Discs the LG BH200 has problems with - Page 9  

There just may be certain issues with ENEMY's authoring, because the 360 drive and the 3rd gen Toshiba HD-DVD players couldn't play it either I don't believe. It works on my XA2 but that's been it.

Hi,

I'm having the same problem with Clerks II that Zombi3 reported (the menu animation plays, but no menus are drawn, so there's nothing to select.)

This is with the April firmware and the 702 driver.

-Stuart

I can confirm that the Dragon Tiger Gate Blue-ray now works. DTS HD Studio Master 7.1 works too and everything is fine now with the April firmware

The German/Swiss 300 HD DVD has still the same issues with the April firmware. Green screen all over the place after the Warner Logo. Sound seems ok.

Hi,

I just picked it up, and unfortunately I didn't try it prior to upgrading the firmware.

That being said, the BH200 allows you to roll back to previous firmware versions, doesn't it? (as opposed to only allowing you update to later revisions).

I guess I could roll back and try it.

True enough, don't wanna push my luck and brick my player.

I wonder why it's working for one user, but not for Zombi3 and I. Maybe there are two different versions of Clerks2 out which are authored differently.

It's definitely a drag though, because I can't find any way to actually watch the movie. If it were just a case of "the menu isn't visible, but hit enter and the movie starts" then that wouldn't be so bad, but the disc is 100% useless.

Funny that all the complicated HDi features on Transformers work well but this doesn't... I guess that gives us an idea of which titles were tested and which ones were not.

Hey, all - just wanted to let you know that I plan on spending most of the day today testing all the disks I have after updating to the "official" April firmware. I have some of the trouble disks including Clerks II and DVE: HD Basics, both on HD DVD.

I'll starting posting as soon as I get some results ... I'm looking forward to it!

-C.

EDIT, 4/19 at 3:30 CST - is it weird that I'm excited about all the testing and firmware updating? At the very least, it leaves no doubt that I really am an A/V geek. Oh, well. By the way, as per bradavon's request, I will be posting all my results in one, big post to follow later today.

Hi,

I tried all that stuff, but none of it works. I tried the "title" button etc, but they're all disabled (the BH200 displays a "not allowed" red circle with a line through it.)

You are correct, it's a menu problem, but since there doesn't seem to be any way to get past the menus, it's also kinda a disc problem.

Thanks Casey! Definitely interested in finding out whether it's just our player with DVE:HD Basics.

You've got company in being excited about new firmware and testing and such... Not weird in my book. Then again, I'm an A/V geek too.


Further on the April firmware:
- the problem navigating a BD pop-up menu after pausing the title...is still an issue. Only way to navigate the pop-up menu is to let the movie continue to play. Doesn't prevent playback (phew), but it is an annoyance (particularly if all you're trying to do is change the audio track). A fix in the next firmware would be nice to see.

edit (more detail): Same red circle with a line through it (mentioned by stpat above) is what happens when you try to navigate around a pop-menu on a BD after pausing it. In the ones I've tried thus far anyway.

re: Clerks II
Real shot in the dark here...and there's no reason this should work...but what if it's like the problem with The Matador (another Weinstein title). It wouldn't play until I switched the parental control Area Code from CA to US.

What Area Code does your player report stpat? If it's not US, try changing it to that and then playing the disc. Shouldn't work, but well, much crazier things have made a difference.

Hi,

I actually already tried this too. My player reports Canada, but I tried changing it to US, and it made no difference. I also tried tinkering with all the "disc menu" options (changed them from "original" to "english".

I can't find any way to get this disc to play...

OK, so I didn't get around to testing everything I wanted to, but I think this is still a pretty good list to start with. I tried to focus on the disks that I knew others were having problems with first. Unless otherwise noted, all the disks are HD DVD with the BH200 audio set to Primary pass-thru. I've got the latest April firmware (BH02080402F) and the 702 driver version. My setup is BH200 --HDMI--> Onkyo 705 --HDMI--> 2006 Panasonic 42" 720p plasma display. Here we go:

No Country for Old Men (Blu-ray) - uncompressed PCM audio, pop-up menu will work when the movie is paused.

Across the Universe (Blu-ray) - TrueHD audio, no flicker menu, pop-up menu will work when the movie is paused ... it would seem that on the two Blu-rays I own, pausing the movie has no affect on whether or not the pop-up menu works.

Into the Wild - DD+ audio bitstreamed and decoded internally, with previous March "beta" firmware I had a video dropout during the rafting permit scene (approx. 54:30-56:00). It is no longer there with new firmware. All menus work fine.

300 - DD+ and TrueHD audio bitstreamed and decoded internally, using in movie experience, audio set to DD+ bitstreamed and you could hear both primary and secondary audio. TrueHD not an option when using in movie experience. All menus and online features work fine.

Batman Begins - TrueHD bitstreamed and decoded internally, using in movie experience no secondary audio when bitstreamed. Switch audio option to MultiCh PCM, and both audio tracks were played. All menus worked fine.

Charlie & the Chocolate Factory - DD+ bitstreamed, in movie experience worked fine when bitstreamed. So, it would seem that if DD+ is selected when using Primary pass-thru, both primary and secondary audio work fine. But, if you're using TrueHD that's not the case. I'm not sure if this is a BH200 specific issue or if it has something to do with the difference between what is required to decode DD+ vs. TrueHD. Either way, I found it interesting and would like to test it on a Blu-ray bonus view (Profile 1.1) disk and see if the audio works the same way.

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind - DD+, all menus work fine.

The Assassination of Jesse James ... - DD+, all menus work fine.

Flags of our Fathers - DD+, all menus work fine, noticed a few audio dropouts. Actually they weren't so much dropouts as they were quick fades. It was like the volume would fade down and then pop back up very quickly; it all happened within a second or two. Not a huge issue, but a mild annoyance.

Alexander Revisited - DD+, all menus work fine.

Inside Man - TrueHD, all menus work fine.

Letters from Iwo Jima - TrueHD, all menus work fine.

Clerks II - just as others are reporting, this is a no go. The menu screen starts playing, but that's it. No selectable menus ever appear. Pressing play or chapter skip forward buttons on the remote do no good. So, that makes the movie unwatchable and the disk unusable.

DVE: HD Essentials - audio and video work fine, but problems with the menu do exist. I'm not sure if I'm having the same problems others have reported or not. Here's what happens: the initial menu will load and I can then go into submenus. But, that's where it stops. From the submenus, I can't skip right to a certain part, I have to choose the first option which is PLAY ALL. Also, once you've starting playing something, the popup menu is useless. It will open, but that's it. You can't select anything. So, while this doesn't make it unusable, it certainly doesn't make it easy, practical, or efficient. This may have already been asked, but has anyone tried this with the Blu-ray version?

All in all, I came away with two predominant thoughts in my head. First, I think LG has still done a great job with both the BH200 and the latest firmware. It's not perfect, but for all the variables it has to deal with, it's pretty damn good. The second is how much I've come to appreciate a well authored disk that minimizes all the fancy programming (be it HDi or BD-Java) and instead focuses on a quality audio/video presentation.

Hope this helps ... I'll do some more testing as time allows!

-C.

Enemy at the Gate does also play on the Integra which is really an XA2 and surprisingly enough, it plays in my Samsung 5000 without a hitch, but not the LG Bh200, go figure.

It also plays on the Toshiba A20...just not the 3rd gen machines and the 360 drive. That's funny it would play in the 5000 though...I think there's just something "off" with the disc's authoring.

It was a faulty pressing. I had to ship mine back to france for $11 to get a replacement. Still waiting for the replacement.

Thanks for confirming that one. That's essentially the same problem, if not identical ("Play All" has to be selected, the items that appear to chapter options are not selectable).

One tip though--once a "Play All" finishes, or a menu comes back, the following works for me to get back up a level:
- press the left arrow button (as though you're going back)
- then press Enter (the OK button in the middle of the arrows)
At that point, the menu above where you were should open

Another thing I've found so far with. If a menu has a "Back" option, don't select it. Generally the thing becomes unresponsive after that and I have to press "Stop".

At least it' doesn't freeze completely...pressing Stop at least gets the BH200 back to a state where the "Home" button works, and it can be re-launched.

Certainly looking forward to a firmware fix on this one. Navigating around is kind of a pain, though the disc can be played.

Interesting. The two that are a problem for me are:
- Hitman
- I Am Legend

I'm pretty sure We Own the Night was also affected (rental).

One question though. From what I remember of No Country for Old Men, the pop-up menu was basically the menu full-screen with the movie playing in a small corner (rented it, so I can't check again at the moment). Just checked Ratatouille, and it's the same...and it works OK (oops, should have checked that earlier).

So, looks like the problem surfaces with pop-up menus that slide up with the movie remaining full-screen (rather than just a corner). Pause before the pop-up, no navigation possible (red circle, line through it). Keep movie playing, no problem.

Could be an issue the way those ones are authored, or that the BH200 doesn't quite handle the situation properly (movie paused while full-screen, arrow keys deactivated...).

I'll check more BDs as we come across them. The three we have came with the player (nice deal ) while other BDs have been rentals.

Same here. Last night I coudn't get The Matador HD DVD to work on the BH200. Ended up using my cheapo Venturer HD DVD player to play the movie. Worked perfectly.

You are correct. Both No Country and Across the Universe bring up a modified version of the main menu and keep the movie playing in a small, corner box. So that might be what makes all the difference.


All of the early HD DVD releases from Weinstien were notoriously buggy and poorly authored. But, I don't really consider Clerks II an "early" release. Of course, if they are working on Toshiba and other HD players, than maybe it's no longer an issue with the disks and indeed something that needs to be addressed with the BH200.


No problem. Glad to be of service and I look forward to doing more testing as time allows.


That's the same question I asked. I'm assuming that the menus are different on the Blu-ray (HDi vs. BD-Java) so I'd be interested to know if it works any better with the BH200. I purchased mine from Amazon and thanks to their liberal return policy, I could probably get them to exchange the Blu-ray for the HD DVD version for me. Maybe I'll contact them tonight.

-C.

I've played back a few Weinstein titles on the 5000 and noticed the menu being difficult to navigate on The Matador (unable to visualize menu selections)....so it does seem to be more related to Weinstein's shoddy authoring attempts.

I had audio dropouts in the opening title and the opening shot. It played fine on the A2. Anyone else with similar experience on this title?