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post #6601 of 6642
Quote:
Originally Posted by allan0210 View Post

Hi folks

I have just ordered an Onkyo DB SP809 a member tells me it is common knowledge that it is the same as the Denon 3800 does any one have experiance of this please.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post21771151

Its mentioned that the unit shares Funai here
http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/t...370&sequence=1

However it stops at the BD SP808 so far i could see.

Looking at some of your posts the issues are mainly optical failures? Would many of you still buy Denon players then?

Hope you don't mind me dropping in, any help would be great

Thank you

Allan

Though it is true that the Denon 3800 was made by Funai, the closest to a clone the 3800 had was the Marantz 8002 player. The specs are identical and the Marantz users manual is nearly identical to the Denon one.

I don't believe there is an Onkyo equivalent to the 3800 as Onkyo only started making BD players well after the format war.
post #6602 of 6642
Lee, can you give approximate booting/loading times for the player and BD-J discs like the Pirates movies? Thanks.

post #6603 of 6642
Thank you.

Being honest in the past 40+ years of buying gear i have never really worried what the internal make up etc was, so it's no big deal really for me.

The player came late last night and i am very much looking forward to playing with it.

Thank you again for trying to resolve the lack of reviews from owners of this model

Best wishes

Allan
post #6604 of 6642
I posted a similar question in the Marantz BD8002 thread since the 3800 and 8002 are such close(twin) siblings....

That post is here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=722


But since there seems to be a lot more traffic in the Denon 3800 thread, I thought I'd ask the same question.

If one looks at the rear RCA outputs of the 3800/8002, along with the multi-channel 7.1 outputs, there are two RCA outputs for just "2-channel".

Along with being separate outputs, these "2-channel" jacks look significantly different(of stouter construction) and are more widely spaced than the multi-channel outputs.

This made me wonder if there was anything "special" about those "2-channel" outputs over the multi-channel outputs?

Their spacing and construction almost makes one think of Marantz's HDAM modules as they look somewhat similar in spacing as units so equipped, but I don't think any Denon products ever used HDAM?? ...and the specs for the 8002 don't mention HDAM.

Anyway, it makes one wonder why D&M made those "2-channel" RCAs different, and ostensibly their supporting circuit boards, than the multi-channel outs.

Anyone know or have a clue if the "2-channel" RCAs are anything special?

Thanks,
Al
post #6605 of 6642
Quote:
Originally Posted by al_roethlisberge View Post

I posted a similar question in the Marantz BD8002 thread since the 3800 and 8002 are such close(twin) siblings....

That post is here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=722


But since there seems to be a lot more traffic in the Denon 3800 thread, I thought I'd ask the same question.

If one looks at the rear RCA outputs of the 3800/8002, along with the multi-channel 7.1 outputs, there are two RCA outputs for just "2-channel".

Along with being separate outputs, these "2-channel" jacks look significantly different(of stouter construction) and are more widely spaced than the multi-channel outputs.

This made me wonder if there was anything "special" about those "2-channel" outputs over the multi-channel outputs?

Their spacing and construction almost makes one think of Marantz's HDAM modules as they look somewhat similar in spacing as units so equipped, but I don't think any Denon products ever used HDAM?? ...and the specs for the 8002 don't mention HDAM.

Anyway, it makes one wonder why D&M made those "2-channel" RCAs different, and ostensibly their supporting circuit boards, than the multi-channel outs.

Anyone know or have a clue if the "2-channel" RCAs are anything special?

Thanks,
Al

Simply because some 2 channel geeks can put their uber-expensive, extra large audiophile grade interconnects in quarters not so tight. Those second outputs also allow you to have a dedicated line out if you're running a great 2 ch set up in addition to a 5.1 HT set up. This player listed for $2K and putting an extra set of outputs to allow larger cabling was just what the doctor ordered for some. There is no extra set of DACs or niceties in those outputs just more substantial construction to handle larger, beefier physical connections of some high grade interconnects. Some larger interconnects can tighten around the output for a better connection less likely to come loose - and they are wider than the typical Monster Cable..
post #6606 of 6642
My 3800 with very little use seems to have gone belly up after a 5 month period of non use. I just tried Cars 2 and the Incredibles and both start to play chapter 1 for a few seconds and then flip to chapter 2 18:07 and freezes. No audio ever comes through either. Anybody else had this happen?
post #6607 of 6642
Does anyone know how to manually initialize the Denon blu ray 2012. I accidentally set the remote to remote 2 and now my remote will not work with the unit.
What idiot at Denon made it so you can not reset the remote back to remote 1.
Instead you are locked out of the player with no way to operate the the unit.
I am hoping the 2012 is similar to the 3800 in operation.
post #6608 of 6642
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Originally Posted by StevenC56 View Post

My 3800 with very little use seems to have gone belly up after a 5 month period of non use. I just tried Cars 2 and the Incredibles and both start to play chapter 1 for a few seconds and then flip to chapter 2 18:07 and freezes. No audio ever comes through either. Anybody else had this happen?

Anybody?
post #6609 of 6642

DENON DVD3800BDCI WONT DECODE DTSHD MA OVER 7.1 ANALOG HELP

Hi there,


I just purchased a refurbished Denon DVD3800bdci from Denon with firmware 1.119 and I set up the audio just as it says like this

Audio:

BD Audio Mode=HD Audio Output
HDMI Audio Out=Audio Mute
7.1 Ch Audio Out=Multi Channel
Down Sampling=OFF
DRC=OFF
Source Direct=OFF
Bass Enhancer=OFF

and when I play any title with DTSHD MA I get silence, nothing, nada, from the external input on my B&K AVR507.
BUT it does decode everything else in the player and output it over the 7.1 outputs.
What gives? Is it broken?

I searched the owners thread for this and came up with nothing on this issue. Everyone else's player WILL decode it and output it from the 7.1 jacks.
post #6610 of 6642
Quote:
Originally Posted by turbo50jeff View Post

Hi there,
I just purchased a refurbished Denon DVD3800bdci from Denon with firmware 1.119 and I set up the audio just as it says like this
Audio:
BD Audio Mode=HD Audio Output
HDMI Audio Out=Audio Mute
7.1 Ch Audio Out=Multi Channel
Down Sampling=OFF
DRC=OFF
Source Direct=OFF
Bass Enhancer=OFF
and when I play any title with DTSHD MA I get silence, nothing, nada, from the external input on my B&K AVR507.
BUT it does decode everything else in the player and output it over the 7.1 outputs.
What gives? Is it broken?
I searched the owners thread for this and came up with nothing on this issue. Everyone else's player WILL decode it and output it from the 7.1 jacks.

Hard to get answers for this unit anymore. I am a fairly new owner as well. From what you have posted your settings look fine(the same as mine) and it should work, mine has no issues playing over the analog outputs. In fact I just watched Area 51 with the kids which is DTS HD MA and it sounded great.
Good luck, hope you can exchange it if it's a faulty unit.
cheers
post #6611 of 6642
Denon says it won't decode dtshd ma. They aren't very helpful
post #6612 of 6642
I have a used 3800 I bought on ebay 6 months ago. Same exact problem. Denon tech support was useless as the reps also told me the player can not decode DTS-MA internally for analog playback. They kept telling me I needed to use HDMI for the DTSMA. So frustrating getting help from someone who has never used the 3800 and only conveys what the computer screen in front of them tells them. My player will decode all other formats and output them via analog multichannel including Dolby TrueHD, just not DTSMA. I have since upgraded my receiver to one with HDMI HD audio support. The denon can send DTSMA no problem over HDMI for the receiver to decode but still no joy via analog. I have tried reinstalling the firmware but still not change. If I come up with anything I will let you know, but it is not looking good.
post #6613 of 6642
Quote:
Originally Posted by StevenC56 View Post


Anybody?

I have had sketchy playback of some Pixar movies on my player as well.
post #6614 of 6642
As far as I know, early firmwares couldnt decode it. Try to update to the latest (you can download it with you serial number), and hopefully it solves the problem. Before, ceck your version number against the one on the denon site.
Best Regards: Gustav
post #6615 of 6642
As far as I know, early firmwares couldnt decode it. Try to update to the latest (you can download it with you serial number), and hopefully it solves the problem. Before, ceck your version number against the one on the denon site.
Best Regards: Gustav
post #6616 of 6642
Thanks for the tip. I updated the firmware but still have no luck with DTS-MA over analog or converted to PCM over HDMI, it does get sent as bitmap via HDMI and can be decoded by my processor.
post #6617 of 6642
Has anybody been able to get an answer from Denon as to any new firmware updates? The newest release is a couple years old at least. Mine won't play a few random discs at all. Most of the time is works OK. Denon just seems to be lacking in the support area-Enough that I doubt I will buy another one of their products again.
post #6618 of 6642
Quote:
Originally Posted by StevenC56 View Post

Has anybody been able to get an answer from Denon as to any new firmware updates? The newest release is a couple years old at least. Mine won't play a few random discs at all. Most of the time is works OK. Denon just seems to be lacking in the support area-Enough that I doubt I will buy another one of their products again.

I haven't found a disc that won't play, but I don't watch alot of movies. What discs do you have troube with in the 3800?

Mark
post #6619 of 6642
Quote:
Originally Posted by giomania View Post

I haven't found a disc that won't play, but I don't watch alot of movies. What discs do you have troube with in the 3800?

Mark

Some Disney titles and USA/Canadian Blu Ray versions of Harry Potter movies that play in every other player we have including sub $100 Samsung and LG units, so they should play.
post #6620 of 6642
Quote:
Originally Posted by StevenC56 View Post

Some Disney titles and USA/Canadian Blu Ray versions of Harry Potter movies that play in every other player we have including sub $100 Samsung and LG units, so they should play.

Can you name a few of the Disney titles which have caused problems on your 3800? If I have them, I can try it on mine.

Mark
post #6621 of 6642
I thought the 3800 could always decode DTS-MA over analog???? confused.gif I still have one in a bedroom system but haven't used it in a long while.
post #6622 of 6642
I had the 3800 in my system for a year and had no problem in decoding DTS-HD. I see you have HDMI Audio Out set to mute. The manual says setting to mute sets up the digital out. In most players digital bumps analog. Setting to HDMI Multi LPCM may work.
post #6623 of 6642
I just bought a avr4308ci to replace my bk avr507. It's not working properly with my dvd3800bdci. I'm using component video with my old elite730hdi through the reciever and one hdmi for sound. But when I go into the setup menu it says hdmi audio mute. When I try to change it to bitstream or lpcm it just kicks it back out and still says hdmi audio mute. I assume because the tv is not connected hdmi because it doesn't have it. It won't work because its looking for the tv to compete the loop
post #6624 of 6642
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Originally Posted by turbo50jeff View Post

I just bought a avr4308ci to replace my bk avr507. It's not working properly with my dvd3800bdci. I'm using component video with my old elite730hdi through the reciever and one hdmi for sound. But when I go into the setup menu it says hdmi audio mute. When I try to change it to bitstream or lpcm it just kicks it back out and still says hdmi audio mute. I assume because the tv is not connected hdmi because it doesn't have it. It won't work because its looking for the tv to compete the loop

Yes. HDMI needs a 'sink' at the end of the line. Many modern SSPs and receivers can act as such but a video display does, too. A workaround is to buy a HDFURY HDMI to analog converter. That would solve it (plugging it into the HDMI out of your receiver). This was an issue with older equipment. I had to buy a HDFURY for such a reason years ago when I had an unusual set up.

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post #6625 of 6642
It's been at least a couple of years since I've posted or even read anything here, since my 3800 and associated equipment have all been working great. I have one of the early serial number 3800s, and if i remember correctly, it was sent back a few months after I purchased it (in the spring of 2008, I think) for a laser upgrade and other work. It was still under warranty. I upgraded the firmware a few times, and it is currently running 1.122.

Recently, after playing a disc for around an hour or so, the video disappears and the TV screen displays a green, flickering/pusating checkerboard pattern. There are no problems with the audio.If I unplug the HDMI cable from the player and then reconnect it, the picture will reappear for awhile, but after a few minutes the green checkerboard will appear again. I've connected it to another TV and used a different HDMI cable with the same results, so I've narrowed it down to the player itself.

I briefly searched this thread, but couldn't find any info on anything similar; has anyone experienced this, and if so, what can be done about it? It's an expensive player, but rather than do an expensive repair on a nearly six year old unit that lacks some of features newer players have, I'm inclined to put the money toward a new Oppo player instead.

I'm just wondering if there is anything else that can be done--thanks in advance for any info anyone can provide.
post #6626 of 6642
I have a practically brand new one sitting in its original box. It has very low hours.........maybe played 6 blurays? I'm thinking about selling it, but then I'm sure you'd rather put that money towards the oppo.
post #6627 of 6642
Thanks for the offer, but, you're right--I have already purchased the Oppo, and installed in my system. I'm extremely happy with it so far. Hopefully I can find someone who is interested and capable of getting the 3800 repaired.
post #6628 of 6642
Well my DVD3800DB suddenly gave up today. It won't play any disc anymore, be it BD, DVD or even CD.

I guess the laser assembly might be at fault, I have found a replacement online for around US $65.

Does anyone have experience at replacing these yourself ?
post #6629 of 6642
I had a 3800BDCI in my system before and had it connected to my Krell processor by way of 7.1 analog connection. Never had any problem in passing DTS Master or HD Audio. It's something in your settings. Try changing HDMI Audio Out to one of the other settings other than "Audio Mute". As I remember "Audio Mute" changes audio from HDMI to Digital. Digital will take priority over Analog, so you would not get any sound from your 7.1 connection, only from either optical or coax. Give it a try.



I just purchased a refurbished Denon DVD3800bdci from Denon with firmware 1.119 and I set up the audio just as it says like this

Audio:

BD Audio Mode=HD Audio Output
HDMI Audio Out=Audio Mute
7.1 Ch Audio Out=Multi Channel
Down Sampling=OFF
DRC=OFF
Source Direct=OFF
Bass Enhancer=OFF

and when I play any title with DTSHD MA I get silence, nothing, nada, from the external input on my B&K AVR507.
BUT it does decode everything else in the player and output it over the 7.1 outputs.
What gives? Is it broken?

I searched the owners thread for this and came up with nothing on this issue. Everyone else's player WILL decode it and output it from the 7.1 jacks.[/quote]
post #6630 of 6642
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike25690 View Post

It's been at least a couple of years since I've posted or even read anything here, since my 3800 and associated equipment have all been working great. I have one of the early serial number 3800s, and if i remember correctly, it was sent back a few months after I purchased it (in the spring of 2008, I think) for a laser upgrade and other work. It was still under warranty. I upgraded the firmware a few times, and it is currently running 1.122.

Recently, after playing a disc for around an hour or so, the video disappears and the TV screen displays a green, flickering/pusating checkerboard pattern. There are no problems with the audio.If I unplug the HDMI cable from the player and then reconnect it, the picture will reappear for awhile, but after a few minutes the green checkerboard will appear again. I've connected it to another TV and used a different HDMI cable with the same results, so I've narrowed it down to the player itself.

I briefly searched this thread, but couldn't find any info on anything similar; has anyone experienced this, and if so, what can be done about it? It's an expensive player, but rather than do an expensive repair on a nearly six year old unit that lacks some of features newer players have, I'm inclined to put the money toward a new Oppo player instead.

I'm just wondering if there is anything else that can be done--thanks in advance for any info anyone can provide.

Mine just started doing that as well. Have you figured anything out?
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