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post #811 of 3490
Me too. I have a wireless keyboard that works fine even before windows loads up and I am able to get into the BIOS.

I had trouble with CPU fan not spinning for more than a couple of seconds. I had to remove the CMOS jumper and re-seat it to clear the CMOS and that cleared all by problems with booting. May be you should try clearing the CMOS.
post #812 of 3490
Thanks. I guess I'll have to actually buy a keyboard for the one or two instances I need to get into the BIOS. Thank you, MSI.
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My bad, I totally blank out the "can't get into bios" thing. Something like this KB should do.
post #813 of 3490
What speed RAM are you using? If your are using faster than DDR2 800 you can only use 1 DIMM per channel.
post #814 of 3490
@skoda123
Would you mind sharing a few more details what was happening in your case?
For example do you have an idea what caused the board not to post, was the cpu fan really spinning for couple of seconds or maybe just a fraction of a second like it is in my case? Did you reset the CMOS exactly according to the manual or did you do anything different?
My board still doesn't post and I gave up already but your scenario seemed to be quite familiar.
post #815 of 3490
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Originally Posted by blueskais73 View Post

@skoda123
Would you mind sharing a few more details what was happening in your case?
For example do you have an idea what caused the board not to post, was the cpu fan really spinning for couple of seconds or maybe just a fraction of a second like it is in my case? Did you reset the CMOS exactly according to the manual or did you do anything different?
My board still doesn't post and I gave up already but your scenario seemed to be quite familiar.

OK. The CPU fan would spin for a three to four seconds (it is probably a fraction of a second but it takes 3 to 4 seconds to come to a stop). The board wouldn't even POST. I benched the board suspecting short circuits etc. I gave up on it and called in a technician who charged me Rs 350 (about $7). He poked it for a few minutes and then finally removed the jumper and re-seated it to clear the CMOS. I do not know if that is exactly how the manual states the CMOS should be reset.

Give it a shot. It might work! If not, try changing the CMOS battery though I would doubt a dead CMOS battery.
post #816 of 3490
G-Skill 2x2GB DDR2 800
The USB woes include losing the mouse & KB when the system goes to sleep. I have to reboot to get it back. Looks like I'll have to go buy a KB I'll rarely ever use again just to get into the BIOS.
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Originally Posted by DonTHB View Post

What speed RAM are you using? If your are using faster than DDR2 800 you can only use 1 DIMM per channel.
post #817 of 3490
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Originally Posted by JoeWPgh View Post

Yes, It's odd. I have a couple other 780g chipset based machines, and while it's not a universal problem, this MB isn't the only one with this issue. I have a J&W Minix and it suffers the same problem. In it's case, enabling USB legacy devices had no effect. But it does have a PS/2 KB port.
I understand the desire to eliminate legacy ports. A PS/2 mouse? I haven't seen a system with one of those in a few years. A PS/2 KB? MSI may have jumped the gun on that.

What type of wireless keyboard do you have? Like Jack, I have a Logitech that works just fine. You may also want to try it on another port. I'm using the same RAM you are.
post #818 of 3490
Thank you, skoda123. I did the reset already according manual with no success.
Guess I try to find a technician as well...
post #819 of 3490
Thanks,

I was trying to use a Kensington Slimblade. It's just no go. I pulled a old Logitech diNovo from another machine and it works fine. My Minix 780g still balks at both of them. So that's one issue solved, but another one raised:

If the computer idles to the point that the screen turns off and I insert a USB device in the back, the machine instantly shuts down, as if the plug was pulled from the wall. This happened with the Logitech dongle, and with a flash drive. I don't think I've ever had this problem with any machine.

Do you have both RAM sticks in the same bank?

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Originally Posted by vladd View Post

What type of wireless keyboard do you have? Like Jack, I have a Logitech that works just fine. You may also want to try it on another port. I'm using the same RAM you are.
post #820 of 3490
It seems I may have to return my MSI 7411 motherboard back to Newegg. The motherboard works fine, but the amp board will not output sound. I went into the control panel and tested every sound audio device. I even tested the pin connections with a mullimeter to make sure I was getting a good connection. Do I have a DOA amp board? The board does not get hot at all with the power is supply to it. I am running a seasonic 330 watt power supply so I know the power issue is not a problem. Anything else I need to try?
post #821 of 3490
Thread Starter 
Make sure that you have the molex connector from the PSU to the amp securely in place.
Make sure the card is seated properly in the slot.
Make sure you select the 2-High Definition Audio Device (see my post a few pages back for audio config).
Make sure you have the speaker wires connected properly and that the wires are not shorting out.
post #822 of 3490
I tried everything and it still doesn't work. The subwoofer output won't even work. Does the subwoofer output work on 2 channel stereo? If I can't get this amp board to work, I will have to go back to the tripath digital amps. Hopefully the next one that comes is not DOA. Thanks for your quick response!
post #823 of 3490
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Originally Posted by JoeWPgh View Post

If the computer idles to the point that the screen turns off and I insert a USB device in the back, the machine instantly shuts down, as if the plug was pulled from the wall. This happened with the Logitech dongle, and with a flash drive. I don't think I've ever had this problem with any machine.

I've seen something similar to this happen and it turned out to be due to a static discharge when plugging in the device. Try touching your hand to the back of the power supply before inserting the device and see if that makes a difference.

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Do you have both RAM sticks in the same bank?

Yes, I have them in slots DIMM3 and DIMM4 (the green ones).
post #824 of 3490
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by holyghostfire View Post

I tried everything and it still doesn't work. The subwoofer output won't even work. Does the subwoofer output work on 2 channel stereo? If I can't get this amp board to work, I will have to go back to the tripath digital amps. Hopefully the next one that comes is not DOA. Thanks for your quick response!

Check the amp card. There is are large capacitors and a large inductor. Check to make sure they did not break loose from the board during shipping.
post #825 of 3490
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Originally Posted by vladd View Post

Yes, I have them in slots DIMM3 and DIMM4 (the green ones).

It appears the G-Skill isn't quite right. There is no video with it in dual channel mode. I swapped it out with 2x2GB of Corsair from another machine and I get dual channel memory and video. Now in the other machine, there's no video in dual channel mode until Vista has completely loaded, but at least on that machine it eventually gets video output. So now I'm blocked from the BIOS on that machine - and they say irony is dead! I'll be RMA'ing.

The USB problem turned out to be something VERY stupid - a bad power cord. Apparently when reaching around to install USB, I was jostling the cord just so. You never would have guessed to look at it (it looked reasonably new and shiny), but I figured out that I could consistently get the machine to power off just by bumping it.
So thanks everyone, I think everything is ironed out.
post #826 of 3490
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JoeWPgh View Post

It appears the G-Skill isn't quite right. There is no video with it in dual channel mode. I swapped it out with 2x2GB of Corsair from another machine and I get dual channel memory and video. Now in the other machine, there's no video in dual channel mode until Vista has completely loaded, but at least on that machine it eventually gets video output. So now I'm blocked from the BIOS on that machine - and they say irony is dead! I'll be RMA'ing.

The USB problem turned out to be something VERY stupid - a bad power cord. Apparently when reaching around to install USB, I was jostling the cord just so. You never would have guessed to look at it (it looked reasonably new and shiny), but I figured out that I could consistently get the machine to power off just by bumping it.
So thanks everyone, I think everything is ironed out.

Glad everything is working correctly. Also glad that the board was not the root cause of your issues.

Please report back once you got everything working correctly and let us know what your impressions are of the system.
post #827 of 3490
Good to hear.

The three issues I had with my build was chosing the right output device (Microsoft's UAA driver). It seems that mixer outputs have more descriptive names after running Windows Update. The second issue was to be sure to use both boards in the 7.1 configuration even if only 5.1 is required. And the third issue was that audio requires a board; motherboard connectors are not active otherwise. Actually, the third was my first problem: couldn't get any audio until I installed a card.

Hopefully the last two issues will be fixed soon and the above would help someone.

Of course, having a facility for completely remapping the inputs as outputs as well as remapping outputs would be great. Could a PC be used as a five zone system for music this way? Presumably, the DAE-3 supports 12 channels. How many are inputs? How many are outputs? Are they fixed?
post #828 of 3490
Sadly, I see no way around this one. There are capacitors at the bottom rear of the board that prevent me from installing an AverMedia combo tuner in the bottom slot. Frikking unreal.

I got both tuners installed. But should I ever decide to get a discrete vid card, one of the tuners will have to go. What are they smoking at MSI? This is supposed to be a media platform, and the tuner is fairly common.

I wonder if this is the handiwork of the same jackass who did the bracket for the amp card. Sheesh.
post #829 of 3490
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Originally Posted by JoeWPgh View Post

Sadly, I see no way around this one. There are capacitors at the bottom rear of the board that prevent me from installing an AverMedia combo tuner in the bottom slot. Frikking unreal.

I got both tuners installed. But should I ever decide to get a discrete vid card, one of the tuners will have to go. What are they smoking at MSI? This is supposed to be a media platform, and the tuner is fairly common.

I wonder if this is the handiwork of the same jackass who did the bracket for the amp card. Sheesh.

No, they where thinking profit margin, to get you to buy one of this cards.
post #830 of 3490
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JoeWPgh View Post

Sadly, I see no way around this one. There are capacitors at the bottom rear of the board that prevent me from installing an AverMedia combo tuner in the bottom slot. Frikking unreal.

I got both tuners installed. But should I ever decide to get a discrete vid card, one of the tuners will have to go. What are they smoking at MSI? This is supposed to be a media platform, and the tuner is fairly common.

I wonder if this is the handiwork of the same jackass who did the bracket for the amp card. Sheesh.

It is unfortunate, but it was an oversight that was unfortunately caught too late for the production run.
post #831 of 3490
Unfortunate is putting it kindly. This strikes me as pretty basic stuff. As it's an mATX board, there's not a lot of spare slots to waste. Between this and the amp bracket, I really have to wonder what's going on at MSI. Do they have anyone who can even read a tape measure? The board is a nifty idea. Unfortunately when it came time to implement the most basic physical elements, they appear to have handed it off to chimpanzees.
Hello buyer's remorse.
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Originally Posted by Java Jack View Post

It is unfortunate, but it was an oversight that was unfortunately caught too late for the production run.
post #832 of 3490
I'm trying to understand if a HTPC built around this board can replace the pre-pro in my system. My apologies if I am missing obvious answers...

Can I use this board with an external amp or does it only work with the amp card add-in?

Can I somehow route my HDMI SACD player and HDMI Dish HD DVR through this board in the same way that a pre-pro would perform swithing/processing? If not, is there any way to incorporate SACD and HD DVR functionality into a HTPC built using this board?

Thanks!
post #833 of 3490
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by elee532 View Post

I'm trying to understand if a HTPC built around this board can replace the pre-pro in my system. My apologies if I am missing obvious answers...

Can I use this board with an external amp or does it only work with the amp card add-in?

Can I somehow route my HDMI SACD player and HDMI Dish HD DVR through this board in the same way that a pre-pro would perform swithing/processing? If not, is there any way to incorporate SACD and HD DVR functionality into a HTPC built using this board?

Thanks!


Unfortunately, no. There is no video inputs (except via a TV Tuner card), the only audio inputs are SPDIF coax and 2 channel, line level inputs.

Therefore, you could only run limited audio through this to an amp.

There is a 7.1 audio board that can be used with an amp, but you are still limited on the input side right now.
post #834 of 3490
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Originally Posted by Java Jack View Post

Unfortunately, no. There is no video inputs (except via a TV Tuner card), the only audio inputs are SPDIF coax and 2 channel, line level inputs.

Therefore, you could only run limited audio through this to an amp.

There is a 7.1 audio board that can be used with an amp, but you are still limited on the input side right now.

Thanks. maybe in '09 I'll get my HTPC that can do SACD, DVD-V, DVD-A, Blu-Ray including HD Audio, and the ability to DVR both OTA HD and Dish HD.
post #835 of 3490
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Originally Posted by holyghostfire View Post

It seems I may have to return my MSI 7411 motherboard back to Newegg. The motherboard works fine, but the amp board will not output sound. I went into the control panel and tested every sound audio device. I even tested the pin connections with a mullimeter to make sure I was getting a good connection. Do I have a DOA amp board? The board does not get hot at all with the power is supply to it. I am running a seasonic 330 watt power supply so I know the power issue is not a problem. Anything else I need to try?

I had issues with getting my sound card to work as well. Vista required a restart before each configuration change could work. For example, i would select speakers and nothing would come out and after a restart it worked.
post #836 of 3490
Can anyone tell me what's the best way to set up audio/video codecs to truly take advantage of this motherboard?

ATI Radeon HD 3200 has hardware acceleration for playing h.264 video. I have read that a lot of codecs out there do not support hardware acceleration when playing h.264 videos. So far i installed Haali media splitter and Cyberlink's h.264 codec and AC3 audio codec, but i still cannot hear AAC sound. I then uninstalled all the codecs and installed PowerDVD 8 ultra. However after that i don't believe i'm getting full surround sound because my rear speakers don't really get used when running 1080p trailer for 10,000 BC.

I then uninstalled power DVD because it doesn't work with vista media centre and now i'd like to know what your recommendations would be regarding audio/video codec configuration that would truly take advantage of this motherboard and 5.1 sound card.
post #837 of 3490
There is a detailed explanation on how to setup your system sound in this thread, here's the link to the post along with the one below.

As far as codecs for playing videos, I use MPC HC, CoreAVC and Haali. This combination allows me to play the majority of formats, even if they're not HA encoded. For BD playback "PDVD, WinDVD or TMT" are the most popular SW players, AnyDVD HD is a must for many and indispensable to others.

I believe this would get you started.
post #838 of 3490
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JoeWPgh View Post

Unfortunate is putting it kindly. This strikes me as pretty basic stuff. As it's an mATX board, there's not a lot of spare slots to waste. Between this and the amp bracket, I really have to wonder what's going on at MSI. Do they have anyone who can even read a tape measure? The board is a nifty idea. Unfortunately when it came time to implement the most basic physical elements, they appear to have handed it off to chimpanzees.
Hello buyer's remorse.

I am sorry your experiece was not what you were hoping for or expected. I think this is still a great product with a lot of potential. I think the audio/video capabilities of this system are excellent.

Sure, there were a couple of things that should have been resolved before being released to the public, but I don't think that is is overly impeding the functionality of the system.
post #839 of 3490
I could grant the mismeasured amp bracket - stuff happens. The blocked PCIe slot? C'mon.
The video, is OK. It's just a 780 chipset - readily available. The audio is pretty good for movies. For music???? Ouch.
The sound is harsh, constricted and very, very digital sounding. On the audiophile scale, it's almost Kmart. It's got bass and highs, but it's just not very musical sounding. YMMV.
I can put up with a lot, and am pretty easily pleased with practical compromise. That blocked PCIe slot is not a reasonable compromise.
It's a decent board in the all in all. It when it tries to meet it's promises and price that it's a failure.

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Originally Posted by Java Jack View Post

I am sorry your experiece was not what you were hoping for or expected. I think this is still a great product with a lot of potential. I think the audio/video capabilities of this system are excellent.

Sure, there were a couple of things that should have been resolved before being released to the public, but I don't think that is is overly impeding the functionality of the system.
post #840 of 3490
Thread Starter 
Hmm, I am surprised at the comment about music. While I know that audio is very subjective, it should sound very good for music as well.

How do you have the properties configured? Everyone that I have demo'd this for (including audiophile folks like Crestron, Rain Recording, etc.) have commented positively about the audio for music playback.
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