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post #1291 of 1583
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Originally Posted by geekhd View Post

Your B&W 801 does have some difficult load between 50Hz to 1.2KHz.


Parasound 2125 or 2250 amps will do fine for less money than W4S ST-1000.

For the 801!?! Borderline irresponsible recommendation, IMO.

I would (and have) put my Wyred amps up against any amplifier from Parasound. I respect their products, but there is just no comparison for me. B&W speakers demand a lot from the amps, and the ICE topology is ideally suited to deliver into any load.
post #1292 of 1583
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Originally Posted by tdr1975 View Post
Hi,
I'm in the UK and would love to buy a W4S amp, but I'm concerned it might not be sensible to do so.
What happens when the warranty runs out and the amp breaks down - wouldn't I need to send it to the US, which is very expensive for such a heavy item and which would leave me without an amp for months.
Do people have any thoughts on this?
Thanks,
Tom
The ICE modules are pretty much bulletproof. They were actually designed for powered speakers in concert & venue P A systems and by spec they can handle enormous G force without issue. Shipping would be a pain, but really for the quality you get for your money it would be a minor inconvenience at best. Wyred is pretty communicative I wouldn't be surprised if they couldn't ship parts and authorize a repair shop in your area to do the work if need be.

I've had over 15 different ICE modules through my rig and no issue, my current amp is about six years old and hasn't broken a sweat. (A PS Audio unit modded by Wyred) I've also seen a competitor offer a 10 year warrantee on their ICE amp, which to me seems to indicate their reliability. (They don't do multi-channel and don't add input stages.)
post #1293 of 1583
+1 and one additional comment: If you ever had to ship a W4S amp they are relatively light compared to most other amps (especially ubiquitous class A/B amps) of similar power output.

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Originally Posted by rnrgagne View Post
The ICE modules are pretty much bulletproof. They were actually designed for powered speakers in concert & venue P A systems and by spec they can handle enormous G force without issue. Shipping would be a pain, but really for the quality you get for your money it would be a minor inconvenience at best. Wyred is pretty communicative I wouldn't be surprised if they couldn't ship parts and authorize a repair shop in your area to do the work if need be.

I've had over 15 different ICE modules through my rig and no issue, my current amp is about six years old and hasn't broken a sweat. (A PS Audio unit modded by Wyred) I've also seen a competitor offer a 10 year warrantee on their ICE amp, which to me seems to indicate their reliability. (They don't do multi-channel and don't add input stages.)
post #1294 of 1583
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Originally Posted by pbc View Post

I sent an email, though, looking at their manual it states in there that "due to the smaller chassis" the Mini will get hotter than their larger models. I gave it more space and now it just gets very warm, versus very, very hot ...

Hello... I was following your posts on the MMC 7 and the heat issues you were experiencing and was wondering if you could give an expanded update. I am very interested in purchasing a Wyred4Sound amp but can't decide on the MMC7 or the big brother MC version. If heat is a real concern with the MMC then the MC is where I want to go but your last comments about giving the amp more ventilation and that it was not as hot as before caught my attention. I have spoken to Wyred4Sound and Underwood and both say the MMC's get very warm and your comments seemed to confirm this, BUT, HomeTheaterShack.com just did an excellent review in the MMC 7 and he claimed that after 8 hours of "a fairly high volume" that the amp was only warm to the touch. So I am trying figure out just how bad the heat issue is. Can you give us an update please and maybe anything else you can share about this amp? There is so little info out there right now.

Thanks,
Greg
post #1295 of 1583
Anybody with an MMC care to comment on how warm they get and how much ventilation they need?
post #1296 of 1583
How does Wyred's multichannel and mini multichannel work with Magnepans? What power module should I look at? Sound quality is important, not just raw power

And any comparisons with Parasound A51, Anthem A5/P5, Outlaw's big 7 ch amp, or comparable 5/7 channel amps that won't break the bank.

I have Maggie 3.6's for fronts, MC1's & CC3 for HT use.

Also, I'm a bit concerned about the input sensitivity on the big power ones.

Here's what I have for my current preamp section output:

For Pre out : output impedance is 490ohm
Output level for -20dBFs input , 0dB VR position => 150mV
-20dBFs input , +12dB VR Position(MAX) => 600mV
0dBFs input, 0dB VR position => 1.5V

Any help I'd appreciate. I'm in the tire-kicking stage now.
post #1297 of 1583
There is a review of the mini multichannel amp here
post #1298 of 1583
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Originally Posted by McLuvin View Post

Anybody with an MMC care to comment on how warm they get and how much ventilation they need?

Hello everybody

I bought one (a mini MC 7 ch) !!
Have it since last weekend and it's !!
On Sunday, after a whole afternoon running on stereo, it was warm, not hot.
You can easily put your hand on it.
Just for information, I have other element put directly on it... (not a lot of place)

Also by the way, the sound is great to my ear
post #1299 of 1583
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Originally Posted by PEM75 View Post

Hello everybody

I bought one (a mini MC 7 ch) !!
Have it since last weekend and it's !!
On Sunday, after a whole afternoon running on stereo, it was warm, not hot.
You can easily put your hand on it.
Just for information, I have other element put directly on it... (not a lot of place)

Also by the way, the sound is great to my ear

Hi PEM75,

Thanks so much for some info. Can you elaborate on what you have laying on top of it? I am really torn at the moment between the MMC 7 and the big brother MC configured with 6 channels. I love the compact size of the MMC though! What processor are you using for home theater?

Greg
post #1300 of 1583
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Originally Posted by McLuvin View Post

Hi PEM75,

Thanks so much for some info. Can you elaborate on what you have laying on top of it? I am really torn at the moment between the MMC 7 and the big brother MC configured with 6 channels. I love the compact size of the MMC though! What processor are you using for home theater?

Greg

Well actually on the top of it, there is, in the correct order a Digital Box (for cable TV), after a PS3 Slim and finaly a NetGear NTV 550 .....
As HC Preamp, I use a Marantz SR7005 and as hifi Preamp a DAC2 bought with the MMC (the front speaker from the SR7005 use the DAC2 Bypass input).

I'll use 4 channels for the front speakers (bi-amp them).... Not done yet, because I still don't receive my Y cable to connect from DAC2 to MMC.
post #1301 of 1583
^^^

i would find a better way to arrange my components... you are simply asking to kill your ps3 that way...
post #1302 of 1583
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

i would find a better way to arrange my components... you are simply asking to kill your ps3 that way...

Maybe, but I don't have place so no other choice......
the PS3 is not directly on the MMC....
the WAF is not very high all my element should be in the AV furniture..... but it is an open furniture.....
post #1303 of 1583
Well, I did it... just pulled the trigger and ordered one of these. Will post my experience once I get it.

Greg
post #1304 of 1583
^^

When you get it setup & running, I'd be very interested in how it compares to your present amp/receiver. Power spec comparison, brand, and speakers you use would be helpful.

Thanks!
post #1305 of 1583
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

^^

When you get it setup & running, I'd be very interested in how it compares to your present amp/receiver. Power spec comparison, brand, and speakers you use would be helpful.

Thanks!

I certainly will Steve! I also just purchased an Integra 80.2 so I have a lot to play with once the amp shows up. I just got notification that UPS will have the amp here next Tuesday. I will also run the thing 100 hours before giving my opinion as everything I have read seems to point to a proper break-in prior to critical listening.

Greg
post #1306 of 1583
I'm about to order a MMC-5 or 7 also, I'll be awaiting your impressions.
post #1307 of 1583
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Originally Posted by McLuvin View Post
I certainly will Steve! I also just purchased an Integra 80.2 so I have a lot to play with once the amp shows up. I just got notification that UPS will have the amp here next Tuesday. I will also run the thing 100 hours before giving my opinion as everything I have read seems to point to a proper break-in prior to critical listening.

Greg
Hello !!

Any news ?
Did you received it ?
post #1308 of 1583
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Originally Posted by PEM75 View Post
Hello !!

Any news ?
Did you received it ?
Yes I did! Sorry for the delay in getting back but I haven't forgotten to update you guys. The first unit I got failed a channel after the first few days of break-in so I had to get another unit sent out and go through the whole process again. I will post all of my experiences along with pics here shortly.

Thanks!
Greg
post #1309 of 1583
I just ordered one today, I hope to have it by the end of next week or so.
post #1310 of 1583
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Originally Posted by McLuvin View Post

Yes I did! Sorry for the delay in getting back but I haven't forgotten to update you guys. The first unit I got failed a channel after the first few days of break-in so I had to get another unit sent out and go through the whole process again. I will post all of my experiences along with pics here shortly.

Thanks!
Greg

Bad luck for the first unit :-(
Hope you'll now be as happy as I am .....

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Originally Posted by Face2 View Post

I just ordered one today, I hope to have it by the end of next week or so.

Great Choice hope you also enjoy it.

Me, I now have my Y cable so I bi-amp my front speaker....
I really enjoy the sound quality it is really really great !

Sorry it is difficult for me to describe more my feeling in english , but to be clear, I have absolutely no regret about my purchase (with the DAC2).
It really improve my sound system.
post #1311 of 1583
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Originally Posted by PEM75 View Post

Sorry it is difficult for me to describe more my feeling in english , but to be clear, I have absolutely no regret about my purchase (with the DAC2).
It really improve my sound system.

I'm also using a DAC-2 in the same rig, I'm very happy with it too. Although, the mains will be powered by a STI-500 though(since I already have one), the center and surrounds will be powered by the Mini-MC.
post #1312 of 1583
I wonder if anyone tried both Audiolab 8200CDQ and Wyred 4 Sound DAC2 ? I was initially looking for a DAC to play my digital files but realized that I can do the same with the 8200CDQ but with the convenient of a CD player on it. However, I do not have any chance to audit and wonder how does the 8200CDQ sounds compare to the W4S DAC2 ?
post #1313 of 1583
Would a w4s amp like a 250 work with nuforce icon 2 dac/amp as pre to speakers. And maybe sub later
post #1314 of 1583
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Originally Posted by ricchng View Post

I wonder if anyone tried both Audiolab 8200CDQ and Wyred 4 Sound DAC2 ? I was initially looking for a DAC to play my digital files but realized that I can do the same with the 8200CDQ but with the convenient of a CD player on it. However, I do not have any chance to audit and wonder how does the 8200CDQ sounds compare to the W4S DAC2 ?

IMHO the Sabre32 implementations sound more alike than they are different.

A part of it is because unlike say BB DACs, where you have more external components to mix and match, more components are already built into the box.

My father in law swapped out his DAC2 for the 8200CDQ IMHO with no real difference in SQ on CD playback. The reason we swapped was that his old Rotel CDP that was being used as a transport to the DAC2 was getting a bit flaky and he wanted more analog inputs for his tuner etc

Price wise where I live, the 8200CDQ is abt US$500 cheaper than the DAC2.

You get CDP but lose the AES, I2S and async USB support (things which he never used).

One new alternative is the Calyx DAC also using the Sabre32 chipset. Quite highly rated, esp if you use a good PSU like a Kingrex.

I am currently borrowing the DAC2 with my ICEBox MC 6x250W/8ohms to drive my Thiel Powerpoint until my new house is ready
post #1315 of 1583
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Originally Posted by vandertoorn View Post

Would a w4s amp like a 250 work with nuforce icon 2 dac/amp as pre to speakers. And maybe sub later

If the Icon2 has pre-outs, there should be no reason why not.

The W4S ICEBox has a W4S designed input buffer which allows it to work with preamps with different impedance loading.

Hmm it looks like the Icon2 doesn;t have a pre out.

But the HDP is closer to what you need
http://www.nuforce.com/hp/products/iconhdp/index.php
post #1316 of 1583
Yeah i'm confused it states on web page it can be used as pre amp. But I'll have to wait until it arrives. Maybe it will run my era d 4 but a little worried. Thanks woof.
post #1317 of 1583
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Originally Posted by vandertoorn View Post

Yeah i'm confused it states on web page it can be used as pre amp. But I'll have to wait until it arrives. Maybe it will run my era d 4 but a little worried. Thanks woof.

It can only be used as a preamp via the single rear line output jack. (often used to send signal to a sub)

The ICON HDP is a better choice for use as a preamp.
post #1318 of 1583
Ahh! Does the single line limit the sound quality? I might be better of finding a easier driven compact bookshelve and small sub and be happy. My computer room is only 10 by 10.
post #1319 of 1583
Anyone hear anymore on when or if Wyred will be releasing their reference series amps? Seems like that was talked about a year or two ago.
post #1320 of 1583
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Originally Posted by JRSUB View Post

Anyone hear anymore on when or if Wyred will be releasing their reference series amps? Seems like that was talked about a year or two ago.

I have asked that Question a couple of times in the last year, and I have got little response.
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