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post #121 of 1583
I'd like to see a pre-amp with HT bypass, excellent DAC and built in x-over/bass management system so you could run 2.2, 2.1 or do a legit bi-amp.
post #122 of 1583
Agreed, A pre-amp with ht bypass, with all of the features of the ps audio, & include a flash card/usb player opton, a phono input & a decent remote.
post #123 of 1583
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Originally Posted by WYRED 4 SOUND View Post

That's not too much to ask for. Notes taken.

BTW: We have corrected the "nightlight" to be VERY dim when in stand-by. There is 1 resistor you could clip out if you would like to eliminate that feature, and feel up to it.

We plan to have a HT bypass for sure.

Thank You,

EJ Sarmento
sales@wyred4sound.com
www.wyred4sound.com


"clip out" Is that perminant fix? Is there a new resister that I can swap out to reduce the brightness?
post #124 of 1583
How about something with the above listed features, but similar to what classe has coming out:
http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php4?t=29244

If by now you are wondering where this is going I'll tell you. As some of you may already know Classe' is going to be releasing their second generation processor the SSP-800 but not the SSP-700. The SSP-800 will be it. The SSP-700 was pushed out of the line-up because of the new pricing structure. Instead of the SSP-700 Classe' wants to develop a new high performance digital pre-amplifier.

Essentially all but the L and R channels from the SSP-800 would be removed and then the dollar savings would be reinvested back in to improve performance. Classe' is interested to know how you listen to music because the information would provide some direction in the development of the next pre-amplifier. If you are interested and wiling toI presume that you are referring to a 2-channel digital pre-amplifier. Is that correct?

If so I would like it to combine the functionality of my current 2-channel analogue preamp (which includes phono input), my external DAC, the low pass frequency filter in my subwoofer, and it would allow me to take advantage of the hi-res audio formats that are usually associated with 5.1 systems.

You are correct.

The functionality that you described is exactly what Classe' has in mind. A pre-amplifier that can serve both analog and digital sources. It would provide all the standard connection interfaces and include an RJ45 and HDMI connection, USB not sure but that's what this thread is for to find out what people want. It would also provide internal DACs and all the necessary spatial and bass management features with PEQ capabilities. The product would be geared towards people with needs like yours and for those with more traditional requirements for 2CH stereo.

offer your input Classe' wants to hear it.
post #125 of 1583
Don't even think you can talk about what these amps sound like until you burn them in for at least 400 hours.
These fantastic amps have turned me from tube gear costing 5 times as much (AR, Mac, Marantz etc.) Smooth, detailed, quick leading edge, balanced, NATURAL timbre, never harsh and bass that is the 4000 damping bomb. Great cost, solid build, best features and terrific customer service.
After years of searching, I'm home. Now I just listen and enjoy beautiful music with NOTHING holding me back.
post #126 of 1583
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Originally Posted by zounds View Post

Don't even think you can talk about what these amps sound like until you burn them in for at least 400 hours.
These fantastic amps have turned me from tube gear costing 5 times as much (AR, Mac, Marantz etc.) Smooth, detailed, quick leading edge, balanced, NATURAL timbre, never harsh and bass that is the 4000 damping bomb. Great cost, solid build, best features and terrific customer service.
After years of searching, I'm home. Now I just listen and enjoy beautiful music with NOTHING holding me back.

zounds - interesting, 400 hours. I was at a hi-fi store yesterday, first time for me at this location as it is in a spot not easy to get too. They mostly deal with music (DVD's, SACD', and CD's, with a HUGE emphasis on classical).

Anyway, in their DVD-Audio section, they had a $40 disc (Cdn $'s here) and I should have written the name down. It is designed to 'burn in' your equipment. There are 4 tracks on there. Supposedly each track does different things but at an acclerated rate (as compared to 400 hours) to burn in eletronics (including tubes, ss, transports, amps, prepros, speakers, subwoofers... everything). It even has a short 'warm-up' track on it that you can use to 'cleanse' the system once / week or even every time before you actually put something on.

Anyone heard of this? Like I said, I forgot the name, but I might buy it anyway just for giggles to see how it actually works.
post #127 of 1583
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Originally Posted by zounds View Post

Don't even think you can talk about what these amps sound like until you burn them in for at least 400 hours.
These fantastic amps have turned me from tube gear costing 5 times as much (AR, Mac, Marantz etc.) Smooth, detailed, quick leading edge, balanced, NATURAL timbre, never harsh and bass that is the 4000 damping bomb. Great cost, solid build, best features and terrific customer service.
After years of searching, I'm home. Now I just listen and enjoy beautiful music with NOTHING holding me back.

I see it's your first post. Welcome.

I have to agree with the "NATURAL timber" comment. I really notice it on vocals.
post #128 of 1583
They work ok, but I have a really bright opera CD that seems to work even faster.
post #129 of 1583
Interesting -- 400 hours to break in? -- the number seems to be creeping up. Can someone explain to me what happens over this period that so significantly changes the sound? Does it happen slowly over these hours or is there some critical moment when the break-in starts to become audible?
post #130 of 1583
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Originally Posted by odelacroix View Post

Interesting -- 400 hours to break in? -- the number seems to be creeping up. Can someone explain to me what happens over this period that so significantly changes the sound? Does it happen slowly over these hours or is there some critical moment when the break-in starts to become audible?

I too would like to know what PHYSICALLY changes within the amp at 400 hours to affect the sound. I can understand TV break-in periods, as phosphors do physically age and slightly change how they glow. But for solid state electronics I'm much more skeptical.
post #131 of 1583
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

Some reviewers I've read feel the 1000ASP (500w) module has a more refined top end than the other modules - have you tried reversing the modules or running either of them without bi-amping? And/or using the 500w for the top end and BAT for the bottom end?

Quick reply -- I did check this. I found the 500w modules sound better on top than the 125w, in my quick comparison, providing a smoother, airier treble. Running the 125w on the bass did not work so well. I also ran everything from just two 500w modules (thus utilizing the MC as a regular 2 channel amp). I found this worked better than just inverting the 4 channels (500w on top, 125 on bass) but it's clear to me that using 4 channels on these speakers (VSA VR5) does have real benefits in terms of soundstaging. Hum...sounds like 4 channels of 500w modules might be the real deal here -- and 400 hours of break-in of course
post #132 of 1583
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Originally Posted by yngdiego View Post

I too would like to know what PHYSICALLY changes within the amp at 400 hours to affect the sound. I can understand TV break-in periods, as phosphors do physically age and slightly change how they glow. But for solid state electronics I'm much more skeptical.

I can't see anything but heat affecting any of the components. Heat equals expansion or molecular change. I suppose with the metal components there would be changes in resistance and other basic electrical properties, but they would be minuscule at best. Where the debate is, is whether or not those inevitable changes can become audible. Let's suppose they do, since ICE amps run cooler than conventional then perhaps the time it takes for heat to have a similar sonic impact is increased?

From my own personal observation which is purely subjective, I do believe them to sound better when warmed up too. I just wouldn't bet my house that I'm not imagining it.
post #133 of 1583
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Originally Posted by yngdiego View Post

I too would like to know what PHYSICALLY changes within the amp at 400 hours to affect the sound. I can understand TV break-in periods, as phosphors do physically age and slightly change how they glow. But for solid state electronics I'm much more skeptical.

I shoulda picked up that disc. I will - it states all kinds of stuff on it, demagnitation I believe, and a bunch of other things that I really can't recall now (my memory for that kind of stuff is very short). I don't believe in this per say. I do think something happens, don't get me wrong, I just don't think we can pick it up with our auditory limiations. Maybe a dog can, but I haven't figured out how to teach him to talk yet

I'll still buy it though. Who knows. At worst, I'll 'sound' like I know what I'm talking about
post #134 of 1583
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Originally Posted by odelacroix View Post

Quick reply -- I did check this. I found the 500w modules sound better on top than the 125w, in my quick comparison, providing a smoother, airier treble. Running the 125w on the bass did not work so well. I also ran everything from just two 500w modules (thus utilizing the MC as a regular 2 channel amp). I found this worked better than just inverting the 4 channels (500w on top, 125 on bass) but it's clear to me that using 4 channels on these speakers (VSA VR5) does have real benefits in terms of soundstaging. Hum...sounds like 4 channels of 500w modules might be the real deal here -- and 400 hours of break-in of course

I think Andy Lammer over on Zissous' thread did just that, I think he bought two 7 x 500w D-Sonics (IIRC) .... YIKES
post #135 of 1583
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Originally Posted by Kpt_Krunch View Post

I shoulda picked up that disc. I will - it states all kinds of stuff on it, demagnitation I believe, and a bunch of other things that I really can't recall now (my memory for that kind of stuff is very short). I don't believe in this per say. I do think something happens, don't get me wrong, I just don't thinks we can pick it up with our auditory limiations. Maybe a dog can, but I haven't figured out how to teach him to talk yet

I'll still buy it though. Who knows. At worst, I'll 'sound' like I know what I'm talking about

Please don't; guys that put out that crap shouldn't be rewarded. It's like that company that puts out replacement volume knobs made out of wood saying they improve the sound. Puh-leeeease.
post #136 of 1583
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

Please don't; guys that put out that crap shouldn't be rewarded. It's like that company that puts out replacement volume knobs made out of wood saying they improve the sound. Puh-leeeease.


LOL - I hear ya there!!! Don't get me wrong, I'd buy it to disprove it. Though, I am getting a Tube Amp that needs apparently 300 or so hours of break in to get to it's 'sound'. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, but that's actually what I'll use the disk for to find out (my other stuff is, ah, er, well, broken in already, so I can't tell one way or another ).
post #137 of 1583
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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post

Please don't; guys that put out that crap shouldn't be rewarded. It's like that company that puts out replacement volume knobs made out of wood saying they improve the sound. Puh-leeeease.

+1. Don't reward scammers by buying their products. It'a also like spending $500 on a power cable and their owners claiming vastly improved sound.
post #138 of 1583
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Originally Posted by Kpt_Krunch View Post

zounds - interesting, 400 hours. I was at a hi-fi store yesterday, first time for me at this location as it is in a spot not easy to get too. They mostly deal with music (DVD's, SACD', and CD's, with a HUGE emphasis on classical).

Anyway, in their DVD-Audio section, they had a $40 disc (Cdn $'s here) and I should have written the name down. It is designed to 'burn in' your equipment. There are 4 tracks on there. Supposedly each track does different things but at an acclerated rate (as compared to 400 hours) to burn in eletronics (including tubes, ss, transports, amps, prepros, speakers, subwoofers... everything). It even has a short 'warm-up' track on it that you can use to 'cleanse' the system once / week or even every time before you actually put something on.

Anyone heard of this? Like I said, I forgot the name, but I might buy it anyway just for giggles to see how it actually works.

Was this it, I use it and find it did wonders.

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/isotek/cd.html
post #139 of 1583
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Originally Posted by billatlakegeorge View Post

Was this it, I use it and find it did wonders.

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/isotek/cd.html

You're kidding right?

I get the context of that article to be about a time saver for speaker break in. A speaker is a mechanical device, for the most part anyways, and I imagine the drivers' suspensions might increase in flexibility somewhat so there may be some merit there.

The most telling thing about the article is the pics of the guys' room, other than the rug on the floor that room looks to be an acoustical nightmare. My ears are bleeding just looking at it.
But, I'm sure he can hear the subtle "plum-essence" and "melancholiness" with "oaky overtones" that the burning in did in there.
post #140 of 1583
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Originally Posted by billatlakegeorge View Post

Was this it, I use it and find it did wonders.

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/isotek/cd.html

Nice billa - that was it! $40 cdn here at this store. Didn't buy it, was just reading it a bit. Good job!
post #141 of 1583
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Originally Posted by odelacroix View Post

Interesting -- 400 hours to break in? -- the number seems to be creeping up. Can someone explain to me what happens over this period that so significantly changes the sound? Does it happen slowly over these hours or is there some critical moment when the break-in starts to become audible?

There are a couple of time release capsules under the top of the amp. At exactly 400 hours the capsules break open releasing the "MAGIC DUST" contained within them. As the "MAGIC DUST" settles over the electronics, the sound magically gets much better.
post #142 of 1583
Silly rabbit.....I admit I have been blessed to listen to thousands of dollars of very nice, well married equipment. The system is very detailed and neutral, with life-like timbre. Electronics and speakers need to break in. Right out of the box, the 200s was ultra revealing but overwhelmingly bright. Checked it after 200 hrs. and it was improved. Checked it after 400 hrs. and it was like Jackie Gleason ...mmmmmmmmmmm...that's smooth! These amps are revealing, if your other equipment is bright or incoherent, that is what will be revealed.
post #143 of 1583
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Originally Posted by speedoflight View Post

There are a couple of time release capsules under the top of the amp. At exactly 400 hours the capsules break open releasing the "MAGIC DUST" contained within them. As the "MAGIC DUST" settles over the electronics, the sound magically gets much better.

HAHAHAHHA I was just reciting this to my GF, and SHE nearly wet her pants with laughter !!!!!! (the one who thinks I'm nothing but a rediculus speaker geek) Needless to say this was after I nearly spit my drink at my laptop screen and had to get up to grab a towel to clean it off , she needed to know what all the big deal was...

Thanks for making my night !!!
post #144 of 1583
No magic here.

Personally, I cannot tell a difference between my W4S MC500 amp warm or cold. It sounds excellent all the time, for all types of music and movies. But, for argument sake, I have started to turn my amplifier off after a listening session, which will allow me to listen to a cold amp on my next and future enjoyment.

Mike
post #145 of 1583
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Originally Posted by slybasil View Post

"clip out" Is that perminant fix? Is there a new resister that I can swap out to reduce the brightness?

"Clip out" is a fix to easily remove the dim feature. We have changed the value of the resistor to 20K to "fix" the issue with brightness on future units. I will supply the part for whoever would like to replace it on their unit.

EJ Sarmento
sales@wyred4sound.com
www.wyred4sound.com
post #146 of 1583
i am looking to upgrade from denon 3805 to seperates for my HT. i use the denon with a Musical fidelity A5 powering dali ikon 7's . the center is a dali vocal 2 and 3 surrounds in the ceiling and a rel b1... my room is 26 by 24 x9 with openings and hardwood floor with rug and couches.

would 500 for the fronts be over kill or would 250 be more than sufficient and 125 for the rears with the speakers i have? i know the fronts are all rated for less than 200. i am looking to replace the 3805 and the A5 with a NAD t175 or integra 9.8....with a wyred4sound amp, we are about 60% home theater/games and 40% music
post #147 of 1583
Details on the 2nd edition monoblocks? Let's hear it.
post #148 of 1583
Anything new on W4S 2 channel pre?
post #149 of 1583
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Originally Posted by slybasil View Post

Anything new on W4S 2 channel pre?

We are currently doing some fine tuning on the DAC circuit. At the moment, we haven't decided if we will offer the Pre-amp/DAC combo, or as separates. As soon as the DAC circuit is finished, then we will move to the pre, but the choice we make above would have a great impact on the direction of the pre-amp. Any thoughts?

Thank You,

EJ Sarmento
sales@wyred4sound.com
www.wyred4sound.com
post #150 of 1583
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Originally Posted by WYRED 4 SOUND View Post

We are currently doing some fine tuning on the DAC circuit. At the moment, we haven't decided if we will offer the Pre-amp/DAC combo, or as separates. As soon as the DAC circuit is finished, then we will move to the pre, but the choice we make above would have a great impact on the direction of the pre-amp. Any thoughts?

Thank You,

EJ Sarmento
sales@wyred4sound.com
www.wyred4sound.com

I wish I was more tech wise to have any thoughts . I am not sure how stand alone DAC works into the sytem. Or how it works integrated with the pre. Where does a stand alone DAC link up in the chain?

If you have a multi channel pre/pro and want to improve the 2channel music how would either seperate or integrated DAC's work?....pro's/cons.

Perhaps there are others here with more knowledge who can give there reason for going one way or the other.
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