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post #1561 of 1583
I would consider the mAmp vs the SX500/ST500. The mAmp uses the new third gen ICEpower modules
post #1562 of 1583

Doesn't the mINT utilize the same generation (just less powerful) ICE modules as the mAmp?

post #1563 of 1583
Yes but even in the same generation, there can be differences. I remember listening to the Bel Canto M300s and they were pretty dismal compared to the REF1000s of that generation.

I think the mint has been quite highly rated but having heard the mAmp, it's the one I'd go for.
post #1564 of 1583
Ok, I have been doing searching for this but still have not found an answer and this is as good a place as any to ask it.

Does a Class D amp convert the signal to 0s and 1s to amplify the signal at all? Or is it generally a mistake when people call these "Digital" amps?

I understand that they are switching amplifiers and that they basically work by switching a pair of transistors on/of very quickly to control the cones of the speaker but I dont understand what is telling the transistors to turn on/off....

is there some sort of clock in the amp that controls it but doesnt convert the signal into 0s and 1s?
post #1565 of 1583
They're mistaken, Class D amps such as Wyred, etc...are not digital.
post #1566 of 1583
Kimeran I'm sure I answered this just a week or so ago. In this thread.

Class D work using pulse width modulation which can appear like a sigma delta signal but the output is analog like with class A B C amps.

There are some Class D amps which are sometimes called Digital amps because they include a DAC that feeds the Class D amp directly. These include the NAD digital amps, the Devialet and the new Bel Canto Black series.
post #1567 of 1583
Yea you did, I apologize. It's been a very long couple of weeks. I'm going on little sleep with no break in two weeks.


Now that I have thoroughly embarrassed myself, I will be going to bed.
post #1568 of 1583
Couple o pics of my wyred system. Love it. DAC2dsdSE, ST1000 mkii

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post #1569 of 1583
Nice Set up Jax,

Anyone compared the W4S offerings to the Hypex NCore modules?
post #1570 of 1583
Cheating on the Dyn forum I see, Jax... tongue.gif
post #1571 of 1583
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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

I had the ST500 but I found the 3rd gen modules in the mAmp much better. Well worth topping up for the new 3rd gen monos

The DAC2 I had was a decent preamp but it is highly limited if you have analog components.

 

Do you think the mPre+mAmps combination results in a better sound than the STI-500? I'm just asking as I already have a high-end DAC and don't need the one in the mPre.

post #1572 of 1583
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Originally Posted by didge70 View Post

Do you think the mPre+mAmps combination results in a better sound than the STI-500? I'm just asking as I already have a high-end DAC and don't need the one in the mPre.

I don't know. I've never heard the mPre. I've noticed that unless the DAC uses a good (IMHO usually analog) volume control, I usually prefer a good pre-amp in the equation.
post #1573 of 1583
I have the STP SE Pre and mAmps. The STP replaced a VTL 6.5Sig that cost 5x more. Great synergies with the mAMPS.

Do note - the mAMPS are actually fairly laid back - close to the Bel Canto sound. Seem to be voiced more like tube amps. The W4S pres are very bright, which compliments them well. I've used the STPSE with other solid state amps (Bryston and Levinson) - and it isn't usually a great fit - system sounds a bit edgy.

Just my .02. I'm using Vienna Kiss speakers.
post #1574 of 1583
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Originally Posted by machined View Post

I have the STP SE Pre and mAmps. The STP replaced a VTL 6.5Sig that cost 5x more. Great synergies with the mAMPS.

Do note - the mAMPS are actually fairly laid back - close to the Bel Canto sound. Seem to be voiced more like tube amps. The W4S pres are very bright, which compliments them well. I've used the STPSE with other solid state amps (Bryston and Levinson) - and it isn't usually a great fit - system sounds a bit edgy.

Just my .02. I'm using Vienna Kiss speakers.

this is all correct!

nice post.
post #1575 of 1583
Class D goodness!


Schusetup


believe me, I catch shyte all the time by the klpsch boys, but in analog playback with the tube pre amp, I could not be happier.
post #1576 of 1583
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Originally Posted by machined View Post

I have the STP SE Pre and mAmps. The STP replaced a VTL 6.5Sig that cost 5x more. Great synergies with the mAMPS.

Do note - the mAMPS are actually fairly laid back - close to the Bel Canto sound. Seem to be voiced more like tube amps. The W4S pres are very bright, which compliments them well. I've used the STPSE with other solid state amps (Bryston and Levinson) - and it isn't usually a great fit - system sounds a bit edgy.

Just my .02. I'm using Vienna Kiss speakers.

The STP sounding bright is a surprise given that the reviews call it very neutral. Bryston is the brighter suspect here?
post #1577 of 1583
Could someone with more knowledge of the W4S lineup enlighten me a little on the differences between the MMC5 and the MC7150. I realize the differences in the number of channels, but what are the differences with the parts used between these. A few pages back, I read where the new MC7150 is only a 60w/c amp in reality? I'm confused. The specs I noticed where only listed for 2 channels driven, not exactly what I was expecting when looking at the specs.

So does this MC7150 use a different module than the MMC5's?

TIA
post #1578 of 1583
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Originally Posted by Randyman View Post

Could someone with more knowledge of the W4S lineup enlighten me a little on the differences between the MMC5 and the MC7150. I realize the differences in the number of channels, but what are the differences with the parts used between these. A few pages back, I read where the new MC7150 is only a 60w/c amp in reality? I'm confused. The specs I noticed where only listed for 2 channels driven, not exactly what I was expecting when looking at the specs.

So does this MC7150 use a different module than the MMC5's?

TIA

I'm not an expert on W4S but from what I can gather, the MMC use individual power modules. That's how you can have 3-7 channels in the same chassis. W4S markets them as "multi" mono.

The MC7150 uses a single board. I suspect it was the same one that SVS was planning to use a couple of years ago but it was never produced for shipping IIRC.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/svsound/24514-svs-7-channel-amp-ces.html



It might be the same one that Pioneer used in their flagship ICEpowered AVRs.
post #1579 of 1583
So this amp is really 4 year old technology just put into a new chassis? Nothing new like the Pioneer class D receivers?
Edited by Randyman - 1/19/14 at 10:08pm
post #1580 of 1583
I think some reviewers claim the old Pioneer ICEpowered AVRs sound better than their newer range.

As for the age, I think B&O put it on their website not that long ago. Maybe a year or two?

http://www.icepower.bang-olufsen.com/en/solutions/theater/
post #1581 of 1583
I prefer the older Ice based Pioneers myself...
post #1582 of 1583
Question on cabling W4S mPRE to sub. I've just hooked up a Anthony Gallo's TR-3D to the RCA out using a pair of UltraLink Caliber sub cables. Now this is its inaugural evening running but I'm finding the sub sounds mushy, not clear at all. Certainly break in is required and some fine adjustments for cross over point, but expectations were considerably higher.

I have a couple of mAMPS coming later this week (hopefully tomorrow) and these will be XLR'd from the mPRE, placed close to a pair of Anthony Gallo Strada 2. (Currently the mPRE is driving a pair of FOCAL Twin6Be active monitors and sound quality is excellent, spatially beautiful, neutral, dynamic). Hopefully the Strada 2's with the mAMP's will be comparable.

Anyways the question is, is anyone driving a powered sub from the RCA out on the mPRE and if so, what cable have you found to be the best for this application?

Jim

Current config:

JRiver 19 --> USB --> mPRE --> XLR --> FOCAL Twin6Be monitors
--> RCA --> AG TR-3D sub

new config:

JRiver 19 --> USB --> mPRE --> XLR --> mAMP --> AG Strada 2
--> RCA --> AG TR-3D sub
post #1583 of 1583
Awesome!

Start at the beginning. I've done pro-audio for a number of years (recently moving from recording small venues to just listening to playback) with a RME audio interface 800 driving a couple of Focal Twin6Be monitors. Well, after being a serious workhorse and recording/playback of the worst and best I've ever produced the RME finally gave it up. The search went out for an acceptable DAC/PreAmp for strictly playback of many gigabytes of both commercial and private recordings. Happened on to the mPRE from Wyred4Sound and thought I gave it a try. Where the RME was a truly honest device that only knew to record and playback exactly what was presented (warts and all), the mPRE introduced me to a warm almost sensual tube like playback through the Focals. I really liked this new format and I've grown to truly appreciate what the good folks at W4S built.

Recently I was a lucky contestant winning 2nd prize at Anthony Gallo's draw on speakers. Having a couple of AG's Reference 3.1's, I was very familiar with what AG had going for them. Well, I asked and was granted an opportunity for a few bucks more to upgrade to a couple of Strada 2's with an accompanying TR-3D sub. Thus the search went out as I would have to get amp(s) to drive these new mains. I knew I needed something good, clean and powerful if the Strada's were anything like the 3.1's. I wanted mono's for several reasons. Well I've spent some serious time checking out way to many amps from 20 year old Pass Labs to new Naims, Redgum, Classe, and so on. I thought I had made my mind up several times but just didn't make the buy. Last week sitting doing work on the computer, playing back some favorites, I took a break and cranked up the mPRE and sat back and was pleased as punch on how the mPRE had become my reference pre. I put a letter together and off to Clint at W4S discussing my needs and he (as usual) responded quickly suggesting the mAMPS may be what I was looking for.

Well an order was place and the amps arrived today. Within a 1/2 hour I had them plugged in and with the new Strada's they are now starting their break in period and already just out of the box the config, I'm a happy camper with what I am hearing.

I look forward to seeing where this system ends up after the break in, but the start is already seriously impressed me. Some serious synergy taking place here.

Thank you W4S. The mPRE, mAMP and AG's Strada 2's/TR-3D are an excellent combination.

Jim
Edited by PenThis - 1/23/14 at 9:52pm
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