Denon DVD3800BDCI Owner's Thread - Page 13

An "open" question here!

Using hdmi directly into the monitor (in this case 150fd pioneer plasma).

Then coax to receiver (denon 3808 in this case) for sound.

Source 3800 denon for argument sake.

Versus 3800 hdmi to receiver - receiver hdmi to monitor.

If this where high end audio the answer would be obvious,

but with this caliber if video gear what are the trade offs - would one loose any PQ going "pass thru" the receiver? The considerations here for me are cabling costs and redundancies.

My unit won't allow me to change hdmi rgb to hdmi ybr, and that makes it impossible to change between component and hdmi , the option is greyed out, even if i only have hdmi plugged in, what can i do it is driving me crazy.

I think you need to PM Bob as he had a suggestion for you earlier on.

I'm confused by this as well. What is the difference between RGB and YCrBr? Going through manual can't seem to get thorough info on this.

It it plugged into a DVI connection?

Remember that you are using an HDMI/DVI cable so you are limited by the weakest link (in this case DVI). DVI only recognizes the RGB color space and it is not possible to select YCbCr. Only with a pure HDMI/HDMI connection would you have a choice (ie. on source end as well as display end).

As long as we're talking HDMI/DVI, can any of you using this type setup confirm whether BTB is being passed by the player?

Stopped off at local hi-fi shop to see if by chance they had any in stock. To my surprise they had one left, I guess part of me wanted them to be out so I was not tempted to purchase. Couldn't resist replacing my Samsung BDP1200. Thanks for all the preliminary reviews, they pretty much sealed the deal for getting the 3800.

I got mine set up today, and have the same problem. I have a DVI-based vide processor (Lumagen Vision Pro HDP) and display. The Lumagen has the ability to modify the EDID settings so it "broadcasts" to the source device that it can accept YCbCr. Apparently, the 3800 reads past that to the display and sends only RGB. I was able to "force" YCbCr from my Pioneer Elite BDP-HD1 Blu-ray player, but apparently the 3800 will not allow this.

Bummer.

Mark

i took your advice and changed from 7.5 to 0 IRE...great improvement (no longer "washed out". thanks
also, i am liking and appreciating the audio more with each listening session.

Using the 3800 via HDMI to Denon receiver with Sony KDS-60XBR2. For me (and i would in no way consider myself a video/audiophile) PQ improved over samsung BDP1200, which I always thought was very good. I also observer improvement with 0 IRE over 7.5

Ever since I bought into blu-ray and HD-DVD (xA2) i have been overly impressed with the SQ. This player seems to take it to even a higher level...SQ is amazing...DTS-HD MA may be worth the price of admission for me. The wife is going to kill me as it's now time to upgrade speakers and move to components.

i also changed the ire from 7.5 to 0 much better
i watched 3 movies so far and have 3 different audio formats
what are the difference?

across the universe dolby truehd multichannel 4
resident evil dolby truehd multichannel 5
spiderman 3 dolby truehd multichannel 8

i'm using analogs

I dunno. Your 3930 is brand new - and one heck of a machine - for all the reasons you cited above. If you need SACD/DVD-A playback capability - seems like you should keep it. And as you say - a Great SD-DVD back-up player w/ seamless layer changes. A shame to have to sell it. What do you think you can get for it? $600. ? $700. tops? Maybe that's not too bad if you bought it for well under MSRP.

Did I read here that other users said they could not get the setup menu to appear when in 1080p24? I got it to work for me by using the resolution button on the front of the player. However, it did not work every time for me in my setup. I have to investigate further, but wanted to report I got it to work. I will say, there was all kinds of crazy intereference, though; squiggly lines, flashing, sparkles. Once the movie started, everything was crystal clear.

Mark

Anyone confirm that standard dvd's con not be converted to 1080p/24?

for component color the IRE needs to be set at 0 and then of course you need to calibrate your display. 7.5 IRE for RGB output.

are you saying you set your DVD-3930CI IRE = 0? Also, do you set your's for RGB or YCrBr?


I think you're crazy to give up your DVD-3930CI. This is the best player of it's kind. Can't you use both players (DVD-3930CI and DVD-3800BDCI)?

I plan on keeping my DVD-3930CI forever, and use the DVD-3800BDCI for BluRay exclusively. This way I can split the duties between both players. The DVD-3930CI functions as a great dedicated CD player (as well as SACD and DVD-A), also would prefer to use it for watching SD DVD-Movies.

All my other denon players , 2920 allowed me to change hdmi output rgb, to ybcr, and i had the same connection hdmi to dvi, i have had two other top of the line denon players, i dont know why only this unit is so sensitive.

I do have a remote hdmi switch and will try blocking the input chain to tv and see it it works, doubt it though

bob parseau you are a genius. I have a geffen dvi splitter, have two dish receivers, my xa-2 and now my 3800 connected to it. so like you said i used the remote control and set my switcher to the dish receiver

I then turned off my denon player, and restarted, the player doesn't detect a hdmi to dvi connection even though the plug is still attached, and so i am able to switch to component, without disconnecting the hdmi cable, and get component input on my tv; to switch to dvi all i do is on the Mitsubishi remote switch to dvi input and switch the gefffen remote so the 3800 on my switch is active, and presto i have a dvi connection. Thank you it was so simple it should be in the maneul. Back to great picture and sound on my denon

So what takes precedence as far as speaker settings - the settings in the receiver (in my case Marantz sr8500) or the settings in the 3800bd for things like crossover?? I can set crossover in the Marantz down to 80hz(minimum) but I set it down to 60hz in the 3800bd since my Boston Acoustic speakers will go down to 52Hz. Which one would apply?

Also, I am using the 7.1 analog out and bumped up LFE to +10db on the Marantz reciever. Should I also bump up +10db in the player? Would it be +20db total if I did this or just +10?

I have the Def Tech Supercube II subwoofer. If anybody has any tips to get the best boom out of this box, I'd appreciate it!

I still can't get the 3800 to pass any signal over HDMI through my pre/pro's pass through to my JVC RS2 projector. Going direct works, but then I lose out on hi-ef audio. So, major handshake problem. I sent a PM to DenonJeff but he hasn't been on the board for over a week.

You might try Lexicon as well...

It doesn't look like there is a way to set the speaker configuration to off, if you are using multichannel out via HDMI or analog. You can probably just set all speakers to large and leave them at the default levels and delays, then calibrate using your AVR.

I unfortunately did not get to play with my toy last night. I had a meeting until 9pm then took twice as long to drive home in a near white-out, and my player was still very cold from sitting on the porch by the time I had to turn in for the evening. I may not get a chance tonight, either, as I have to do payroll.

What I understand, now, is that with the player set to "mix audio out" I will not be able to get high definition audio formats at all, even if what is currently being played has no secondary or interactive audio. Is this correct, or does it simply limit the audio output to core, if there is a secondary or interactive signal present at the time? Is typical of all BD players? It's not like button click sounds are a big deal, but it's a shame to have to keep them turned off. OTOH, I don't really care about PIP audio. It's not a feature I typically use, anyway.

Thanks. Or.. the Marantz too has a Source Direct so wouldn't it make more sense to turn that on since the 3800bd crossover can go down low enought to match my speakers better?? As long as it can be applied only to the analogs, I guess..

Same thing...
Going back in the mail......

No more Denon products for me

across the universe dolby truehd multichannel 4 = 48kHz/24-bit
resident evil dolby truehd multichannel 5 = 48kHz/20-bit???
spiderman 3 dolby truehd multichannel 8 = 48kHz/16-Bit

All audio info taken from HighDefDigest

What about for HDMI output?

Its unfortunate because going direct does throw the best BR picture I've seen -- very very clean picture.

I'll have to sell mine as a dealer demo (full warranty) if anyone is interested.