analog?
If this is the case, I definitely need the DTVPAL in order to keep my LG LST-3410A receiving TVGOS data.
My coupons don't expire until September, but if I see the DTVPAL's show up locally, I won't hesitate to buy

anyhoo
post #1600 of 6754
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Originally Posted by lgodave View Post

"CDC" is taking orders for DTVPAL TODAY! (A day earlier then they estimated)

So one hopes all those orders taken/being taken have some "real" product behind them.

That is a scary thought, Thanks for the info. They seem to be legit and they don't overcharge for shipping like dish and that other place charging $80 lol I just forgot their name lol.
post #1601 of 6754
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Originally Posted by equivocal View Post

I hope Dish has a mole cruising these forums because prior to this CECB fiasco I had no opinion about them. But I do now.

I was thinking the same thing.
post #1602 of 6754
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Originally Posted by domino92024 View Post

The vast majority of signals on DBS and cable are delivered to those companies digitally. C- and Ku-band digital transmissions suffer few of the problems that overcompression causes on DBS and cable.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "C- and Ku-band digital transmissions suffer few of the problems that overcompression causes on DBS and cable.", since DBS is transmitted through Ku-band.

Maybe you are comparing to another protocol such as DSS?
post #1603 of 6754
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Originally Posted by anyhoo View Post

I wonder if it means there will NOT be s/w in the TR-40 to convert the digital TVGOS to analog?
If this is the case, I definitely need the DTVPAL in order to keep my LG LST-3410A receiving TVGOS data.
My coupons don't expire until September, but if I see the DTVPAL's show up locally, I won't hesitate to buy

anyhoo

Might be best to stick with something you can touch... Considering how "screwed" up things are now as DTVPALs (TR-40s in disquise?) are shipping...

It might be hard for Dish and others to get out the word that there is another CECB "like" DTVPAL called TR-40. Since Dish "allowed" a TR-40 name change the only info. is mixed up with DTVPAL.

Very hard getting DTVPAL info/retailers/etc. ... Yet, this might explain at least in part how "TR-40" retailers got BURNED. They put their resources on a product Dish didn't want to push until later. (Betting on the wrong horse.)

"TR-40" is the new Vaporware. If you want it I suppose you'll want to stick with the "TR-50" for the best info. They probably have it as bad as many in the DTVPAL crowd have had these last weeks.
post #1604 of 6754
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Originally Posted by indyjack View Post

It would be interesting to see the number of hit counts the DTVPAL web page has gotten.

it would be even more interesting to see what percentage of those counts originated from links on this forum or website!
post #1605 of 6754
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Originally Posted by anyhoo View Post

If this is the case, I definitely need the DTVPAL in order to keep my LG LST-3410A receiving TVGOS data.

Nobody's really sure yet if these things will work with our LG and Sony HD DVR's - at least in a way that you will still be able to use the TVGOS to set recordings from their internal digital tuners.

We only know so far from the instructions Scott posted that they will work with our SD recorders, using the DTVPal as the tuner.

But as soon as I get mine, you can be sure one of the first things I'm going to do is test it with my Sony.
post #1606 of 6754
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Originally Posted by uniquelyme View Post

I'm also disappointed that the remote doesn't have a sub-channel separator (-) button. Having to enter 0042 to select channel 4-2 is a bit unintuitive.

Does that also mean if you just punch "4" you don't get likely channel options presented to you, the way you do with the Zenith? I'd hate to have to think about, and enter, leading zeros all the time.
post #1607 of 6754
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Originally Posted by lexus2108 View Post

That is a scary thought, Thanks for the info. They seem to be legit and they don't overcharge for shipping like dish and that other place charging $80 lol I just forgot their name lol.

HOLY SHXX I was going to say DTVPAL.COM had shipping at $8.95 but... for TWO boxes the shipping is $17.90 .

So that VS $9.95 flat rate and no upfront sales tax makes me even happier I did go with "CDC".

I was figuring that Dish wouldn't get it's act together until July and I took a chance that Dish wasn't going to offer the DTVPAL at $40 (which it seems it isn't).
post #1608 of 6754
The reason they designed it without the "dash" button is so that it can be used with IR blastered recorders. Most of the older recorders don't have the ability to add a dash.

My CM7000 is the same way - that's why I wanted it.

That's just another reason these boxes cost a bit more.
post #1609 of 6754
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Originally Posted by lgodave View Post

"TR-40" is the new Vaporware. If you want it I suppose you'll want to stick with the "TR-50" for the best info. They probably have it as bad as many in the DTVPAL crowd have had these last weeks.

Hopefully Dish will have learned from the TR-40 / DTV-Pal fiasco when they release the TR-50. That is, if they think they made mistakes.

One thing going for Dish with the TR-50 is that they have never come out and said they would be selling it for $XX amount. I think that's what burned most TR-40 people, the announced $39.99 price and Dish's failure to follow through.
post #1610 of 6754
Instead of my intended 4 "free with coupon", I ordered 1 through DISH. I was going to do it at DTVPal.com, but instead called the number listed on the order form. He hadn't done one, but was REALLY sharp compared to the CSRs I've been talking to (not DTVPal related). Other DISH shipping charges can often get waived with CC Autopay on the account, but no joy there. CA tax was on $68.94, but what will show on my account (I didn't use a CC - just added to my DISH account balance) sometimes has differed from what a CSR sees on their screen.

He had to read a lengthy script (DISH doesn't guarantee OTA reception, non-refundable purchase, blah, blah). I should expect to receive it in 7-10 business days. SAY WHAT? CSR didn't have any insight into actual shipping, 7-10 is what is written for him to read.
post #1611 of 6754
But actually they did come out with a ballpark. I may look for the quote later, Charlie said in one of those January news conferences that they could sell it for $59.99 and even make a little off it.


ETA: here is the quote:

Quote:


The higher-end TR-50 won’t be eligible for the NTIA coupon, as it has an internal hard drive for DVR functionality. EchoStar hasn’t release pricing for that model, but Ergen said that product wouldn’t lose money and speculated that at “$59.95, maybe we make a little money.”

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6517714.html
post #1612 of 6754
It does seem the "first two for $40 each" post was too good to be true, but it would be interesting to see what that salesman has to say now.

Yes, the "$17.90 for two" shipping cost is obscene.

Can someone verify that Scientific Atlanta codes work on the DTVPal with a normal cheapo (non-learning) universal remote?
post #1613 of 6754
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Originally Posted by TalkingRat View Post

Does that also mean if you just punch "4" you don't get likely channel options presented to you, the way you do with the Zenith? I'd hate to have to think about, and enter, leading zeros all the time.

I don't have one, but would expect "4" followed by 2 second delay to give you 4.1. If you really want 4.2, they yes, I'd expect you would have to enter TWO leading zeros, "4", and then "2". If you actually enter 00402, it would go directly to 4.2 w/o delay. 0042
post #1614 of 6754
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The higher-end TR-50 won’t be eligible for the NTIA coupon, as it has an internal hard drive for DVR functionality. EchoStar hasn’t release pricing for that model, but Ergen said that product wouldn’t lose money and speculated that at “$59.95, maybe we make a little money.”

My grasp on reality tells me that the interviewer must have misunderstood. As much as I would like it to be true, I doubt they can sell a DVR for $60 and make money. Maybe it was a Freudian slip and he was thinking about the tr-40/dtvpal *real* pricing. (Either that or he left off a digit). Either way, it seems strange that in the same sentence we learn that they haven't released pricing and that it might be $59.95.
post #1615 of 6754
Wish I could find the original interview, it had an explanation -- the TR50 would be far less expensive because all the R&D was essentially funded by the TR40 box.
post #1616 of 6754
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Originally Posted by NuovoTech View Post

Rene has been very helpfull on the phone as I have a coupon problem which he'll try to fix this Monday. What did you think about his office & operation, were you impressed?

He's had the office 3 weeks, its a hole in the wall.
He's a small time operation, but he delivers.
post #1617 of 6754
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Originally Posted by lmorsi View Post

My grasp on reality tells me that the interviewer must have misunderstood. As much as I would like it to be true, I doubt they can sell a DVR for $60 and make money. Maybe it was a Freudian slip and he was thinking about the tr-40/dtvpal *real* pricing. (Either that or he left off a digit). Either way, it seems strange that in the same sentence we learn that they haven't released pricing and that it might be $59.95.

I agree. Anybody who thinks the TR-50 will retail for less than $300 is severely delusional . . . let the whining begin
post #1618 of 6754
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Originally Posted by TalkingRat View Post

Wish I could find the original interview, it had an explanation -- the TR50 would be far less expensive because all the R&D was essentially funded by the TR40 box.

Very interesting - I would definitely like to read the context. Still - do you think, given prevailing market prices, they could justify making "a little money" when they could make a killing?
post #1619 of 6754
For a tv OTA only recorder, who would pay $300 when they can get the Sony for $165?
post #1620 of 6754
Which Sony, no-fee, OTA, HD, multiple-tunered hard drive recorder can you get for $165?
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