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post #2101 of 6751
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Originally Posted by avnstf View Post

sure you can - if it has an analog tuner, just feed to channel 3 or 4; if not, rca to your composite line input (actually, I guess this would be better in any case, because it should provide stereo whenever the original program being broadcast is better than mono...)

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Originally Posted by dagger666 View Post

and if the tv doesn't have composite line plugs.......

If your TV has neither RF or composite jacks, I think it's time for a new TV...
post #2102 of 6751
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Originally Posted by bhenley View Post

I've experimented some more, and I think your 301 receiver will ALWAYS respond to the DTVPal remote, no matter what address you set the receiver to. The DTVPal remote's power button operates my 508 receiver, eventhough it is set to address 7. But it doesn't have any effect on a 942/622/722 receiver (EVEN if they are set to use address one). I experimented when an 811 user reported in ADE newsgroup that his DTVPal controlled his 811.

Gosh that takes me back - completely OT but waaay back in the '80's I used Atari home computer equipment that handled their printers like that. Atari's first printers all responded as printer 1; later Atari got smart and added a second address to their newer printers. Each model had its own address, but for compatibility with the older computers & software, they all responded as printer 1 as well!

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Originally Posted by bhenley View Post

The remote they "borrowed" for the DTVPal
http://tech.dishnetwork.com/departme...1.5_dedi.shtml
was really odd in that there was no way to change its address. It generated Address ZERO codes. Most older DISH receivers respond to their configured address and also respond to address zero. The DTVPal responds to either address 1 or address 0. A 5.2 UHF Pro would still let you control the 301 as address 2 in Sat and DTVPal as address 1 in Aux, but the DTVPal remote itself will always power on/off your 301, no matter what address you change it to. You would need filters or something to block the IR from the DTVPal remote to prevent it from controlling your 301.

So it sounds like it'll still work - I just have to use the Dish remote I get at eBay and not the DTVPal remote. Thanks yet again.

I wonder if a learning universal remote can learn the address 1 and address 2 codes? Of course I'd have to teach it every single button (definitely for address 2, maybe for address 1 also) but that would let me overcome any problems if, say, I got a Dish remote that didn't work my TV.
post #2103 of 6751
Ordered mine on 6-26 from dtvpal arrived today 7-2 with just a shipping label on the dtvpal box.
post #2104 of 6751
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Originally Posted by radiorick View Post

I checked and both boxes are in San Antonio, Texas...45 minutes away! So CDC's delivery date of June 3rd in right on track.

If they promised you June 3, they're about a month late.  If they promised you July 3 and you made a typo, nevermind.
post #2105 of 6751
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Originally Posted by Ray E View Post

Received E-Mail from CDC stating order shipped at 2:12 PM on 7/2/08 and notification from UPS at 4:14 PM on 7/2/08. Placed order 6/24/08-order # 197. Sceduled delivery 7/9/08. Sounds like a good site!

Howdy Neighbor! I'm just ahead of you and my e-mails arrived at 3:08pm "CDC" and 3:11pm UPS (Central Time). So if you're Mountain Time "CDC" is doing alright. Odd about the UPS "lag".
post #2106 of 6751
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Originally Posted by onan38 View Post

Ordered mine on 6-26 from dtvpal arrived today 7-2 with just a shipping label on the dtvpal box.

Man we ordered on same date. I should of placed order through dish. paid extra but have the box. Guess you get what you pay for
post #2107 of 6751
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Originally Posted by Symbios View Post

If your TV has neither RF or composite jacks, I think it's time for a new TV...

Or you get a cheap 300 ohm wire to 75 ohm F connector adapter... Which you might already have collected over the years.

Lets be honest. There ARE old TV Sets out there that have been working just fine in their current config... Some of them are going to require some extra adapters/wiring that most of the CECBs aren't going to provide in the box. There might be a few that will detail in the manual what you might need. I hope so because I'd hate for a nice old Grandpa to go in looking for an adapter and walking out with a $1000 HDTV he doesn't want/need.
post #2108 of 6751
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Originally Posted by dagger666 View Post

DigitalStar sends you a conformation email of you order but their web site gives you no way of checking order status using order number or sale number, extremely suspicious. Doesn't look hard to fool the government because i see a lot of suspicious name electronic stores on their site accepting coupons

i just checked the tracking number on my dtvpals label with the UPS site and it said delivered. Mailed 28 and arrived in jersey 01 and my door 02. three days from CO to NJ that is a pretty slow plane.

I have not heard anything credible, just your wild speculation, to indicate there is anything dishonest about DigitalStar.com.

I have not seen any evidence that it is not just a small business with systems scaled for small order volume. Those types of systems can easily be overwhelmed. Considering how many major corporations have had there databases hacked, I do not find it suspicious at all that a small business would not expose its customer database to attack. In fact, I would feel better that they do not. It would be silly for a small business to set up sophisticated, and expensive, systems that will only be used for a few months.

You believed you played it safe by ordering from a big guy. That did stop them from using shipping methods that you whined about.

There is always always some risk in ordering on the internet. It is up to the individual to assess that risk and make their own decision.
post #2109 of 6751
I got my 2 units from CDC in perfect condition today. I ordered on 6/24, I got both emails on 6/25, and got my package in 5 business days to KS.

I hooked 1 up to a TV and it works really well. I'm impressed with the functionality and user configurable options. It is clearer than cable or std OTA TV. I'm glad I held out for the DTVPal.

Also, don't hesitate to order from CheapDigitalConverters.com. It is a legit operation.
post #2110 of 6751
Talked to the ups man that delivered my dtvpal he said the louisville ky ups hub had a very large volume of these from dish.He had 40 something on his truck to deliver today.He said he was glad they came in a small box.
post #2111 of 6751
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Originally Posted by lgodave View Post

Or you get a cheap 300 ohm wire to 75 ohm F connector adapter... Which you might already have collected over the years.

Whoops, I shouldn't have said RF. The joke I was trying to make was if your TV has no inputs at all, it's time for a new one.
post #2112 of 6751
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Originally Posted by Symbios View Post

Whoops, I shouldn't have said RF. The joke I was trying to make was if your TV has no inputs at all, it's time for a new one.

Actually, you were OK. Both 75 ohm coax and 300 ohm twin lead provide RF signals.
post #2113 of 6751
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Originally Posted by lgodave View Post

Or you get a cheap 300 ohm wire to 75 ohm F connector adapter... Which you might already have collected over the years.

Lets be honest. There ARE old TV Sets out there that have been working just fine in their current config... Some of them are going to require some extra adapters/wiring that most of the CECBs aren't going to provide in the box. There might be a few that will detail in the manual what you might need. I hope so because I'd hate for a nice old Grandpa to go in looking for an adapter and walking out with a $1000 HDTV he doesn't want/need.

lets not forget that some will need to be buying new antennas as well...the ones that came with the TV if its old enough...or even the el cheapo ones that you bought at Wal-Mart 15 years ago...while fine with an analog signal, might not pick up much of anything when the switch is flipped and theres no more analog. Grandpa didnt mind having his picture a little fuzzy at times...but what does he do when a storm comes through and instead of fuzzy...he gets no reception at all for the night.

sure would be nice if the ones who mandated this change thought about that a little more. This is why a "free" converter would have been ideal...because (as you said) people who are buying these boxes have older tv's that work just fine and would have kept on working just fine if they werent forced to switch...but now (some) have to buy cables and new antennas...neither of which is offset by any coupon.
post #2114 of 6751
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Originally Posted by dagger666 View Post

DigitalStar sends you a conformation email of you order but their web site gives you no way of checking order status using order number or sale number, extremely suspicious. Doesn't look hard to fool the government because i see a lot of suspicious name electronic stores on their site accepting coupons

...

The "no way of checking order status" statement above is not correct, in general. There is a link at the top of the main digitalstar.com page, "My Orders". If, and only if, you are on the same computer and running the same web browser as when you placed your order, clicking that link will take you to a page where your order number is shown. You can click on the order number and it will take you to another page where the order status and shipping information (your name, address, etc.) are shown. Your order number is stored as a cookie in your browser cache, it seems. True, there is no way I can find where you can type in your order number to get status.

My order shows "awaiting shipment to customer"; I only placed my order earlier this week. Based on prior posts it seems I won't get the box in the mail (I think their site says they ship USPS Priority) for a couple of weeks. My credit card charge appeared today.

Of course, this info will no doubt be disregarded as "suspicious", since I have only a tiny number of posts. Oh well, time to start typing!

--Gary
post #2115 of 6751
Hello , One coupon expired and I got a Magnavox with the other. I ended up buying a panasonic vcr/dvd recorder with digital tuner because my old vcr was shot. I just found out the vcr will not record digital programming. What I do not understand is if the tuner converts digital to analog so it can be viewed on my old tv, why wont the tape record it.? Is there a work around?
post #2116 of 6751
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Originally Posted by walino View Post

Hello , One coupon expired and I got a Magnavox with the other. I ended up buying a panasonic vcr/dvd recorder with digital tuner because my old vcr was shot. I just found out the vcr will not record digital programming. What I do not understand is if the tuner converts digital to analog so it can be viewed on my old tv, why wont the tape record it.? Is there a work around?

I am a little surprised at a VCR that won't record from the tuner, but just out of curiosity, I'm sure you have a reason for wanting to record to tape and that makes this unit frustrating, but why do you want to do it? Maybe to give a copy to friends who don't have a DVD player?

(Ordinarily a DVD recording will have superior quality to an ordinary tape recording, which why I ask)
post #2117 of 6751
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Originally Posted by gac_1959 View Post

The "no way of checking order status" statement above is not correct, in general. There is a link at the top of the main digitalstar.com page, "My Orders". If, and only if, you are on the same computer and running the same web browser as when you placed your order, clicking that link will take you to a page where your order number is shown. You can click on the order number and it will take you to another page where the order status and shipping information (your name, address, etc.) are shown. Your order number is stored as a cookie in your browser cache, it seems. True, there is no way I can find where you can type in your order number to get status.

My order shows "awaiting shipment to customer"; I only placed my order earlier this week. Based on prior posts it seems I won't get the box in the mail (I think their site says they ship USPS Priority) for a couple of weeks. My credit card charge appeared today.

Of course, this info will no doubt be disregarded as "suspicious", since I have only a tiny number of posts. Oh well, time to start typing!

--Gary

my cookies are wiped after every session so this practice of only being able to check order status with a saved cookie in the browser is highly suspicious as well you keep defending them.

Based on prior posts it seems I won't get the box in the mail (I think their site says they ship USPS Priority) for a couple of weeks. My credit card charge appeared today.

and this isn't a red flag to you.....over the top SUSPICIOUS!!!
post #2118 of 6751
[quote=kenavs;14211080]I have not heard anything credible, just your wild speculation, to indicate there is anything dishonest about DigitalStar.com.
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that is my point, I have not heard anything credible to indicate there is anything honest about DigitalStar.com, just that their paper trail leads to a dead end. i haven't hear anything but they burnt my coupon and i guess credit card i'll check that tomorrow.
post #2119 of 6751
I was sure that I understood the analog/digital transition...until now. I just heard about this DTVPal this morning and now I am confused. I am not a Dish customer, but my parents are...

I am a cable customer. So, as long as I have a digital receiver for each TV with an analog tuner...I'll be fine.

I was under the impression that if my parents have a Dish receiver for each of their analog TV's in the house...they will be fine. Is this not correct? Will they need a converter as well?

They have four analog TV's
- They have one 625 DVR which works for two of those TV's
- They have two 311's for the remaining TV's

Can anyone clarify this for me? Thank you!
post #2120 of 6751
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Originally Posted by jrcorwin View Post

I was sure that I understood the analog/digital transition...until now. I just heard about this DTVPal this morning and now I am confused. I am not a Dish customer, but my parents are...

I am a cable customer. So, as long as I have a digital receiver for each TV with an analog tuner...I'll be fine.

I was under the impression that if my parents have a Dish receiver for each of their analog TV's in the house...they will be fine. Is this not correct? Will they need a converter as well?

They have four analog TV's
- They have one 625 DR which works for two of those TV's
- They have two 311's for the remaining TV's

Can anyone clarify this for me? Thank you!

it's not the TVs but the over the air broadcasting that is changing from analog to digital. cable and dish subscribers have nothing to change since they do everything for you. you need a digital converter box if you watch broadcast TV that you need a antenna to pick up and are using a analog TV. I'm guessing the word DISH that's confusing you, they just made a digital analog decoder box the dtvpal for broadcast over the air digital reception. the cable single unless it's a high definition is analog and will stay that way for some time. if you needed a decoder for cable they will rent you one and let you know if one is needed, your fine the way you are and so are your parents.
post #2121 of 6751
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Originally Posted by jrcorwin View Post

I am a cable customer. So, as long as I have a digital receiver for each TV with an analog tuner...I'll be fine.

I was under the impression that if my parents have a Dish receiver for each of their analog TV's in the house...they will be fine. Is this not correct? Will they need a converter as well?

They have four analog TV's
- They have one 625 DVR which works for two of those TV's
- They have two 311's for the remaining TV's

Can anyone clarify this for me? Thank you!

Your parents are all set. You only need a converter box if the TV is receiving it signals via an OTA antenna and the TV has no digital tuner.
post #2122 of 6751
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Originally Posted by dagger666 View Post

it's not the TVs but the over the air broadcasting that is changing from analog to digital. cable and dish subscribers have nothing to change since they do everything for you. you need a digital converter box if you watch broadcast TV that you need a antenna to pick up and are using a analog TV. I'm guessing the word DISH that's confusing you, they just made a digital analog decoder box the dtvpal for broadcast over the air digital reception.

Yes, I understand that this is concerning OTA broadcast TV...which is why I was confused by DISH's involvement. This doesn't affect those customers who have locals provided by DISH. If they don't offer them in a particular area...and that customer has an antenna hooked up via the connection on the back of their DISH receiver...doesn't that receiver already have a digital tuner to convert the signal for the analog TV? Is this just being done as another source of revenue and not by necessity?
post #2123 of 6751
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Originally Posted by Bill R (# 2) View Post

Your parents are all set. You only need a converter box if the TV is receiving it signals via an OTA antenna and the TV has no digital tuner.

Ok, that's what I thought. I also thought however that even the 311's have a connection for an antenna on the back. I thought that all of the receivers allowed for this. If you have a digital receiver (I'm assuming that all DISH receivers are digital and they may not be) why would you also need this DTVPal? Just connect your OTA antenna to your reciever and move on. I'm not trying to be difficult. I guess I just don't see the connection. Why would DISH be in the business of selling a product that their customers don't even need?
post #2124 of 6751
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Originally Posted by jrcorwin View Post

Yes, I understand that this is concerning OTA broadcast TV...which is why I was confused by DISH's involvement. This doesn't affect those customers who have locals provided by DISH. If they don't offer them in a particular area...and that customer has an antenna hooked up via the connection on the back of their DISH receiver...doesn't that receiver already have a digital tuner to convert the signal for the analog TV? Is this just being done as another source of revenue and not by necessity?

since i never been a subscriber to dish i really can't answer that. i remember people saying the local channels are broadcast differently than dish content, i don't know and guess you would have to check with them on that.
post #2125 of 6751
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Originally Posted by jrcorwin View Post

Ok, that's what I thought. I also thought however that even the 311's have a connection for an antenna on the back. I thought that all of the receivers allowed for this. If you have a digital receiver (I'm assuming that all DISH receivers are digital and they may not be) why would you also need this DTVPal? Just connect your OTA antenna to your reciever and move on. I'm not trying to be difficult. I guess I just don't see the connection. Why would DISH be in the business of selling a product that their customers don't even need?

Some of your DISH (Non-DTVPal) specific questions are probably directed to threads that can address the OTA Digital/Analog abilities of the specific Receiver.

However, if the DISH Receiver (with OTA hookup) isn't getting all the available local OTA "digital" channels NOW it's likely you'll need to make arrangements like have DISH update/upgrade the receiver unit or you get a CECB (likely not a DTVPAL since it's remote might conflict with the DISH Receiver) to take over from the DISH Receiver.

I don't see it being hard to believe that any company might branch out and "get a piece of the pie" if they wanted to do it. Coca-Cola and Pepsi could have released a CECB. I'm sure we've all seen some "oddly" branded items from companies that aren't known for product X...
post #2126 of 6751
Now I am concerned about the DISH remote control conflict problem. I have a DISH 622 receiver, and I think it has both UHF and IR remote controls. The IR is used in the room for TV1 and I actually have several TV2s connected, each with its own UHF remote control. I suspect that the potential conflict would be in the room where the receiver is located using IR remote. I actually was hoping to use a DTV Pal in that same room on my computer monitor that has a PIP (picture in picture) NTSC tuner. I think it may be possible to get an additional UHF remote control for DISH and configure it for TV1. However, maybe the simplest thing is to just select a different brand. I think I originally became interested in the TR-40 because of the price and features, but now the price is a non-issue and it seems that some of the features may be questionable for me. Can anybody suggest the next best CECB in both price and features? Is it the RCA or the Magnavox?
post #2127 of 6751
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Originally Posted by dagger666
DigitalStar sends you a conformation email of you order but their web site gives you no way of checking order status using order number or sale number, extremely suspicious. Doesn't look hard to fool the government because i see a lot of suspicious name electronic stores on their site accepting coupons.

dagger666's statement about Digitalstar.com is simply uninformed and incorrect.

It is actually very easy to check your order status without even being registered.

From Digitalstar.com home page click the "My orders" link at the top.
Then all of your previous orders that were stored in a cookie show.
Then click the order number (which is a link)
Then your order status shows, including all the details from the order.

If your PC is set to delete (or not accept) cookies (because you may have suspicions about them)
you may have to register before ordering so that the order is tied to an account.
Then log in to check your order status.

I did not register, so that is speculation.
Beeper
post #2128 of 6751
The Twister Group

http://www.thetwistergroup.com/produ...%20H29170.html

just raised their price for the Sling 159365/TR40 from $39.12 to $43.12. S&H is unknown - the 159365 is still not available.

The Buy.com

http://www.buy.com/prod/digital-to-a...207886355.html

price is holding at $48.99 including S&H. Also "temporarily sold out".
post #2129 of 6751
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Originally Posted by jrcorwin View Post

Ok, that's what I thought. I also thought however that even the 311's have a connection for an antenna on the back. I thought that all of the receivers allowed for this. If you have a digital receiver (I'm assuming that all DISH receivers are digital and they may not be) why would you also need this DTVPal?

The 625 and 311 do NOT have an ATSC tuner for OTA digital signals. The only DISH receivers with an ATSC tuner are their HD receivers, not SD. On my 508, there is an antenna in signal but the receiver doesn't do anything with it. When the unit is off, it passes that signal through to its "TV Out" connection. When turned on, "TV Out" is a channel 3 or 4 version of the satellite channel. Pressing TV Video button on the remote puts the 508 into "Pass-Though" mode, like when it is off. If your folks can watch local channels from DISH, nothing needs to happen. If DISH doesn't carry locals (or all the locals) in your DMA and they use an antenna signal to get them, you do need some ATSC tuner in Feb.
post #2130 of 6751
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Originally Posted by Jim1348 View Post

Now I am concerned about the DISH remote control conflict problem. I have a DISH 622 receiver, and I think it has both UHF and IR remote controls. The IR is used in the room for TV1 and I actually have several TV2s connected, each with its own UHF remote control. I suspect that the potential conflict would be in the room where the receiver is located using IR remote.

Even if I configure my 622/722 to use Address one, the DTV Pal remote has NO effect on it at all (standing right in front of it at TV1). ViP receivers don't seem to respond to Address zero like the older receivers do. Shouldn't be a problem with them side by side and using the DTVPal remote. If you are using the 5.3 IR remote that came with the 622, you don't even need the DTVPal remote if you are willing to give up what is in Aux now (A/V receiver?) as it can be setup as address 1 and control the DTVPal.
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