Denon DVD3800BDCI Owner's Thread - Page 25

Thanks for the reply. That's actually the first thing I did, and there is no sound from the back speakers. Does anyone have Pan Labyrinth to test this out? Because thats the only DTS-MA 7.1 disc I have, and I don't know if there's something wrong with my settings, player, or if it's some kind of bug that needs to be fixed.

As far as the new 7.1 recordings: Are these new 7.1 mixes made for discrete sides and discrete surrounds? (Just like you'd expect for 7.1?) Are you supposed to have the two rear surrounds close to each other on the back center wall or spread in the far back corners?

Jeff, I assume they meant full decoding of all 7.1 channels from Lossless (DD True HD or DTS Master HD) to PCM 7.1, that is all....

I'm confused, is there an LFE bug or what? If we use HDMI (PCM) audio is there some discrepancy with LFE levels?

This was in response to the decoding of DD+ and DTS HR.

Good to know. Looks like decoding to LPCM is complete. Fix the 24P issue and LFE bug nd I'm happy as man eating a clam!

Well, THX recommends the two back speakers to be placed behind the listener, close together, for their ASA technology, which will matrix in the back speakers on 5.1 sources. However, with 7.1 discrete sources, you should place the speakers behind you (of course), apart from each other, and angled towards you, in a position much like the front L/R speakers. And the surround speakers on the side, of course.

New owner here. I overcame my misgivings and took a leap...and what a leap it is!

Current setup:
1) Pioneer Elite Pro1130HD
2) Pioneer Elite 84 receiver
3) Denon 3800 via HDMI only
4) 5.1 surround speaker setup

Compared to the previous settings for the PS3, I had to decrease brightness a ton and was able to increase contrast even more and the picture just pops!
I played SpderMan 3 TrueHD track and Kingdom of Heaven DTS-HD MA. I must say that DTS-HD MA is in line with the PCM I've heard in the past and not exactly knocking my socks off. Currently outputting LPCM to my HDMI 1.2 receiver so I know it's getting the uncompressed PCM.

I ran DVE using the internal decoder and can confirm that LFE is about 5 dB too low compared to other channels. When I change back to bistream, the LFE is back to normal. Bummer. Hopefully firmware will fix as I had to go through this issue with my receiver a while back.

Whoever said they couldn't get into Sony's calibration screens may not have done it correctly. I hit 7669 and right after pressing '9', I got the screens (with the PS3, I had to hit enter after typing 7669).

I also plan to connect to my DVI projector and analog audio to my Rotel this weekend. Thanks to all who contributed. Just paying it forward now.

Yea, I'm always happiest when eating clam....

It shouldn't say PCM on your receiver, it should say dts ma. Do you have audio set to normal or PCM?

The Gramophone in Birmingham is supposed to have some on order. A previous post indicated that 6ave.com had some. I ordered mine from them on 3/15, and it should be arriving tomorrow. I didn't feel like waiting. I can't wait to try it out. I'll give my impressions on how it performs with my analog setup.

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interesting, thanks for answering my question for me. Are you using DVE-Pro?

I'm curious, can you use "SOURCE DIRECT" with the DVD-3800BDCI HDMI audio?

On the other 3800 thread, someone asked about the layer change delay, and mentioned the following: "LAYER CHANGE!!!??? Why is this? Did DenonJeff not asure us that this would be a non issue? My 2900 was impeccable in this regard. This really is unacceptable at this price range."
I do not recall this being discussed here, at least lately, but it is certainly possible that I missed it. Since I am just about to pull the trigger on the 3800, I was wondering what owners have noticed in regard to how it handles layer changes compared with other BD and SD players. Thanks.

I thought I read (in the "discussion" thread) that there was a .5sec layer-change delay in the SD DVD playback.

I know I did it right, and it did not work. It gave me the circle with the line through it when I started entering the numbers.


Mark

You had to decrease brightness a ton because Denon defaults to 7.5 IRE instead of "0 IRE" If you like you can change this in the Realta menu "setup level" and put your brightness back to normal.

Yes there is. As far as I know - NO BD player released yet has seamless SD layer changes as has some previous SD Denons and Oppos.

Unfortunately I don't connect via HDMI. I was playing around with it last weekend and turned on the source direct and could not tell any sonic difference. (at least not with the BD that was playing). I presume it only works for analogs since if connecting via HDMI, the receiver will be your control point for speaker settings. I am not sure what advantage one would have even using source direct (anyone is welcome to chime in with their thoughts). Turning the source direct on will disable all the speaker adjustments on the denon 3800. I read somewhere you will hear the recording as it was meant to be heard...? (if that makes any sense)

The correction page inserted with the manual states exactly that.

I'm using the normal DVE and not "Pro."

I will give the "SOURCE DIRECT" a try. This is my understanding of SOURCE DIRECT: with "SOURCE DIRECT" on, I will get the unadulterated soundtrack straight to my receiver. With it off, the speaker sizes chosen will dictate how the LFE is redirected to the subwoofer based on crossover in the 3800. Is this correct?

Sorry, my wording came out negative.

Which Sony BD did you try and did you try in the main menu?

I used SpiderMan 3 and "7669" works with the screen popping up after hitting '9.'

Ditto. My 2200 won't see bedroom duty for quite some time, apparently.

I'm talking about when I have the 3800 decode the 7.1 DTS-MA soundtrack on Pans Labyrinth, and send the PCM to my 9.8 The 3800 shows DTS-Master but my 9.8 only shows 5.1 PCM. I have the 3800 set to 'HD-Audio' and the output set to 'LPCM'.

I forgot I have X-Men The Last Stand, which is DTS-MA 6.1. So I tested that, the 3800 decoded it, and it shows 7.1 PCM on my 9.8, which I assume is normal, even though it's a 6.1 soundtrack. Anyway, at least I get the back channels that way. Either way, it's no biggie to me, since I can just bitstream.

So, just to let folks know that there may be something wrong with the decoding of 7.1 DTS-MA on Pans Labyrinth, and sending the PCM over HDMI. Since the 3800 is the first and only player that can actually decode DTS-MA, there's really no way to tell, but I am betting that it's just something with Pans Labyrinth, since other 7.1 discs seem to be decoded fine.

IRE was not even an option for me since I'm running the YCbCr colorspace through HDMI. Should I be converting to RGB, adjust IRE, and then switch back to YCbCr? I thought YCbCr is preferable when given the choice. My plasma supports it through HDMI.

Many options are grayed out for me under YCbCr.

Here's a link that was given to me that is dedicated to Denon's Blu-ray models: http://www.usa.denon.com/beyond/index2.html
It gives some details on how they are constructed.

I used "The Fifth Element" Blu-ray disc. From the main menu, I just entered "7669". When I start entering the numbers, the little circle with a line through it appears in the upper right-hand corner of the screen.

Is that the same process you went through? If so, it is strange that it worked for you and not for me.

Thanks.

Mark

You won't find the picture settings in the setup menu. You need to press the "mode" button until you bring up the picture adjustment menu. Setting the IRE to zero almost certainly will solve your problem, although recalibrating with your IRE at 7.5 should be no different.

and I get the same results i.e. it works on SM3 and does not work on Fifth Element. Are we sure the test patterns are on the FE disc?

Make sure you are truly at the main menu and not on a set up or special features tab. 7669 only works from the true main menu, not a sub-menu.