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post #211 of 6642
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Originally Posted by bogies4 View Post

As I stated in my original post. The 3800 DOES have complete picture settings available during BD playback. Press the MODE button on the remopte and you will have access to Brightness, contrast, White/Black level, a very detailed Gamma adjustment, IRE setting, sharpness and more.

Thanks, I missed your original comments. I'll go back and correct the ANSWERS post on page 6.
--Bob
post #212 of 6642
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

In addition to the subjective picture/audio quality evaluations, there are specific objective questions that have been raised, some from the review of the manual. Perhaps some of the folks with units can help knock these down:

==== DENON 3800 Q/A =============

1) Forced 1080p/24 mode for aid with certain displays? ANSWERED: NO

1a) Conversion of 480i/60 standard DVDs with film-based content to 1080p/24 output? ANSWERED: NO

Bob,

On 1a) does this mean that the 3800 cannot convert SD dvd's to output at 1080p/24? I'm very suprised at this since the Reon in the XA2 does just that? Am I reading that wrong?
post #213 of 6642
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Originally Posted by anairns View Post

Bob,

On 1a) does this mean that the 3800 cannot convert SD dvd's to output at 1080p/24? I'm very suprised at this since the Reon in the XA2 does just that? Am I reading that wrong?

The report we had here is that if the 3800 is set to 1080p/24 output for BD playback and you play a standard DVD then it automatically switches to 1080p/60 output with no apparent option to avoid that.

This may also have been due to the player deciding the content on that particular standard DVD was "video-based" instead of "film-based", since the manual states it will automatically switch to 1080p60 if the contents of the disc are not appropriate for 1080p/24 output.

As with all these reports, it is early days yet, and we may discover that the early reports are incorrect. That's why I'm trying to collect these ANSWERS so that people can find them, and confirm or refute them.
--Bob
post #214 of 6642
Hi.
Can the 3800 display the Bitrate of the audio track like the PS3?
Cheers.
post #215 of 6642
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Originally Posted by townofturley View Post

This really surprises me. DD+ and DTS HD HR can sound really excellent. I expect that many can't really hear that much of a difference between HR and MA.

I wouldn't hesitate for a second to buy a movie I really like that only had DD+ or HR. I would think that most movie lovers would agree.

+1

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Originally Posted by RBFC View Post

An industry insider on another forum stated that Transformers would get an AVC encode on a BD50 with uncompressed PCM as the soundtrack. I hope this is true. Paramount could make a very positive statement about their support for BD by doing this release justice.

Lee

I would be surprised to see Paramount using PCM, but TureHD I think you can count on

Although you have to count me in as one who thought the HD DVD was pretty spectacular in terms of both pix and sound.

And in keeping with the 3800 discussion, has anyone yet confirmed if the unit is properly passing PCM LFE?
post #216 of 6642
I gave up.. I bought a Sony S500 (no DTS MA but everything else - DD+, DTS HD, TRUE HD) and will wait things out until someone comes out with a player that has everything. The fact that this player won't output analog video when playing 1080P24 was the deal breaker for me. But no DD+ or HR?? Is this true? It is like the high end features are coming to market piece meal. The Denon looks like a superb player form the reviews that are coming in but it seems some vital features were left out.
post #217 of 6642
My 3800 should be here this week (my A/V contacts suck), but I got a really good deal.

Now I am curious about DTS-HR & DD+. From I've read the 3800 won't decode these to PCM. But is this even when using HDMI? And can it bitstream DTS-HR & DD+? I hope so, since the 2500 apparently can..
post #218 of 6642
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

I gave up.. I bought a Sony S500 (no DTS MA but everything else - DD+, DTS HD, TRUE HD) and will wait things out until someone comes out with a player that has everything. The fact that this player won't output analog video when playing 1080P24 was the deal breaker for me. But no DD+ or HR?? Is this true? It is like the high end features are coming to market piece meal. The Denon looks like a superb player form the reviews that are coming in but it seems some vital features were left out.

Jeff.. I think it's hardly conclusive that the player won't decode DTS-HD HR... I am awaiting confirmation, but I don't think you can build a MA decoder that won't also process the HR extension also...

But it is very surprising to me that the player will not output an analog stream for people who need monitoring in a separate equipment room.. weird.

I'm still hoping that you will be able to hear the new Denon pre and give us a comparison in SQ to your current setup...
post #219 of 6642
My point is or I would expect if one is so into it to make time to post questions and answers why not just buy a unit and do the research?
post #220 of 6642
I have just started reading the on-line owner's manual as I should have one of these players this week. I will be using HDMI for the video to my projector and a digital cable for audio to my processor. Am I reading correctly that I will not be able to utilize any of the advanced audio streams with this connection?
post #221 of 6642
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Originally Posted by Steve Henry View Post

I have just started reading the on-line owner's manual as I should have one of these players this week. I will be using HDMI for the video to my projector and a digital cable for audio to my processor. Am I reading correctly that I will not be able to utilize any of the advanced audio streams with this connection?

Yes.
post #222 of 6642
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Originally Posted by Steve Henry View Post

I have just started reading the on-line owner's manual as I should have one of these players this week. I will be using HDMI for the video to my projector and a digital cable for audio to my processor. Am I reading correctly that I will not be able to utilize any of the advanced audio streams with this connection?

Steve.. you either need an HDMI connection or the analog outputs hooked up to your processor to hear the decoded advanced codecs.
post #223 of 6642
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

My point is or I would expect if one is so into it to make time to post questions and answers why not just buy a unit and do the research?

Isn't this the whole point of the forum?
post #224 of 6642
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

And I just love how all the NON owners here are starting question posts about the 3800. Most of the owners are to busy enjoying their new unit.

Maybe NON owners are being cautious about how they spend their hard earned $$$$. Many people already became over excited about this new technology and purchased units that never should have been released.

Personally I'll probably buy an entry level BD unit just to play with it but I am in contact with Joseph Chow at component plus and he will upgrade my Pioneer DV59-AVi DVD player which is already very good. This will give me a year or so to see what shakes out in BluRay home theater.
post #225 of 6642
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

it seems some vital features were left out

outputting analog video (composite-video) while playing 1080P24 is hardly a [vital] feature- in-general. I would change other things around to make things work instead of going for a lesser player.
post #226 of 6642
I guess it is. I should buy a unit and then answer everyone's questions and PMs... Over and over again... This is the owners thread so why are NON owners over here asking question after question... I thought that was what the discussion thread was for... I guess I will just stick with that thread...
post #227 of 6642
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Steve.. you either need an HDMI connection or the analog outputs hooked up to your processor to hear the decoded advanced codecs.

I guess it is time to upgrade my processor as it has neither HDMI switching or 7.1 analog inputs. Now to decide which one.
post #228 of 6642
joerod, if your comments were made to me, I was just trying to help...

In defense of Denon..
-The manual states it will not be able to output another video signal while using 1080p/24.
-It also states it will not decode dts high resolution.
post #229 of 6642
As has been noted, the manual is silent on whether DTS-MA (not just DTS core) is available over the analogue audio outputs.

How could anyone prove that what they are hearing over the analogues is in fact unadulterated DTS-MA rather than just DTS core ? Quite honestly, I would like to know how, and I would happily drop my skepitcism if it could be explained to me .
post #230 of 6642
Thread Starter 
I feel that there is a huge difference between asking a question about a feature/setting of the unit and behaving exasperated when a new owner hasn't gotten to your question yet.

Overall, I believe that this is the finest BD player yet released. It has idiosyncrasies that must be understood like most electronic gear. Certainly, some features (or lack of same) will irritate a subset of the membership, and that's just the way it is.

Please post questions once, and as the new ownership base increases, those questions will most likely be addressed. Not every new owner has all the components and setup to answer some inquiries.

Lee
post #231 of 6642
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Originally Posted by tausifs View Post

As has been noted, the manual is silent on whether DTS-MA (not just DTS core) is available over the analogue audio outputs.

How could anyone prove that what they are hearing over the analogues is in fact unadulterated DTS-MA rather than just DTS core ? Quite honestly, I would like to know how, and I would happily drop my skepitcism if it could be explained to me .

If you hear back surround information during DTS-HD/MA 7.1 playback, you are hearing the full lossless audio. The core is only 5.1. Just be sure that any matrixing in your receiver is shut off.

Notice that I didn't base this decision on anyone's (certain to be challenged by posts such as this) auditory acuity.

Lee
post #232 of 6642
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Originally Posted by tausifs View Post

As has been noted, the manual is silent on whether DTS-MA (not just DTS core) is available over the analogue audio outputs.

How could anyone prove that what they are hearing over the analogues is in fact unadulterated DTS-MA rather than just DTS core ? Quite honestly, I would like to know how, and I would happily drop my skepitcism if it could be explained to me .

The easiest way, I suspect, is to see if you are getting audio on the rear channels of the 7.1 analog outs. The Core DTS is 5.1 max without some sort of audio post-processing (to create the 2 rear channels) that the player won't be doing.
--Bob
post #233 of 6642
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Originally Posted by tausifs View Post

As has been noted, the manual is silent on whether DTS-MA (not just DTS core) is available over the analogue audio outputs.

How could anyone prove that what they are hearing over the analogues is in fact unadulterated DTS-MA rather than just DTS core ? Quite honestly, I would like to know how, and I would happily drop my skepitcism if it could be explained to me .

There would have to be a 6.1 or 7.1 masters track. If it comes out 5.1 its the core.
post #234 of 6642
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Originally Posted by Steve Henry View Post

I will be using HDMI for the video to my projector and a digital cable for audio to my processor. Am I reading correctly that I will not be able to utilize any of the advanced audio streams with this connection?

you can't use digital (optical or coax) for new HD audio codec's, that's an across-the-board ("universal") reality, not just a Denon issue.
post #235 of 6642
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Geez dtsguy, you are selling yours because your 705 onkyo receiver does not handshake well with it? I gave you a perfect workaround answering all of your PMs (5 or 6) yesterday. Thanks for wasting my time...

Hey, didn't mean to "waste your time"......but the problem is spending a couple hundred dollars more that may/may not be the solution to something that shouldn't be a problem anyway(!)

Bottom line: This player has HDMI connectivity issues with Onkyo 705 receiver.....buyer beware
post #236 of 6642
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

And I just love how all the NON owners here are starting question posts about the 3800. Most of the owners are to busy enjoying their new unit.

Joerod, alot of us NON owners are potential owners and would like some more info before taking the jump. I am considering this unit, but I will NOT continue my research on it (and trying to find a good deal) until there is confirmation on the PCM LFE one way or another. If one of you 3800 owners could do this quick and simple test, it would be great as I (and I assume a few other who are interested in this unit) could either go forward with a possible purchase or discard the unit.

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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I guess it is. I should buy a unit and then answer everyone's questions and PMs... Over and over again... This is the owners thread so why are NON owners over here asking question after question... I thought that was what the discussion thread was for... I guess I will just stick with that thread...

Then I will move my question over there. Did not think it was out of line to ask this simple question that is a very valid concern in light of the BD30/2500 having it (had it in case of the 30 as 1.6 FW fixed the issue for the 30).
post #237 of 6642
Sell the Onkyo.. Isn't is fraction of the price and a lesser piece than the 3800? Why ditch the better part of your system?
post #238 of 6642
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Originally Posted by shamus View Post

I guess I just feel cheated.
Regardless, I haven't seen any releases lately using those.

It would have been nice to have DTS-HD lossy, but, let's face it, the best formats are lossless and I'm glad that the 3800bd can decode DTS-MA, TrueHD, and play LPCM - that covers ALL of the lossless formats available! (and BTW is the first to do so too!). Also, who's to say DTS-HD lossy won't be addressed in the future with a F/W update. AFAIC, they addressed the must-have formats first and I'm glad.

DTS-HD and especially dd+ seem to be far less used than the lossless formats on BD anyway. If I use a disc with one of those formats I'll just matrix the core out to 7.1 using PLIIx and still be a happy camper.

I had the Samsung 5000 and it was the exact opposite - it had DTS-HD but no lossless(although lossless was promised). I'd much rather be in this boat with the 3800bd than the former...

(expecting my 3800bd this Wednesday)
post #239 of 6642
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Isn't this the whole point of the forum?

+1
post #240 of 6642
Cool then. I will just let the NON owners discuss the 3800... Have fun... While I go hit play on an actual remote for a 3800...
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