Denon DVD3800BDCI Owner's Thread - Page 8

Thanks, I missed your original comments. I'll go back and correct the ANSWERS post on page 6.
--Bob

Bob,

On 1a) does this mean that the 3800 cannot convert SD dvd's to output at 1080p/24? I'm very suprised at this since the Reon in the XA2 does just that? Am I reading that wrong?

The report we had here is that if the 3800 is set to 1080p/24 output for BD playback and you play a standard DVD then it automatically switches to 1080p/60 output with no apparent option to avoid that.

This may also have been due to the player deciding the content on that particular standard DVD was "video-based" instead of "film-based", since the manual states it will automatically switch to 1080p60 if the contents of the disc are not appropriate for 1080p/24 output.

As with all these reports, it is early days yet, and we may discover that the early reports are incorrect. That's why I'm trying to collect these ANSWERS so that people can find them, and confirm or refute them.
--Bob

Hi.
Can the 3800 display the Bitrate of the audio track like the PS3?
Cheers.

+1


I would be surprised to see Paramount using PCM, but TureHD I think you can count on

Although you have to count me in as one who thought the HD DVD was pretty spectacular in terms of both pix and sound.

And in keeping with the 3800 discussion, has anyone yet confirmed if the unit is properly passing PCM LFE?

I gave up.. I bought a Sony S500 (no DTS MA but everything else - DD+, DTS HD, TRUE HD) and will wait things out until someone comes out with a player that has everything. The fact that this player won't output analog video when playing 1080P24 was the deal breaker for me. But no DD+ or HR?? Is this true? It is like the high end features are coming to market piece meal. The Denon looks like a superb player form the reviews that are coming in but it seems some vital features were left out.

My 3800 should be here this week (my A/V contacts suck), but I got a really good deal.

Now I am curious about DTS-HR & DD+. From I've read the 3800 won't decode these to PCM. But is this even when using HDMI? And can it bitstream DTS-HR & DD+? I hope so, since the 2500 apparently can..

Jeff.. I think it's hardly conclusive that the player won't decode DTS-HD HR... I am awaiting confirmation, but I don't think you can build a MA decoder that won't also process the HR extension also...

But it is very surprising to me that the player will not output an analog stream for people who need monitoring in a separate equipment room.. weird.

I'm still hoping that you will be able to hear the new Denon pre and give us a comparison in SQ to your current setup...

My point is or I would expect if one is so into it to make time to post questions and answers why not just buy a unit and do the research?

I have just started reading the on-line owner's manual as I should have one of these players this week. I will be using HDMI for the video to my projector and a digital cable for audio to my processor. Am I reading correctly that I will not be able to utilize any of the advanced audio streams with this connection?

Yes.

Steve.. you either need an HDMI connection or the analog outputs hooked up to your processor to hear the decoded advanced codecs.

Isn't this the whole point of the forum?

Maybe NON owners are being cautious about how they spend their hard earned $$$$. Many people already became over excited about this new technology and purchased units that never should have been released.

Personally I'll probably buy an entry level BD unit just to play with it but I am in contact with Joseph Chow at component plus and he will upgrade my Pioneer DV59-AVi DVD player which is already very good. This will give me a year or so to see what shakes out in BluRay home theater.

outputting analog video (composite-video) while playing 1080P24 is hardly a [vital] feature- in-general. I would change other things around to make things work instead of going for a lesser player.

I guess it is. I should buy a unit and then answer everyone's questions and PMs... Over and over again... This is the owners thread so why are NON owners over here asking question after question... I thought that was what the discussion thread was for... I guess I will just stick with that thread...

I guess it is time to upgrade my processor as it has neither HDMI switching or 7.1 analog inputs. Now to decide which one.

joerod, if your comments were made to me, I was just trying to help...

In defense of Denon..
-The manual states it will not be able to output another video signal while using 1080p/24.
-It also states it will not decode dts high resolution.

As has been noted, the manual is silent on whether DTS-MA (not just DTS core) is available over the analogue audio outputs.

How could anyone prove that what they are hearing over the analogues is in fact unadulterated DTS-MA rather than just DTS core ? Quite honestly, I would like to know how, and I would happily drop my skepitcism if it could be explained to me .

The easiest way, I suspect, is to see if you are getting audio on the rear channels of the 7.1 analog outs. The Core DTS is 5.1 max without some sort of audio post-processing (to create the 2 rear channels) that the player won't be doing.
--Bob

There would have to be a 6.1 or 7.1 masters track. If it comes out 5.1 its the core.

you can't use digital (optical or coax) for new HD audio codec's, that's an across-the-board ("universal") reality, not just a Denon issue.

Hey, didn't mean to "waste your time"......but the problem is spending a couple hundred dollars more that may/may not be the solution to something that shouldn't be a problem anyway(!)

Bottom line: This player has HDMI connectivity issues with Onkyo 705 receiver.....buyer beware

Joerod, alot of us NON owners are potential owners and would like some more info before taking the jump. I am considering this unit, but I will NOT continue my research on it (and trying to find a good deal) until there is confirmation on the PCM LFE one way or another. If one of you 3800 owners could do this quick and simple test, it would be great as I (and I assume a few other who are interested in this unit) could either go forward with a possible purchase or discard the unit.


Then I will move my question over there. Did not think it was out of line to ask this simple question that is a very valid concern in light of the BD30/2500 having it (had it in case of the 30 as 1.6 FW fixed the issue for the 30).

Sell the Onkyo.. Isn't is fraction of the price and a lesser piece than the 3800? Why ditch the better part of your system?

It would have been nice to have DTS-HD lossy, but, let's face it, the best formats are lossless and I'm glad that the 3800bd can decode DTS-MA, TrueHD, and play LPCM - that covers ALL of the lossless formats available! (and BTW is the first to do so too!). Also, who's to say DTS-HD lossy won't be addressed in the future with a F/W update. AFAIC, they addressed the must-have formats first and I'm glad.

DTS-HD and especially dd+ seem to be far less used than the lossless formats on BD anyway. If I use a disc with one of those formats I'll just matrix the core out to 7.1 using PLIIx and still be a happy camper.

I had the Samsung 5000 and it was the exact opposite - it had DTS-HD but no lossless(although lossless was promised). I'd much rather be in this boat with the 3800bd than the former...

(expecting my 3800bd this Wednesday)

+1

Cool then. I will just let the NON owners discuss the 3800... Have fun... While I go hit play on an actual remote for a 3800...