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post #1 of 8
Thread Starter 
I suspect this has been covered a few times, but the search function does not work on "IR" for this board.

Can someobody please help explain to me how the Xantech (or any brand, for that matter) IR/Coax products work? The huge array of products is extremely confusing, and none of the sites that sell the stuff seems to have a tutorial/FAQ.

I simply want to take an IR signal in from several rooms, and transmit them at one (or possibly two) locations, over a shared coax line.

I don't understand the "Connecting Block" - They tend to have IR inputs and IR outputs and seem very overkill for what I would like to do.

I would just like to buy several IR targets that transmits received IR over the coax, and then a IR receiver that transmits IR from what it received over the coax.

What specific products do I need? I'm not parital to any brand of product.

Thanks!
post #2 of 8
I believe these products work like any other Xantech IR product, but instead of hard wiring new lines, they use existing coax cable in your house. The IR Inputs are where the IR receiver(s) plugs into. The IR Outputs are where you plug the emitters into. Then the emitters stick to the IR point on the device (DVD player, TV, etc.). The coax connection then carries the same signal to any other connecting blocks that have other IR devices attached to them. Here are some of the products you should look at.

http://www.smarthome.com/8195.html

http://www.smarthome.com/8110.html

http://www.smarthome.com/8191A.html

http://www.smarthome.com/8170.html
post #3 of 8
Channel Plus makes several models such as the 3015 and 3025 which will do what you want it to do. The first one has 1 in/4 out, the other one has 2 in/5 out. You will also need 2133 IR remote targets. You could also choose the 3308 coax panel w/2133 & 2173 emitters for a 3 X 8 panel. Want more? Get the 3104A/3108A 3208A/3212A for up to 12 TV's w/IR control. Go to www.channelplus.com.
post #4 of 8
Does anyone know if the Channel Plus model 2133 coax IR target that is designed to work with the Channel Plus "All in One" modulators will work with other company's products like this "IR Signal Coaxial Cable Splitter/Injector" http://www.smarthome.com/8195.html. It looks like this is really the xantech CPL10 coupler based on this document http://www.smarthome.com/manuals/8195.pdf. I have an extra one of these IR targets and some extra emitters lying around and wonder if I could put them to good use with one of these CPL10 couplers. Thanks in advance.

Jay
post #5 of 8
I prefer the Xantech products over the ChannelPlus products. The device you need is the Xantech 172-94 or commonly known as the Xtra Link2. It comes with an IR receiver, a coupler, injector and power supply. The instruction manual explains everything complete with diagrams. The Xantech site has excellect tutorials and even the product manuals and application tips for your perusal. Go to www.xantech.com and select their Products then select the IR Receivers and look for the Xtra Link2. Its all there. For each additional location you only need the Xtra Link2 Xpansion kit 172-94X. This comes with the IR receiver and injector and power supply. All other TVs use this device. Also if you are using a splitter that does not DC block then you will need some DC blockers to prevent the IR signal from going down the "wrong path". They are cheap and easy to put on. Just attach them to the splitter port which does not have an IR receiver system connected to its TV.

Channel Plus is OK but if you only want to pass IR signals those devices are overkill. They will cost you several hundred dollars but they do provide TV signal modulation and amplification. If you do not need these features then you do not want to pay for them.

Good Luck.
post #6 of 8
Thread Starter 
I ordered the discontinued Sony MRD-D1 which is supposedly the same as the ChannelPlus kit. I had planned on ordering this anyway since I need a modulator that can broadcast on something other than 3 or 4. I have an MTS encoder that works on 3 but I also want to broadcast my other DirecTiVo on a different channel.

I have a feeling that the IR capabilities of the box aren't going to work right for the way my house is set up (the ChannelPlus box wants you to connect TVs directly to the outputs rather than split the outputs). Of course, my DirecTiVo is not located at a "central location", so I still may need to go with the Xantech kit for the IR stuff. I could move it there I suppose, but then I'd lose S-Video quality. I'll just have to play around with it and find out.

Does anyone know if the Xantech IR bypass kit works with the IR output of the ChannelPlus boxes? It looks like they both use DC but I can't really find any information about the ChannelPlus IR transmission protocol.
post #7 of 8
Jay,
The 5 Volt IR system of the 2133 is not compatible with the xantech CPL10.

DJRobX,
The bypass kit should work OK with the MRD-D1.

Regarding the IR repeating confusion ... Xantech has their product manuals on their site, http://www.xantech.com. Our IR products are located at http://www.channelplus.com/coax_pan.htm and
http://www.channelplus.com/Allinone.htm

A document explaining the basics of IR repeating is something we could use but haven't found time for.


The 5 volt IR of the SONY MRD-D1 / ChannelPlus 3025 was designed to be a closed system. It is not intended to be used other than is described in the manuals. Because of this, it is lower priced and easier to use (if you play by the rules.)

The 12 volt IR system of Xantech (we also sell some products that interface coax to Xantech targets) is intended to be a very versatile, open system used by custom installers. Each system is expected to be unique. You pay for this versatility and novices may find it more difficult to use.
post #8 of 8
Thread Starter 
Marvelous. The Xantech DC bypass kit DOES in fact work correctly with the Sony MRD-D1/ChannelPlus targets.

The quality of the MR-D1 is fantastic. So good that I actually took the DirecTiVo out of the bedroom and now it lives in the garage along with the modulator. This way I can use the built in amplifier as intended with the outputs going to the various rooms, rather than trying to transmit the RF back down the line and split it out.

At the moment I have two DirecTiVos. One is directly connected to the HT system, the other is shared in all the rooms (including the HT room).

Here's how it's hooked up. I have a stacked DBS signal going from the LNB to a stacker. From that stacker, I go into a diplexer. I then pipe in the output of the MR-D1 into the DC bypass kit. Then from the output of the DC byass to the ANT-IN of the diplexer. Then, on the output of the diplexer, I merge the IR/RF back in. This is necessary because the diplexer expects to pass DC on the SAT signal, not the ANT signal.

At the other end I reverse it. From the output, to another IR bypass kit, to the diplexer, from the ant, to the IR combiner, to the ChannelPlus kit, to the TV's ANT-in. I tried just connecting the ChannelPlus IR target to the incoming stacked SAT signal but it apparently can't pass those high frequencies.

I'm contemplating cracking open the diplexer to see if it can't be "re-wired" to pass the DC to the other side, that would eliminate all of the DC bypassing I've been having to do. Normally the DC is reserved for LNB selection in a sat system, but on a stacked signal, DC is not used, leaving it free for me to fool around with IR distribution.

I also picked up a ChannelPlus 5601 stereo modulator. I was skeptical that such a thing would function (it seems bizzare that it can add in a MTS signal to a mono modulator through the A/V cables). The dip switch settings for the Sony MR-D1 seem to be different than the 3025. The 3025 settings result in very poor stereo separation. The "D-series" setting works perfectly, though.

Thanks for the help guys, this stuff works great :)
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